• Charter Presses FCC on Pole Attachment Issues

    From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 1 00:39:41 2021
    "Charter is urging the FCC to act on pole attachment recommendations
    made by the NCTA - the Internet & Television Association (formerly the
    National Cable & Telecommunications Association) - earlier this year.
    Several pole owners have imposed unreasonable requirements on Charter
    as it plans to deploy broadband to unserved rural areas. Charter was
    one of the largest winning bidders in the auction and was tentatively
    awarded $1.22 billion to bring broadband to unserved areas of multiple
    states.

    ...

    In a letter summarizing the November 19 meeting, Charter referenced pole attachment disputes in Kentucky, Hawaii, California, and South Carolina
    but mentioned only one pole owner by name. Charter cited Warren Rural
    Electric Cooperative Corporation, a local power company in Kentucky, as
    an example of a pole owner that was being uncooperative."

    https://www.telecompetitor.com/charter-presses-fcc-on-pole-attachment-issues-says-rdof-deadlines-are-threatened/

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  • From Bill Horne@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Dec 1 13:55:52 2021
    On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 12:39:41AM -0500, Michael Trew wrote:
    In a letter summarizing the November 19 meeting, Charter referenced pole attachment disputes in Kentucky, Hawaii, California, and South Carolina but mentioned only one pole owner by name. Charter cited Warren Rural Electric Cooperative Corporation, a local power company in Kentucky, as an example of a pole owner that was being uncooperative."

    I'm of two minds on this issue, and I wonder if someone can explain if
    there is a basis for Charter's claims in common law.

    Some things are meant to be shared: your car is entitled to just as
    much space in the lane as mine. I pay a road tax with every gallon of
    gas that I buy, as you do, and in theory our shared payments are used
    to keep the roads in good repair, with motorists who drive farther
    paying more for fuel and therefore contributing more in taxes toward
    road wear and tear.

    In like manner, rights of way and access to them are assigned to
    private companies in order to achieve public benefits: it's difficult
    to imagine a telephone pole without any electric wires at the top, and
    those poles use rights-of-way next to public streets because they
    prevent children from being electrocuted.

    But, every profit-making enterprise is always trying to increase its
    profits, an so it goes in this case. Charter's claims amount to a
    demand that their stockholders enjoy the investments that phone and
    electric company shareholders made in poles, siting, construction,
    maintenane, local license fees, accident repairs, and all the other
    expenses that go with having infrastructure in the first place.

    Charter doesn't want to contribute to those costs, even though the
    body politic had to forego the taxes or other income that could have
    been collected when they were erected so many years ago. I think that
    it's time for the taxpayers to get their share.

    Bill

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    Bill Horne
    (Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to malQassRimiMlation@gmail.com on Wed Dec 1 21:40:24 2021
    It appears that Bill Horne <malQassRimiMlation@gmail.com> said:
    On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 12:39:41AM -0500, Michael Trew wrote:
    mentioned only one pole owner by name. Charter cited Warren Rural Electric >> Cooperative Corporation, a local power company in Kentucky, as an example of >> a pole owner that was being uncooperative." ...

    Charter doesn't want to contribute to [pole maintenance] costs, ...

    But that's not what the article says. WRE is refusing to handle pole attachment
    applications, claiming that it's too hard or they're overwhelmed, which is absurd.
    If they can put up the poles, they can bleeping well handle attachments to them.

    There also seeems to be an argument about the price, a fairly technical one about depreciation rates, but Charter is not asking for free access.

    R's,
    John

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  • From Moderator@21:1/5 to John Levine on Fri Dec 3 16:03:24 2021
    On 1 Dec 2021 21:40:24 -0500
    John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote

    But that's not what the article says. WRE is refusing to handle pole attachment
    applications, claiming that it's too hard or they're overwhelmed, which is absurd.
    If they can put up the poles, they can bleeping well handle attachments to them.

    There also seeems to be an argument about the price, a fairly technical one about depreciation rates, but Charter is not asking for free access.

    There's more to my concern then just one or two poles in Winslow Arizona.

    The FCC has just published its Repor & Order on the subject, and (IMHO)
    they make clear that the ordinary folks who paid for the poles by
    giving up their rights of way are going to get shafted.

    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-18-111A1.pdf

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to telecomdigestsubmissions@remove-thi on Fri Dec 3 12:26:11 2021
    It appears that Moderator <telecomdigestsubmissions@remove-this.remove-this.telecom-digest.org> said:
    There's more to my concern then just one or two poles in Winslow Arizona.

    The FCC has just published its Repor & Order on the subject, and (IMHO)
    they make clear that the ordinary folks who paid for the poles by
    giving up their rights of way are going to get shafted.

    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-18-111A1.pdf

    I took a look and I don't get it. The poles are already there. What difference
    does it make if there are more wires hanging on them?

    Also, I dunno about where you are, but most of the poles here are in the municipality's
    right of way with access presumably negotiated a century ago when the initial phone and
    power franchises were made. Also, to point out the obvious, the poles allow us to have
    phone and power that we wouldn't otherwise.

    R's,
    John

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  • From Fred Goldstein@21:1/5 to Moderator on Sat Dec 4 14:28:52 2021
    On 12/3/2021 11:03 AM, Moderator wrote:
    On 1 Dec 2021 21:40:24 -0500
    John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote

    But that's not what the article says. WRE is refusing to handle pole attachment
    applications, claiming that it's too hard or they're overwhelmed, which is absurd.
    If they can put up the poles, they can bleeping well handle attachments to them.

    There also seeems to be an argument about the price, a fairly technical one >> about depreciation rates, but Charter is not asking for free access.
    There's more to my concern then just one or two poles in Winslow Arizona.

    The FCC has just published its Repor & Order on the subject, and (IMHO)
    they make clear that the ordinary folks who paid for the poles by
    giving up their rights of way are going to get shafted.

    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-18-111A1.pdf

    That order was released in August, 2018, so it was only "just" published
    for very large values of "just". It has almost nothing to do with rights
    of way. It allows one-touch make ready, to speed up the make-ready
    process for new attachers where it would not pose risks to existing
    attachers, and sets new deadlines for attachment processes. It also
    allows attachers to overlash to their own attachments without prior
    approval of the pole owner. The idea is to speed up fiber builds, which
    are often held up by the slow attachment process.

    ***** Moderator's Note *****

    efficiency, three years *IS* "just published!"

    Bill Horne
    Moderator

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