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    From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 28 06:17:15 2023
    Lawyer admits using AI for research after citing 'bogus' cases from
    ChatGPT.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz used program to 'supplement' his work for a 10-page
    submission to the Manhattan federal court.
    ---
    A New York lawyer has been forced to admit he used the artificial
    intelligence tool ChatGPT to carry out legal research after it
    referenced several made-up court cases.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz, who works for Levidow, Levidow and Oberman, is on a
    team representing airline passenger Roberto Mata who is suing the firm
    Avianca for injuries suffered when a serving cart hit his knee during a
    flight from El Salvador to JFK airport in New York in 2019.
    Mr Schwartz used the AI program to "supplement" his research for a
    10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court outlining why his
    client's case should not be thrown out.

    The legal brief, submitted in March, cited six previous cases dated from
    1999 to 2019 to bolster his argument for why the case should be heard
    despite the statute of limitations having expired. But neither the
    airline's lawyers nor the judge could find the decisio
  • From Nic@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 28 08:29:44 2023
    On 5/28/23 1:17 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
    Lawyer admits using AI for research after citing 'bogus' cases from
    ChatGPT.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz used program to 'supplement' his work for a 10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court.
    ---
    A New York lawyer has been forced to admit he used the artificial intelligence tool ChatGPT to carry out legal research after it
    referenced several made-up court cases.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz, who works for Levidow, Levidow and Oberman, is on a
    team representing airline passenger Roberto Mata who is suing the firm Avianca for injuries suffered when a serving cart hit his knee during a flight from El Salvador to JFK airport in New York in 2019.
    Mr Schwartz used the AI program to "supplement" his research for a
    10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court outlining why his
    client's case should not be thrown out.

    The legal brief, submitted in March, cited six previous cases dated from
    1999 to 2019 to bolster his argument for why the case should be heard
    despite the statute of limitations having expired. But neither the
    airline's lawyers nor the judge could find the decisions or quotations summarised in the brief. [continues]
    --- <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/27/lawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases/>

    The above, bypassing paywall: <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2023%2F05%2F27%2Flawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases%2F>

    TinyURL of above: <https://tinyurl.com/yntupbe4>
    ---


    - and so the nightmare begins...

    That says a lot for hard copy, books, records, and ledgers as opposed to
    the digital storage methods.

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  • From Blue-Maned_Hawk@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 28 15:53:41 2023
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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 20:27:10 2023
    On Sun, 28 May 2023 06:17:15 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

    Lawyer admits using AI for research after citing 'bogus' cases from
    ChatGPT.

    Poor example of "don't trust, do verify".


    ---
    Steven Schwartz used program to 'supplement' his work for a 10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court.
    ---
    A New York lawyer has been forced to admit he used the artificial intelligence tool ChatGPT to carry out legal research after it
    referenced several made-up court cases.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz, who works for Levidow, Levidow and Oberman, is on a
    team representing airline passenger Roberto Mata who is suing the firm Avianca for injuries suffered when a serving cart hit his knee during a flight from El Salvador to JFK airport in New York in 2019.
    Mr Schwartz used the AI program to "supplement" his research for a
    10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court outlining why his
    client's case should not be thrown out.

    The legal brief, submitted in March, cited six previous cases dated from
    1999 to 2019 to bolster his argument for why the case should be heard
    despite the statute of limitations having expired. But neither the
    airline's lawyers nor the judge could find the decisions or quotations summarised in the brief. [continues]
    ---
    <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/27/lawyer-chatgpt-made-
    up-cases/>

    The above, bypassing paywall: <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-
    news%2F2023%2F05%2F27%2Flawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases%2F>

    TinyURL of above: <https://tinyurl.com/yntupbe4>
    ---


    - and so the nightmare begins...

    It (the nightmare) been around for at over a year.

    There's talk about the licenses for code (or text) that
    these gadgets auto-generate, since they might take
    snippets of code (or text) right off the net. But on the
    other hand: sometimes they just make up stuff that sounds plausible.

