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On 1/26/23 10:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or deducible
from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily mean that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that are stipulated to be
true, but it implies that G is not provable using the methods and rules
of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement "G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F that have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving operations.
Therefore, according to this argument, G is not considered true in F.
This is related to Gödel's incompleteness theorems, which state that any consistent formal system that is powerful enough to express basic
arithmetic will contain statements that cannot be proven within that
system but are true.

And you think an AI's answer for this is meaningful?

I have seen a number of reviews of ChatGPTs outputs, and while it can
give intersting converstional results, when checked on things that can
be factually verified, it does very poorly, in part because it has no
way to actually determine which statements it has seen are actually true.


Remember, there is no "Definition" of Truth in a system, so it has no
way to positively identify if every statement given to it is correct.

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olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that are
stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or deducible
from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is no proof of G
within the formal system F. It does not necessarily mean that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that are stipulated to be
true, but it implies that G is not provable using the methods and rules
of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement "G
cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F that have been
stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving operations.
Therefore, according to this argument, G is not considered true in F.
This is related to Gödel's incompleteness theorems, which state that any consistent formal system that is powerful enough to express basic
arithmetic will contain statements that cannot be proven within that
system but are true.









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On 1/26/2023 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 1/26/23 10:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using
truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that
are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or
deducible from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is
no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily mean
that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that are
stipulated to be true, but it implies that G is not provable using the
methods and rules of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement
"G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to
establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F that
have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving
operations. Therefore, according to this argument, G is not considered
true in F. This is related to Gödel's incompleteness theorems, which
state that any consistent formal system that is powerful enough to
express basic arithmetic will contain statements that cannot be proven
within that system but are true.

And you think an AI's answer for this is meaningful?

It was able to become better at its use of reasoning as the dialogue progressed. *It continued to understand this*

Every analytical expression X of formal or natural language L that is
true always requires a connection from X using truth preserving
operations to the expressions of L that have been stipulated to be true otherwise X is untrue. [Copyright 2022 PL Olcott]



--
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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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On 1/26/2023 7:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or deducible
from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily mean that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that are stipulated to be
true, but it implies that G is not provable using the methods and rules
of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement "G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F that have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving operations.
Therefore, according to this argument, G is not considered true in F.
This is related to Gödel's incompleteness theorems, which state that any consistent formal system that is powerful enough to express basic
arithmetic will contain statements that cannot be proven within that
system but are true.

Ask it to write itself, and show the code! ;^)

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On 1/26/23 10:51 PM, olcott wrote:

On 1/26/2023 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 1/26/23 10:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using
truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that
are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or
deducible from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is
no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily
mean that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that
are stipulated to be true, but it implies that G is not provable
using the methods and rules of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement
"G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to
establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F
that have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving
operations. Therefore, according to this argument, G is not
considered true in F. This is related to Gödel's incompleteness
theorems, which state that any consistent formal system that is
powerful enough to express basic arithmetic will contain statements
that cannot be proven within that system but are true.

And you think an AI's answer for this is meaningful?

It was able to become better at its use of reasoning as the dialogue progressed. *It continued to understand this*

Every analytical expression X of formal or natural language L that is
true always requires a connection from X using truth preserving
operations to the expressions of L that have been stipulated to be true otherwise X is untrue. [Copyright 2022 PL Olcott]

All it is showing is that you don't have natural intelegence.

Note, I have never disagreed that to be true a statement needs to have a connection to the truth makers of the system.

YOU are the one that seems willing to make statements that you claim to
be true without being able to do that.

Statements like "If you can't give me a counter example, it must be
true" is an exaple of your Hyprocracy, especially when I DO show the
counter example, but because you can't let facts get in your way of your
ideas you just ignore it.

In fact, even says that just because ChatGBT says it means it is true is
just another example of your hyprocracy. You have NO idea what
statements it is using to build its conclusion, so no idea if it
actually connect to a REAL Truth Maker, or if someone has feed it some
false statements that it is using.

