• Database design tool

    From Roy Hann@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 12 15:18:31 2021
    I just found out the database design tool (ERD Concepts) that I've found
    almost tolerable for the last few years, and which incidentally also
    has native Ingres support, has been discontinued.

    It was never better than not-so-flakey-as-to-be-completely-unusable. I
    chose it because at the time it was just the least terrible of a comprehensively hateful class of tools.

    The problem back then was that all such tools were designed by people
    who didn't understand--and in fact seemed to hate--databases. They
    solved few of the problems that needed solving and perpetuated a
    lot of really bad practices and misconceptions.

    So now I'm in the market for a new design tool.

    Can anyone suggest something that doesn't implement 50-year old thinking
    that was garbage even in its day? (I'm looking at you, Peter Chen.)

    Roy

    PS: If anyone is interested, ERD Concepts can still be downloaded for
    free, on an MIT licence, from https://www.erdconcepts.com/download.html

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  • From Michael Leo@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 12 16:03:59 2021
    Roy,

    Unfortunately, the one I use doesn't support Ingres. It also only runs on Windows, which is the only reason I have a Paralles VM on my Mac.

    https://www.datanamic.com/dezign/supporteddatabases.html

    Your tool is listed here:

    https://dbmstools.com/categories/database-diagram-tools/ingres

    Maybe one of the others will work ...

    Cheers,


    Michael Leo

    Kettle River Consulting Inc

    612-859-2108

    mleo@kettleriverconsulting.com

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    I just found out the database design tool (ERD Concepts) that I've found
    almost tolerable for the last few years, and which incidentally also
    has native Ingres support, has been discontinued.

    It was never better than not-so-flakey-as-to-be-completely-unusable. I
    chose it because at the time it was just the least terrible of a comprehensively hateful class of tools.

    The problem back then was that all such tools were designed by people
    who didn't understand--and in fact seemed to hate--databases. They
    solved few of the problems that needed solving and perpetuated a
    lot of really bad practices and misconceptions.

    So now I'm in the market for a new design tool.

    Can anyone suggest something that doesn't implement 50-year old thinking
    that was garbage even in its day? (I'm looking at you, Peter Chen.)

    Roy

    PS: If anyone is interested, ERD Concepts can still be downloaded for
    free, on an MIT licence, from https://www.erdconcepts.com/download.html

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    Unfortunately, the one I use doesn't support Ingres.&nbsp; It also only runs on Windows, which is the only reason I have a Paralles VM on my Mac.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>

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    Your tool is listed here:<br>

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    <div class="PlainText">I just found out the database design tool (ERD Concepts) that I've found<br>
    almost tolerable for the last few years, and which incidentally also<br>
    has native Ingres support, has been discontinued.<br>

    It was never better than not-so-flakey-as-to-be-completely-unusable. I<br> chose it because at the time it was just the least terrible of a<br> comprehensively hateful class of tools. <br>

    The problem back then was that all such tools were designed by people<br>
    who didn't understand--and in fact seemed to hate--databases. They<br>
    solved few of the problems that needed solving and perpetuated a<br>
    lot of really bad practices and misconceptions.<br>

    So now I'm in the market for a new design tool. <br>

    Can anyone suggest something that doesn't implement 50-year old thinking<br> that was garbage even in its day? (I'm looking at you, Peter Chen.)<br>

    Roy<br>

    PS: If anyone is interested, ERD Concepts can still be downloaded for<br>
    free, on an MIT licence, from <a href="https://www.erdconcepts.com/download.html">
    https://www.erdconcepts.com/download.html</a><br>

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  • From Roy Hann@21:1/5 to Michael Leo on Fri Feb 12 18:06:34 2021
    To: info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org (info-ingres@lists.planetingres.org)

    Friday, February 12, 2021, 4:03:59 PM, you wrote:

    Unfortunately, the one I use doesn't support Ingres. It also only
    runs on Windows, which is the only reason I have a Paralles VM on my Mac.

    https://www.datanamic.com/dezign/supporteddatabases.html

    Thank you for that Mike! I've not encountered that one. Being confined
    to barracks as we are I might as well spend some of the weekend kicking its tyres/tires.

    I'll let you know how I get on.

    Roy

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