    Another example: mrs. vallor got it to generate a story
    about a rabbit, then googled the resulting text. She found similiar
    text online, and thought she'd found evidence of
    potential plagiarism -- but it was dated *after* ChatGPT's cutoff date.
    We figured that they might be using ChatGPT to write those
    children's stories and post them to the web.

    --
    -v

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Jun 1 14:33:13 2023
    vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

    On Sun, 28 May 2023 06:17:15 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

    Lawyer admits using AI for research after citing 'bogus' cases from ChatGPT.

    --- <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/27/lawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases/>

    The above, bypassing paywall: <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2023%2F05%2F27%2Flawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases%2F>

    TinyURL of above: <https://tinyurl.com/yntupbe4>
    ---

    Poor example of "don't trust, do verify".


    Hence my earlier (unchallenged) point that
    ChatGPT does not provide citations.






    ---[remainder left unsnipped for context]---


    ---
    Steven Schwartz used program to 'supplement' his work for a 10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court.
    ---
    A New York lawyer has been forced to admit he used the artificial intelligence tool ChatGPT to carry out legal research after it
    referenced several made-up court cases.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz, who works for Levidow, Levidow and Oberman, is on a
    team representing airline passenger Roberto Mata who is suing the firm Avianca for injuries suffered whe
  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 19:23:06 2023
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:33:13 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

    vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

    On Sun, 28 May 2023 06:17:15 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

    Lawyer admits using AI for research after citing 'bogus' cases from
    ChatGPT.

    ---
    <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/27/lawyer-chatgpt-made-
    up-cases/>

    The above, bypassing paywall: <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-
    news%2F2023%2F05%2F27%2Flawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases%2F>

    TinyURL of above: <https://tinyurl.com/yntupbe4>
    ---

    Poor example of "don't trust, do verify".


    Hence my earlier (unchallenged) point that ChatGPT does not provide citations.


    It does provide citations sometimes. And sometimes, those citations
    are bogus, which is what happened to our hero the cyberlawyer...






    ---[remainder left unsnipped for context]---


    ---
    Steven Schwartz used program to 'supplement' his work for a 10-page
    submission to the Manhattan federal court.
    ---
    A New York lawyer has been forced to admit he used the artificial
    intelligence tool ChatGPT to carry out legal research after it
    referenced several made-up court cases.
    ---
    Steven Schwartz, who works for Levidow, Levidow and Oberman, is on a
    team representing airline passenger Roberto Mata who is suing the
    firm Avianca for injuries suffered when a serving cart hit his knee
    during a flight from El Salvador to JFK airport in New York in 2019.
    Mr Schwartz used the AI program to "supplement" his research for a
    10-page submission to the Manhattan federal court outlining why his
    client's case should not be thrown out.

    The legal brief, submitted in March, cited six previous cases dated
    from 1999 to 2019 to bolster his argument for why the case should be
    heard despite the statute of limitations having expired. But neither
    the airline's lawyers nor the judge could find the decisions or
    quotations summarised in the brief. [continues]
    ---
    <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/27/lawyer-chatgpt-
    made-
    up-cases/>

    The above, bypassing paywall:
    <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-
    news%2F2023%2F05%2F27%2Flawyer-chatgpt-made-up-cases%2F>

    TinyURL of above: <https://tinyurl.com/yntupbe4>
    ---


    - and so the nightmare begins...

    It (the nightmare) been around for at over a year.

    There's talk about the licenses for code (or text) that these gadgets
    auto-generate, since they might take snippets of code (or text) right
    off the net. But on the other hand: sometimes they just make up stuff
    that sounds plausible.

    Another example: mrs. vallor got it to generate a story about a rabbit,
    then googled the resulting text. She found similiar text online, and
    thought she'd found evidence of potential plagiarism -- but it was
    dated *after* ChatGPT's cutoff date.
    We figured that they might be using ChatGPT to write those children's
    stories and post them to the web.

    --
    -v

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)