• =?UTF-8?Q?Getting_rid_of_G=c3=b6del_Incompleteness?=

    From olcott@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 11:07:48 2023
    XPost: sci.logic, comp.theory

    When we redefine the architecture of formal systems to be an extension
    of the notion of a syllogism such that conclusions are required to be a semantically necessary consequence of all of their premises then
    incompleteness is no longer possible. All unprovable expressions are
    simply deemed to be invalid arguments. This makes them no longer
    available to show incompleteness. Copyright 2023 PL Olcott

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Basic_structure

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    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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  • From olcott@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Aug 22 17:56:05 2023
    XPost: sci.logic, comp.theory

    On 8/22/2023 11:07 AM, olcott wrote:
    When we redefine the architecture of formal systems to be an extension
    of the notion of a syllogism such that conclusions are required to be a semantically necessary consequence of all of their premises then incompleteness is no longer possible. All unprovable expressions are
    simply deemed to be invalid arguments. This makes them no longer
    available to show incompleteness.

    This transforms mathematical incompleteness into the non sequitur error


    Copyright 2023 PL Olcott

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Basic_structure


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    Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Aug 22 21:25:41 2023
    XPost: sci.logic, comp.theory

    On 8/22/23 12:07 PM, olcott wrote:
    When we redefine the architecture of formal systems to be an extension
    of the notion of a syllogism such that conclusions are required to be a semantically necessary consequence of all of their premises then incompleteness is no longer possible. All unprovable expressions are
    simply deemed to be invalid arguments. This makes them no longer
    available to show incompleteness. Copyright 2023 PL Olcott

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Basic_structure


    If you want to do that, fine.

    Now, show what you can do with such a system.

    Remember, you just pulled the foundation out from mosdt of logic, so you
    can't use any of it until you re-establish it.

    You need to start by trying to actually DEFINE your statement.

    From the way you talk, it seems a necessary conclusion of your
    statement is that you logic system can't actually handle abstract
    statements.

    Otherwise, what does it actually mean?

    After all, standard logic doesn't let you make a conclusion that isn't
    true by necessity from the previous shown truths and the rules of logic.

    Or, are you confusing "conclusions" (things that are proven) with
    "facts" (things that have a truth value).

    For instance, the Truth or Falsity of Collatz Conjecture is a fixed
    value, even if we don't know it, or maybe even CAN'T know it.

    Your inability to understand that, just shows the limitations of your
    mind, and the logic system you are trying to create.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Aug 22 21:27:12 2023
    XPost: sci.logic, comp.theory

    On 8/22/23 6:56 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 11:07 AM, olcott wrote:
    When we redefine the architecture of formal systems to be an extension
    of the notion of a syllogism such that conclusions are required to be a
    semantically necessary consequence of all of their premises then
    incompleteness is no longer possible. All unprovable expressions are
    simply deemed to be invalid arguments. This makes them no longer
    available to show incompleteness.

    This transforms mathematical incompleteness into the non sequitur error


    Copyright 2023 PL Olcott

    No, it shows that your logic is insufficient to handle that level of Mathematics.

    But then, that just shows your level of comprehension.

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