• [telecom] August 2nd, 2022 - The Decommissioning of Copper Gets Real

    From Fred Atkinson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 14 22:58:41 2022
    Networks are aging, parts are unavailable, and technicians are
    retiring. If your organization uses copper-based services, make
    a plan to eliminate them quickly.

    https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real



    Fred

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  • From Bill Horne@21:1/5 to Fred Atkinson on Tue Mar 15 14:59:49 2022
    On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 10:58:41PM -0700, Fred Atkinson wrote:

    Networks are aging, parts are unavailable, and technicians are
    retiring. If your organization uses copper-based services, make
    a plan to eliminate them quickly.

    https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real

    The "nojitter" article is a paen to the all-mighty "MOTHER BELL" and
    her infinite wisdom: Ms. Munro's breathless boosterism includes these paragraphs:

    Carriers have quietly tried to eliminate POTS lines, DSL, primary
    rate interfaces (PRIs), and private data services delivered over
    this old copper cable network. Carriers have been slowly
    attempting to discourage continued use of these services, by
    increasing pricing, not renewing contracts, ending maintenance
    and support, and requiring customers to move to VoIP (fiber)
    based services.

    The subtle approach changed recently when Verizon Business sent a
    notice to all of its channel sales organizations that said all
    customers with a current VZB POTS line must completely migrate to
    a new product no later than April 30, 2022. Customers who don'dt
    migrate will be subject to disconnection on or after April 30,
    2022. Verizon Business operates in about a dozen states. Though
    Verizon Business only mentions POTS lines, this announcement has
    big implications for everyone.

    First, the obvious: VoIP is not equal to fiber. Phone companies love
    VoIP because it hides a multitude of sins, like the ongoing efforts to
    shuffle all trunk lines on to the Internet, thus externalizing the
    cost of maintaining them on to <anyone else>. The virtual-circuit, switched-with-links-in-tandem paradigm is now passé. What nobody wants
    to think about is the dramatic increases in fire and theft insurnce
    costs which the business owners are soon to be hit with, since their dedicted-pair phone lines are soon to be "as available" connections
    which are neither "always on," nor reliable.

    Second, the all-too-obvious: "Carriers" haven't done anything
    "quietly." They have been trying, in ways both subtle and gross, to
    rid themselve of their well-paid, hard-working, loyal, and, yes, aging
    union workforce. It seems the old "Get in the truck" dedication and
    "hard work is its own reward" tradition is no longer fashionable, at
    least when the executives at the ilec's have to choose between their million-dollar bonuses or loyalty to the men and women who made them
    possible, and the union men who raised their familiess and paid their
    mortgages with notions of hard work, best-in-the-world service, and
    no-excuses "always on" service are soon to be museum displays.

    Bill


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    Bill Horne
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  • From GlowingBlueMist@21:1/5 to Bill Horne on Wed Mar 16 17:46:47 2022
    On 3/15/2022 9:59 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
    On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 10:58:41PM -0700, Fred Atkinson wrote:

    Networks are aging, parts are unavailable, and technicians are
    retiring. If your organization uses copper-based services, make
    a plan to eliminate them quickly.

    https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real

    The "nojitter" article is a paen to the all-mighty "MOTHER BELL" and
    her infinite wisdom: Ms. Munro's breathless boosterism includes these paragraphs:

    Carriers have quietly tried to eliminate POTS lines, DSL, primary
    rate interfaces (PRIs), and private data services delivered over
    this old copper cable network. Carriers have been slowly
    attempting to discourage continued use of these services, by
    increasing pricing, not renewing contracts, ending maintenance
    and support, and requiring customers to move to VoIP (fiber)
    based services.

    The subtle approach changed recently when Verizon Business sent a
    notice to all of its channel sales organizations that said all
    customers with a current VZB POTS line must completely migrate to
    a new product no later than April 30, 2022. Customers who don'dt
    migrate will be subject to disconnection on or after April 30,
    2022. Verizon Business operates in about a dozen states. Though
    Verizon Business only mentions POTS lines, this announcement has
    big implications for everyone.

