I'm sorry if this is (somewhat, or even completely) off-topic, but there don't seem to be any newsgroups (*publish* or *text*) that that seem more appropriate.

If you go to <https://prino.neocities.org/www/Anhalterwesen_und_Anhaltergefahren.html#fr01> and click on the "1)" link you will go to the footnote-converted-to-endnote, and
from there the "up-arrow" takes you back, and back means just the line containing the "1)", for me showing just "begreift.1)"

What is your opinion about changing the refer-back link to the start of the paragraph containing the actual link to the foot-/endnote. For me it would seem a bit more logical, on paper both would be on the same page, so the original context would be in view.

Note that the conversion of footnotes to end-notes is still a WIP!

Any other remarks about the formatting, whether positive or negative, would also
be appreciated, and any suggestions as to how to get rid of the vast amount of "pem" attributes on some tables would be most welcome, I tried to define additional combined selectors, but to no avail, and I haven't got a clue (at all/any more) as to why I ever used "table, td" in the first place.

Robert
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Robert Prins wrote:

If you go to <https://prino.neocities.org/www/Anhalterwesen_und_Anhaltergefahren.html#fr01>
and click on the "1)" link you will go to the
footnote-converted-to-endnote, and from there the "up-arrow" takes you
back, and back means just the line containing the "1)", for me showing
just "begreift.1)"

This corresponds to endnote linking in Wikipedia, except that here the
backward link symbol (arrow) is small and difficult to notice. I’d
suggest a symbol that is at least as visible as in Wikipedia.

What is your opinion about changing the refer-back link to the start of
the paragraph containing the actual link to the foot-/endnote. For me it would seem a bit more logical, on paper both would be on the same page,
so the original context would be in view.

That would indeed be often more useful. However, the Wikipedia structure
has a point, too, especially in contexts where we, and still less a
program creating the links automatically, cannot know the exact scope of
text to be referred to. A footnote reference may relate to a single
word, or a clause, or a sentence, or a few sentences, or even an entire paragraph.

In any case, I would not link to the start of a paragraph, or some other
piece of text, but to an entire element, such as a <p> element, which
would need to have an id attribute. (This might even make it possible to highlight it dynamically after “jumping back” to it.)

In the case of the material you are dealing with, I don’t think one
could reliably infer the intentions of its authors for each footnote
reference. The only solid thing here is the footnote reference itself;
it is up to the reader (of the original document, or of any digital
version) to deduce or guess what is the piece of the document that the
footnote relates to.

Yucca, http://jkorpela.fi

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On 2021-02-08 13:37, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

Robert Prins wrote:

If you go to
<https://prino.neocities.org/www/Anhalterwesen_und_Anhaltergefahren.html#fr01>
and click on the "1)" link you will go to the footnote-converted-to-endnote, >> and from there the "up-arrow" takes you back, and back means just the line >> containing the "1)", for me showing just "begreift.1)"

This corresponds to endnote linking in Wikipedia, except that here the backward
link symbol (arrow) is small and difficult to notice. I’d suggest a symbol that
is at least as visible as in Wikipedia.

I've changed them to a bold ^ sign, the arrows ware indeed a bit invisible.

What is your opinion about changing the refer-back link to the start of the >> paragraph containing the actual link to the foot-/endnote. For me it would >> seem a bit more logical, on paper both would be on the same page, so the
original context would be in view.

That would indeed be often more useful. However, the Wikipedia structure has a
point, too, especially in contexts where we, and still less a program creating
the links automatically, cannot know the exact scope of text to be referred to.
A footnote reference may relate to a single word, or a clause, or a sentence, or
a few sentences, or even an entire paragraph.

In any case, I would not link to the start of a paragraph, or some other piece
of text, but to an entire element, such as a <p> element, which would need to have an id attribute. (This might even make it possible to highlight it dynamically after “jumping back” to it.

How would you do that?

In the case of the material you are dealing with, I don’t think one could reliably infer the intentions of its authors for each footnote reference. The only solid thing here is the footnote reference itself; it is up to the reader
(of the original document, or of any digital version) to deduce or guess what is
the piece of the document that the footnote relates to.

I'll probably have to do it on a case-by-case basis as some of them, e.g. 15) and 16) point to sentences in the same paragraph, in which case I'd have to <span-and-id> those sentences.

Anyway first still have to move 70 more footnotes, and some 60 pages of Appendices.

Although? I'm not sure as to how useful the questionnaires would be, unless someone would like to use them as a base for a new study, which is somewhat, or even highly, unlikely, given that, even before the Covid-19 brown stuff hit the fan, the number of hitchhikers had gone down by significant numbers, compared to
the late 20th century. Ditto for the pictures of the public transport maps...

Robert
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Robert Prins wrote:

On 2021-02-08 13:37, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

[...]

In any case, I would not link to the start of a paragraph, or some
other piece of text, but to an entire element, such as a <p> element,
which would need to have an id attribute. (This might even make it
possible to highlight it dynamically after “jumping back” to it.

How would you do that?

Using the :target pseudo-class. At the simplest, you could use it to
highlight the destination of any link after the link has been followed, e.g.

:target {
background: yellow;
outline: solid thin red;
}

(using rather strong highlighting here, for clarity); demo: http://jkorpela.fi/test/target.html

However, if you use such code with a document with undisciplined use of
markup for targets, you may get odd, disturbing, and even misleading highlighting. For example, old documents may use <a name=foo></a> with
empty content, or something like <p><a name=bar>This</a> is
something...</p> even when the entire paragraph is what is really linked
to, as opposite to its first word. To avoid this, you might wish to use
a more specific selector than just :target.

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On 08/02/2021 17:19, Robert Prins wrote:

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Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:20:40 -0000 (UTC)

Can you fix your clock.  You posted at 15:20:40 but it shows as 17:19:xx

So clearly you are two hours ahead of the entire world.  Don't tell me
you are in Europe so the time difference because computers are very
smart to adjest the time for users in other time zones.

Korpella replied before you asked the question.  This can't be right!!.


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On 2021-02-09 12:46, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

Robert Prins wrote:

On 2021-02-08 13:37, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

[...]

In any case, I would not link to the start of a paragraph, or some other
piece of text, but to an entire element, such as a <p> element, which would
need to have an id attribute. (This might even make it possible to highlight
it dynamically after “jumping back” to it.

How would you do that?

Using the :target pseudo-class. At the simplest, you could use it to highlight
the destination of any link after the link has been followed, e.g.

:target {
background: yellow;
outline: solid thin red;
}

(using rather strong highlighting here, for clarity); demo: http://jkorpela.fi/test/target.html

However, if you use such code with a document with undisciplined use of markup for targets, you may get odd, disturbing, and even misleading highlighting. For example, old documents may use <a name=foo></a> with empty content, or something like <p><a name=bar>This</a> is something...</p> even when the entire paragraph is what is really linked to, as opposite to its first word. To avoid this, you might wish to use a more specific selector than just :target.

I will think about this, RSN... ;)

Robert
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