• Refutation of the Ben Bacarisse Rebuttal [Ben targets my posts]

    From olcott@21:1/5 to Ben Bacarisse on Tue Jun 20 14:59:40 2023
    XPost: sci.logic, comp.theory

    On 6/19/2023 3:08 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
    Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:

    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:58:39 PM UTC+2, olcott wrote:

    the full semantics of the question <bla>

    Look, dumbo, we are asking the simple question: "Does D(D) halt?"

    Now, D(D) either halts or doesn't halt.

    Hence the CORRECT yes/no-answer to the question "Does D(D) halt?" is
    "yes" iff D(D) halts and "no" if D(D) doesn't halt.

    Just a reminder that you are arguing with someone who has declared that
    the wrong answer is the right one:

    Me: "do you still assert that [...] false is the "correct" answer even
    though P(P) halts?"

    PO: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.



    *Ben Bacarisse targets my posts to discourage honest dialogue*
    *Ben Bacarisse targets my posts to discourage honest dialogue*
    *Ben Bacarisse targets my posts to discourage honest dialogue*

    When Ben pointed out that H(P,P) reports that P(P) does not halt when
    P(P) does halt this seems to be a contradiction to people that lack a
    complete understanding.

    Because of this I changed the semantic meaning of a return value of 0
    from H to mean either
    (a) that P(P) does not halt <or>
    (b) P(P) specifically targets H to do the opposite of whatever Boolean
    value that H returns.

    When H(P,P) reports that P correctly simulated by H cannot possibly
    reach its own last instruction this is an easily verified fact, thus
    P(P) does not halt from the point of view of H.

    When H returns 0 for input P means either that P does not halt or
    P specifically targets H to do the opposite of whatever Boolean
    value that H returns not even people with little understanding can
    say that this is contradictory.



    --
    Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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  • From olcott@21:1/5 to Ben Bacarisse on Tue Jun 20 15:00:52 2023
    XPost: sci.logic, comp.theory

    On 6/19/2023 3:08 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
    Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:

    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:58:39 PM UTC+2, olcott wrote:

    the full semantics of the question <bla>

    Look, dumbo, we are asking the simple question: "Does D(D) halt?"

    Now, D(D) either halts or doesn't halt.

    Hence the CORRECT yes/no-answer to the question "Does D(D) halt?" is
    "yes" iff D(D) halts and "no" if D(D) doesn't halt.

    Just a reminder that you are arguing with someone who has declared that
    the wrong answer is the right one:

    Me: "do you still assert that [...] false is the "correct" answer even
    though P(P) halts?"

    PO: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.


    *Ben Bacarisse targets my posts to discourage honest dialogue*
    *Ben Bacarisse targets my posts to discourage honest dialogue*
    *Ben Bacarisse targets my posts to discourage honest dialogue*

    When Ben pointed out that H(P,P) reports that P(P) does not halt when
    P(P) does halt this seems to be a contradiction to people that lack a
    complete understanding.

    Because of this I changed the semantic meaning of a return value of 0
    from H to mean either
    (a) that P(P) does not halt <or>
    (b) P(P) specifically targets H to do the opposite of whatever Boolean
    value that H returns.

    When H(P,P) reports that P correctly simulated by H cannot possibly
    reach its own last instruction this is an easily verified fact, thus
    P(P) does not halt from the point of view of H.

    When H returns 0 for input P means either that P does not halt or
    P specifically targets H to do the opposite of whatever Boolean
    value that H returns not even people with little understanding can
    say that this is contradictory.



    --
    Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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