• Re: Japanese Windows usage hint for non-Japanese

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Mark Crispin on Mon Mar 4 15:58:32 2024
    XPost: sci.lang

    On 5/2/2006 1:58 PM, Mark Crispin wrote:
    I just discovered something about Japanese Windows that may be useful to
    pass on to other non-Japanese who use Japanese software on Windows.

    Even though my laptop (a Victor MP-XP741) is a proper Japanese PC with Japanese Windows as the OS, I had problems with some Japanese software displaying characters correctly. Most software had no problem.

    However, some texts of Norton Anti-Virus, 携快電話, and WinDVD
    would display as a string of "?" or other incorrect characters. It was
    only some texts, not all texts in the application. I suffered with this problem for over a year before I finally discovered the cause.

    When a person uses a foreign Windows PC, he will usually use the Regional
    and Language Options (地域と言語のオプション) control panel to be in his native language environment.

    One of these areas in this control panel is Standards and Formats (標準と形式), which set the way that numbers, currency, dates,
    and the time are displayed. For convenience, there is drop-down menu
    of languages that will set all of these at once to the form preferred
    in that language. Not surprisingly, I changed this from 日本語
    to 英語(米国)on my laptop.

    This was the cause of the problem. Apparently, some buggy text output routines use the "language" in Standards and Formats to set the script
    for text to be output. This is completely wrong; software should always output text in the script of that text. It certainly should not use a convenience dropdown in Standards and Formats for that purpose!

    The solution, for a gaijin using a Japanese Windows PC, is NOT to set
    the language in 標準と形式 to his native language. Instead, leave
    it set as 日本語, and then use the クスタマイズ button to
    change each of the various standards and formats individually to the
    form that is preferred in his native language.


    By the way, in multi-lingual versions of Windows, there is a setting,
    under Language (言語) in the Regional and Language Options (地域と言語のオプション) control panel, to set the language for menus and dialog. That is the correct way to set the language in a multi-lingual environment.

    Single-language versions do not have this option; I don't think
    that Japanese Windows exists except as a single-language version.
    However, English Windows with a language pack adds it.

    -- Mark --

    http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
    Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum.


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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 00:11:08 2024
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    On 5/2/2006, Mark Crispin wrote:
    I just discovered something about Japanese Windows that may be useful to
    pass on to other non-Japanese who use Japanese software on Windows.

    Even though my laptop (a Victor MP-XP741) is a proper Japanese PC with
    Japanese Windows as the OS, I had problems with some Japanese software
    displaying characters correctly. Most software had no problem.

    However, some texts of Norton Anti-Virus, 携快電話, and WinDVD
    would display as a string of "?" or other incorrect characters.



    Did he visit Japan often?

    Did he study Japanese?


    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bishoujo


    1989 September 23, Mark Crispin, “bringing stuff into the US from Japan”, in soc.culture.japan (Usenet):

    If you are into bishojo, loli-con, or bishonen materials, be advised that customs *does* frown on what might be considered pornography.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 21:59:18 2024
    XPost: sci.lang

    On 5/2/2006, Mark Crispin wrote:
    I just discovered something about Japanese Windows that may be useful to >>> pass on to other non-Japanese who use Japanese software on Windows.

    Even though my laptop (a Victor MP-XP741) is a proper Japanese PC with
    Japanese Windows as the OS, I had problems with some Japanese software
    displaying characters correctly. Most software had no problem.

    However, some texts of Norton Anti-Virus, 携快電話, and WinDVD
    would display as a string of "?" or other incorrect characters.



    Did he visit Japan often? Did he study Japanese?


    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bishoujo

    1989 September 23, Mark Crispin, “bringing stuff into the US from Japan”, in soc.culture.japan (Usenet):

    If you are into bishojo, loli-con, or bishonen materials, be advised that customs *does* frown on what might be considered pornography.




    He must have studied Jp....


    _____________________________how to say "will you marry me?" in Japanese?

    Mark Crispin

    On 2 Jun 1996, Ming Pan wrote: > just curious about how to say that to a Japanese girl.

    Most simply:
    kekkon-shite kureru?
    = marry-doing give-to-me?

    Here's a traditional, somewhat romantic one:

    cho^shoku no miso-shiru wo tsukutte kureru?
    = morning-meal's miso soup <object> making give-to-me?
    = Will you make my breakfast miso soup?

    [Beware, some smart-alek girls have been known to plop down a bowl of miso
    soup the next morning in answer to this particular invitation.]

    -- Mark --

    DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 842-0758 ICBM: N 47.36'24" W 122.34'08" TOPS-20: A Great Improvement Over Its Successors

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  • From Tilde@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Tue Mar 5 22:18:48 2024
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    HenHanna wrote:

    On 5/2/2006 1:58 PM, Mark Crispin wrote:
    I just discovered something about Japanese Windows that may be useful to
    pass on to other non-Japanese who use Japanese software on Windows.


          ---------- Is this a problem  encountered by others???

    Um, huh? That post is from 2006. Not sure of what you're
    asking.

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