    First, the obvious: VoIP is not equal to fiber. Phone companies love
    VoIP because it hides a multitude of sins, like the ongoing efforts to shuffle all trunk lines on to the Internet, thus externalizing the
    cost of maintaining them on to <anyone else>. The virtual-circuit, switched-with-links-in-tandem paradigm is now passé. What nobody wants
    to think about is the dramatic increases in fire and theft insurnce
    costs which the business owners are soon to be hit with, since their dedicted-pair phone lines are soon to be "as available" connections
    which are neither "always on," nor reliable.

    Second, the all-too-obvious: "Carriers" haven't done anything
    "quietly." They have been trying, in ways both subtle and gross, to
    rid themselve of their well-paid, hard-working, loyal, and, yes, aging
    union workforce. It seems the old "Get in the truck" dedication and
    "hard work is its own reward" tradition is no longer fashionable, at
    least when the executives at the ilec's have to choose between their million-dollar bonuses or loyalty to the men and women who made them possible, and the union men who raised their familiess and paid their mortgages with notions of hard work, best-in-the-world service, and no-excuses "always on" service are soon to be museum displays.

    Bill


    In my area the the last two or more years the DSL and phone company have
    been actively forcing their network into failure by removing the rain
    tight covers off of any junction point when technicians make ANY repair
    or installation. They throw away the actual cover and replace it with
    an orange plastic bag and a zip tie or two. As the bags age and fall
    apart they are not replaced. They are doing this on all above ground connections.

    From talking to the technicians (off the record) the goal is to make
    things bad enough that they can go crying to the local authorities and
    try to get them to pay for part or all of a fiber replacement of the
    "bad" cables.

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Fred Atkinson on Thu Mar 17 22:00:56 2022
    On 3/15/22 1:58 AM, Fred Atkinson wrote:

    Networks are aging, parts are unavailable, and technicians are
    retiring. If your organization uses copper-based services, make a
    plan to eliminate them quickly.


    It's not just copper Outside Plant being chopped. It's what it feeds:
    Line cards on ESS/DMS switches. At least for the 5E, the software
    licenses cost the LEC MANY dollars per month. And with many ports no
    longer used vs. cellular, it's a big hit.

    If instead of POTS you have FTTH {"FIOS"} where it's now Just Bits, it's
    far cheaper. I've been told that all FIOS phone bits in the extended DC
    region are hauled to Reston VA where a few U's of rack space takes care
    of them.

    There are services that don't easily convert. One is fire alarms,
    another elevator emergency phones. NFPA has approved cellular
    replacements for fire circuits, with some requirements.

    In theory, there is a "POTS Replacement" market for cellular boxes that
    the existing elevator POTS phone plugs into directly. But I've found
    actual LTE/5G hardware to purchase as plentiful as polar bears in the
    Gobi desert; there are, however, hoards of companies wanting to rent you
    a "service" every month.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Bill Horne on Thu Mar 24 01:11:27 2022
    On 3/15/2022 10:59, Bill Horne wrote:

    Carriers have quietly tried to eliminate POTS lines, DSL, primary
    rate interfaces (PRIs), and private data services delivered over
    this old copper cable network. Carriers have been slowly
    attempting to discourage continued use of these services, by
    increasing pricing, not renewing contracts, ending maintenance
    and support, and requiring customers to move to VoIP (fiber)
    based services.

    Very true. I have a basic AT&T POTS line and ADSL service. Any time I
    have to call the telco, they regularly put on a heavy sales pitch to
    switch to U-Verse and VOIP. My answer is always a polite but firm "no".
    I suspect it won't be long before they won't offer POTS and/or ADSL in
    my region; they already won't sell the traditional DSL to new subscribers.

    POTS is going up by about $1.5/month each year, presumably to push
    subscribers off. It's now about $10/mo more than it cost me in 2015.
    $41/mo after taxes/fees, no long distance, no features, unlimited local calling. They no longer offer measured rate local calling in Ohio, or
    I'd be subscribed to that.

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  • From Julian Thomas@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 3 13:14:16 2022
    I think that Frontier here in Rochester NY (successor to the late
    lamented Rochester Tel) may have adopted a different method for
    encouraging POTs subscribers to bail in addition to or instead of drip
    drip drip rate increases. Residents in our neighborhood are having
    periodic loss of service which seems to be coming from the CO. Seems
    that they are eliminating equipment (line frames?) as people cancel
    service and consolidating subscriber lines on the remaining
    frames. Apparently this process frequently doesn't work correctly.

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    jt - jt@jt-mj.net

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you
    commit atrocities. - Voltaire

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