• Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator

    From Andreas Kohlbach@21:1/5 to where an article on Fri Mar 18 16:28:35 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
    on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
    where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
    | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
    | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
    emulated itself.
    --
    Andreas

    I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
    as I have to reboot my computer.

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  • From frank@21:1/5 to Andreas Kohlbach on Fri Mar 18 21:05:43 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    In comp.sys.cbm Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or emulated itself.

    I rember a spectrum emulator for sure on my C64. It was slow and probably
    the emulation was not complete or perfect. I used a few times to run
    some spectrum basic programs (from what I can remember of something happening 30 years ago).
    If you are really patient, I might find the right floppy disk where it is recorded (one day and if luck happens).

    Regards
    Frank IZ8DWF

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net on Sat Mar 19 13:04:26 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
    on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address) where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
    | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
    | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
    ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
    another question.

    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
    C64 to work.

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Mar 19 16:23:32 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:

    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
    on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
    where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
    | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
    | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
    Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
    emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
    emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
    ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is another question.

    Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
    is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.

    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
    C64 to work.

    The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
    magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.
    --
    Andreas

    I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
    as I have to reboot my computer.

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@21:1/5 to frank on Sat Mar 19 16:24:00 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    frank wrote on 18. March 2016:

    In comp.sys.cbm Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
    emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
    emulated itself.

    I rember a spectrum emulator for sure on my C64. It was slow and probably
    the emulation was not complete or perfect. I used a few times to run
    some spectrum basic programs (from what I can remember of something happening 30 years ago).
    If you are really patient, I might find the right floppy disk where it is recorded (one day and if luck happens).

    Not really that important. If by chance it crosses your path though it'll
    be nice. :-)

    Thanks. Also To Chris.
    --
    Andreas

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    as I have to reboot my computer.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net on Sun Mar 20 09:01:06 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
    Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF >> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address) >> where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
    | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum >> | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a >> Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum >> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
    emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
    ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is another question.

    Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
    is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.

    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
    C64 to work.

    The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
    magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.

    Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
    crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

    Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
    emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
    computer.

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  • From Clocky@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Mar 20 07:36:49 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    On 20/03/2016 5:01 AM, Your Name wrote:
    In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
    Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
    <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF >>>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address) >>>> where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for >>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum >>>> | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a >>>> Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I >>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum >>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or >>>> emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
    ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
    another question.

    Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
    is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.

    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
    C64 to work.

    The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
    magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.

    Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
    crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

    Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
    emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
    computer.


    Their stupidity was fully realised the day they chose an Apple product
    in the first place...

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  • From Robert Roland@21:1/5 to march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net on Sat Mar 19 22:54:58 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 16:24:00 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    Not really that important. If by chance it crosses your path though it'll
    be nice. :-)

    Not sure it is what you are looking for, but I found this:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4olweuvsaanknw/spectrum.zip?dl=0

    --
    RoRo

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to notgonna@happen.com on Sun Mar 20 15:17:37 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    In article <56edfe76$0$1513$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

    Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.

    I can't even be bothered clicking on a the link to an idiotic Wikipedia
    page - the whole website is full of lies, misinformation, and complete
    crap thanks to allowing any moron to post so-called "facts" without
    them actually being checked properly (and no, another moron "checking"
    them doesn't count either). :-\

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Mar 20 16:46:37 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    Your Name wrote on 19. March 2016:

    In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
    C64 to work.

    The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
    magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.

    Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
    crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

    There were some games especially written for the Specci, and not or much
    later ported to the Commodore 64. So I'd say yes, some C64 users might
    want to have a Specci emulator.
    --
    Andreas

    I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
    as I have to reboot my computer.

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@21:1/5 to Robert Roland on Sun Mar 20 17:02:30 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    Robert Roland wrote on 19. March 2016:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 16:24:00 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    Not really that important. If by chance it crosses your path though it'll >>be nice. :-)

    Not sure it is what you are looking for, but I found this:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4olweuvsaanknw/spectrum.zip?dl=0

    That works. Nice find! :-)

    Only saw the "home" screen of the spectrum. Have to figure out how to
    load it a program.
    --
    Andreas

    I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
    as I have to reboot my computer.

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  • From Clocky@21:1/5 to Your Name on Tue Mar 22 12:43:32 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    On 20/03/2016 11:17 AM, Your Name wrote:
    In article <56edfe76$0$1513$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

    Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.

    I can't even be bothered clicking on a the link to an idiotic Wikipedia
    page - the whole website is full of lies, misinformation, and complete
    crap thanks to allowing any moron to post so-called "facts" without
    them actually being checked properly (and no, another moron "checking"
    them doesn't count either). :-\



    Denial doesn't make the truth go away.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to notgonna@happen.com on Tue Mar 22 17:08:23 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    In article <56f0cd77$0$2756$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

    On 20/03/2016 11:17 AM, Your Name wrote:
    In article <56edfe76$0$1513$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

    Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.

    I can't even be bothered clicking on a the link to an idiotic Wikipedia page - the whole website is full of lies, misinformation, and complete
    crap thanks to allowing any moron to post so-called "facts" without
    them actually being checked properly (and no, another moron "checking"
    them doesn't count either). :-\

    Denial doesn't make the truth go away.

    Whatever it says there is almost certainly complete crap and/or
    half-truth misinformation posted by anti-Apple numbnuts who haven't got
    a clue what they're talking about.

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Mar 28 17:07:54 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:

    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
    on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
    where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
    | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
    | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
    Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
    also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
    emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
    emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
    ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is another question.

    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
    C64 to work.

    I found <http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12346> which says
    it mainly emulates the Sinclair BASIC on the C64. But already PEEK and
    POKE shall stop the emulation.
    --
    Andreas

    I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
    as I have to reboot my computer.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to notgonna@happen.com on Sun Mar 20 12:24:19 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    In article <56ede296$0$1535$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
    On 20/03/2016 5:01 AM, Your Name wrote:
    In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
    Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
    <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
    on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address) >>>> where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for >>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
    | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a >>>> Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I >>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
    (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
    start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum >>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or >>>> emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means) >>> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is >>> another question.

    Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed >> is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.

    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real >>> C64 to work.

    The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
    magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.

    Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
    crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

    Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
    computer.

    Their stupidity was fully realised the day they chose an Apple product
    in the first place...

    Yep, it's really "stupid" to want a computer that works, doesn't suffer
    idiotic malware and viruses, doesn't look like the cheap knock-off of
    someone else's work that it is, ... I guess that's why sales of Apple
    computers rise every year while most other makers are declining. :-\

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  • From Clocky@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Mar 20 09:35:47 2016
    XPost: comp.sys.cbm

    On 20/03/2016 8:24 AM, Your Name wrote:
    In article <56ede296$0$1535$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
    On 20/03/2016 5:01 AM, Your Name wrote:
    In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
    <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
    Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
    In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
    <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

    I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
    on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address) >>>>>> where an article says:

    | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for >>>>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
    | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
    | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
    | software on their machines [...]

    I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a >>>>>> Spectrum an Z80.

    I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I >>>>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator >>>>>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't >>>>>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.

    So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum >>>>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or >>>>>> emulated itself.

    The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means) >>>>> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is >>>>> another question.

    Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed >>>> is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before. >>>>
    I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
    hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real >>>>> C64 to work.

    The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
    magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.

    Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
    crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

    Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
    emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
    computer.

    Their stupidity was fully realised the day they chose an Apple product
    in the first place...

    Yep, it's really "stupid" to want a computer that works, doesn't suffer idiotic malware and viruses, doesn't look like the cheap knock-off of
    someone else's work that it is, ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

    Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.

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