• Shortwave Modernization Petition: Using high power SW transmitters for

    From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 09:22:19 2023
    Hello!

    Some interesting articles about using SW to do data transmissions.
    Internet has a too high latency for these traders, so they wanna use
    shortwave with 20 kW.

    https://swling.com/blog/tag/shortwave-trading/

    The question is what the outcome is and which bands can be used by
    them. I hope that they will not be allowed to use the ham radio or
    broadcast bands because that will be the end for many broadcast station
    that cannot afford a high power transmitter.

    Worldwide ham radio and broadcasting is in danger if that will be the
    future of these bands.

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  • From Fred Goldstein@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Aug 23 12:29:10 2023
    On 8/22/2023 3:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    Hello!

    Some interesting articles about using SW to do data transmissions.
    Internet has a too high latency for these traders, so they wanna use shortwave with 20 kW.

    https://swling.com/blog/tag/shortwave-trading/

    The question is what the outcome is and which bands can be used by
    them. I hope that they will not be allowed to use the ham radio or
    broadcast bands because that will be the end for many broadcast station
    that cannot afford a high power transmitter.

    Worldwide ham radio and broadcasting is in danger if that will be the
    future of these bands.
    The petition is from the Shortwave Modernization Coalition (SMC), and
    the whole docket can be found on the FCC web site ECFS as RM-11953.

    They are asking for permission to use various existing Fixed Service
    bands between 2 and 25 MHz. Right now, Fixed Services are allowed on the
    HF bands for backup purposes, using SSB for voice, which uses 2.7 kHz
    channels. There are also some data licensees. SMC is asking for
    permission to use up to 50 kHz wide channels, up to 20 kW, and with a
    relaxed out-of-channel emission standard that would put very loud junk
    onto the amateur bands as well as interfere with other Fixed users,
    like, say, competing traders. The Comment and Reply Comment periods have officially closed, though. It has received a lot of opposition. For one
    thing, SMC wanted to be allowed very loose out-of-band emissions because
    a more properly filtered transmitter would have a tiny bit more latency,
    and flash traders take money from the rest of the market by being just a
    smidge faster to execute. There is no public benefit to this, just
    private gain for public harm.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 08:51:38 2023
    Am 23.08.2023 schrieb "Fred Goldstein" <anonymized@ionary.com>:

    SMC is asking for permission to use up to 50 kHz wide channels

    Multiple of these channels mean no more space for ham radio - or is my
    guess wrong?

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  • From Fred Goldstein@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Aug 26 10:41:56 2023
    On 8/24/2023 2:51 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 23.08.2023 schrieb "Fred Goldstein"<anonymized@ionary.com>:

    SMC is asking for permission to use up to 50 kHz wide channels
    Multiple of these channels mean no more space for ham radio - or is my
    guess wrong?

    They are not using proposing to use ham radio frequencies. They are
    proposing a set of frequencies already authorized for use under Part 90 licenses. But those frequencies are normally only available for
    commercial use on an emergency basis. There are several existing data
    systems on those bands, however, operating under Part 5 experimental
    licenses. Some of these bands are adjacent to ham bands, though, so the out-of-band signals from transmitters operating under SMC's proposed
    rules would be "S9+" on parts of the ham bands.

    BTW, Digest readers should remember that you can contribute by submitting to telecomdigestsubmissions@telecom-digest.org
    A plain "reply" might go to the wrong address.

    --
    Fred Goldstein  k1io  fred "at" ionary.com

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