• [telecom] RE: FCC Commissioner proposes tax on Internet advertising

    From Harold Hallikainen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 21 14:01:28 2021
    I guess the proposal to tax Internet advertising platforms for the
    Universal Service Fund uses the same reasoning Willie Sutton used to
    justify robbing banks: That's where the money is ( https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/willie-sutton ). However, that is probably not where the traffic is (Netflix provided 12.9% of American downstream traffic in the first six months of 2019 but hosted no
    advertising).

    However, I think we should recognize that Internet transport IS
    communications. It should be regulated in the same manner as other telecommunications services.

    Quoting from my comments in the Net Neutrality proceeding ( https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1071735191329/FCC%2017-108%20Comments%20by%20Harold%20Hallikainen_170716.pdf
    ):

    10. NPRM:9. The NPRM cites letters from Congress at https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/2038710001.pdf as in indication that Congress
    did not intend for ISPs to be regulated as telephone companies. The first
    of the cited letters (from John D. Rockefeller IV) concerns ISP
    contributions to the Universal Service Fund. His letter says “We believe
    it is also imperative that the Commission revisit its decision regarding
    the exemption of Internet service providers from universal service contributions and access charges. New reports of offerings of voice to
    voice telephony and fax services over the Internet -- the providers of
    which do not pay either either access charges or universal service contributions -- indicate that these providers are are indeed now offering telecommunications services, and that they should incur universal service obligations. Like long distance carriers, these providers rely on the
    local phone network to receive and deliver their services. They should not
    be allowed to continue to burden
    without paying their fair share for its upkeep.” If anything, this letter recognizes that Internet service providers are telecommunications carriers
    and should be regulated as such.

    11. NPRM:9. A second letter (the “Five Senators Letter”) takes the
    opposite stance (that quoted in the NPRM) that ISPs should not be
    considered telecommunications carriers and be subject to universal service
    contributions. While discouraging considering regulation of ISPs as telecommunications carriers, the letter continues “In arguing for the
    extension of direct universal service obligations to ISPs, the development
    of “Internet telephony” services is cited as the primary reason why ISPs
    should contribute directly to universal service. While various types of Internet telephony now are being tested, such services currently are not
    good substitutes for traditional telephone service. Nevertheless, because
    the advent of Internet telephony does raise some important policy issues
    we urge the FCC to carefully monitor developments in this area. In short,
    while we believe that it would be appropriate for the FCC to initiate an inquiry to better understand the the emerging Internet telephony
    marketplace and its potential impact on the public switched network, given
    its early stage of development, such services should not become an excuse
    for regulating information service providers.” Thus, nearly 20 years ago, Internet
    telephony was not sufficiently developed to consider regulation of ISPs in
    the same manner as telephone companies. In the intervening 20 years,
    Internet telephony as well as video conference, and various other communications techniques are well established and ready for regulation in
    a manner similar to POTS.

    12. NPRM:9. In the third and final letter, Senator John McCain makes a
    strong argument that Internet access is an information service. However,
    in this 1998 letter, he states “Recent public announcements about the
    advent of commercially available “Internet telephony” services suggest a possible partial convergence between information services and telecommunications.
    It would be grossly premature, however, to attempt to address these
    services today, given their early stage of development.” Now that these services have matured, it is indeed time to address these services with a
    fresh look.


    Harold

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  • From Fred Goldstein@21:1/5 to Harold Hallikainen on Wed Sep 22 11:01:08 2021
    On 9/21/2021 5:01 PM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
    I guess the proposal to tax Internet advertising platforms for the
    Universal Service Fund uses the same reasoning Willie Sutton used to
    justify robbing banks: That's where the money is ( https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/willie-sutton ). However, that is probably not where the traffic is (Netflix provided 12.9% of American downstream traffic in the first six months of 2019 but hosted no advertising).

    However, I think we should recognize that Internet transport IS communications. It should be regulated in the same manner as other telecommunications services.

    Quoting from my comments in the Net Neutrality proceeding ( https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1071735191329/FCC%2017-108%20Comments%20by%20Harold%20Hallikainen_170716.pdf
    ):

    [Moderator snip]

    Harold

    Harold, you make some good points, but it may help to understand how we
    got into this mess.

    In the Telecom Act and in the Computer II rules that it sort of tried to enshrine into law (unsuccessfully), the understanding at the time of its passage was that there were two distinct layers. The "basic service"/"telecommunications" layer passes raw audio or bits, often via
    a monopoly carrier. The "enhanced service"/"information service" layer
    is provided by computers that are attached to the telecommunications
    facility. The whole point of the Computer Inquiries (1966-1987 or so)
    was to ensure that the FCC regulated telecommunications without becoming
    the Federal Computer Commission.

    Set aside for the moment that both "net neutrality" and "overturn
    Section 230 and regulate social media" are activities almost purely in
    the computing realm.

    The problem is that ISPs today are treated as vertically-integrated
    players, wherein the telecommunications facililties are regulated as information services even though they really aren't. This was affirmed
    in the case of cable in the Brand X case, inasmuch as cable (ca. 2001)
    was never a monopoly common carrier and had not offered
    telecommunications services per se, and thus cable modems were just a "self-provisioned ISP". There was no Computer II violation because they
    weren't common carriers. But that gave the ILECs a sad so they got the
    FCC to overturn Computer II in 2005 and vertically-integrate their
    networks. Thus DSL and FTTH were removed from the USF contribution base.

    You also have wireless ISPs who do not and generally cannot offer
    raw-bit telecommunications services over purpose-built networks.

    But if incumbent providers and holders of exclusive spectrum licenses
    were required to pay USF contributions on the (properly identified, not
    that trivial) share of their revenues that actually went for telecommunications, vs. the part spent on computing, ISP customer
    service ("how can I set up my email?"), etc., then the contribution base
    would be expanded dramatically, while the pure computing function of
    "pure" (not carrier) ISPs would still be outside of the contribution
    base. This is what was expected when TA96 (which created USF) was
    passed; it is just so far from current practice that it seems radical.

    Fred

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