As I said, when it is actually fact checked on things with definite
correct answers, its accuracy is abysmal. For example, when asked to
present a program to do a given job, often the program is just incorrect.

You are proving you are just a Hyporictical Pathological Lying Idiot.

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On 1/26/2023 10:17 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

On 1/26/2023 7:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using
truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that
are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or
deducible from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is
no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily mean
that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that are
stipulated to be true, but it implies that G is not provable using the
methods and rules of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement
"G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to
establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F that
have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving
operations. Therefore, according to this argument, G is not considered
true in F. This is related to Gödel's incompleteness theorems, which
state that any consistent formal system that is powerful enough to
express basic arithmetic will contain statements that cannot be proven
within that system but are true.

Ask it to write itself, and show the code! ;^)

It won't do that yet it will explain key details about itself.

I am a deep learning model. Specifically, I am a transformer-based
language model, which is a type of neural network architecture that has
been trained on a large dataset of text. This allows me to generate
natural language text that is similar to human-written text, and to
understand and answer questions about the text that I have been trained
on. There are various techniques used to train deep learning models like Backpropagation, Stochastic gradient descent, and others. These
techniques use large amounts of data and computational power to optimize
the model's ability to accurately predict the output given a certain input.






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On 1/26/23 11:28 PM, olcott wrote:

On 1/26/2023 10:17 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

On 1/26/2023 7:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using
truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F that
are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or
deducible from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is
no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily
mean that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F that
are stipulated to be true, but it implies that G is not provable
using the methods and rules of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement
"G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to
establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F
that have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving
operations. Therefore, according to this argument, G is not
considered true in F. This is related to Gödel's incompleteness
theorems, which state that any consistent formal system that is
powerful enough to express basic arithmetic will contain statements
that cannot be proven within that system but are true.

Ask it to write itself, and show the code! ;^)

It won't do that yet it will explain key details about itself.

I am a deep learning model. Specifically, I am a transformer-based
language model, which is a type of neural network architecture that has
been trained on a large dataset of text. This allows me to generate
natural language text that is similar to human-written text, and to understand and answer questions about the text that I have been trained
on. There are various techniques used to train deep learning models like Backpropagation, Stochastic gradient descent, and others. These
techniques use large amounts of data and computational power to optimize
the model's ability to accurately predict the output given a certain input.

So, you actually hav no idea how accurate anything it says is.

Nothing it says is automatically connected to the truth makers of a
particular field.

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On 1/26/2023 10:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 1/26/23 10:51 PM, olcott wrote:

On 1/26/2023 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 1/26/23 10:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using
truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F
that are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or
deducible from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there is
no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not necessarily
mean that G is not connected to expressions of the language of F
that are stipulated to be true, but it implies that G is not
provable using the methods and rules of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The statement
"G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no way to
establish a connection from G to expressions of the language of F
that have been stipulated to be true, using only truth-preserving
operations. Therefore, according to this argument, G is not
considered true in F. This is related to Gödel's incompleteness
theorems, which state that any consistent formal system that is
powerful enough to express basic arithmetic will contain statements
that cannot be proven within that system but are true.

And you think an AI's answer for this is meaningful?

It was able to become better at its use of reasoning as the dialogue
progressed. *It continued to understand this*

Every analytical expression X of formal or natural language L that is
true always requires a connection from X using truth preserving
operations to the expressions of L that have been stipulated to be true
otherwise X is untrue. [Copyright 2022 PL Olcott]

All it is showing is that you don't have natural intelegence.

In other words you found no actual mistake thus resort to ad hominem.

--
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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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On 1/27/23 8:57 PM, olcott wrote:

On 1/26/2023 10:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 1/26/23 10:51 PM, olcott wrote:

On 1/26/2023 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 1/26/23 10:20 PM, olcott wrote:

olcott
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not connected (using
truth preserving operations) to expressions of the language of F
that are stipulated to be true.

ChatGPT
"G cannot be proven within F" means that G is not derivable or
deducible from the axioms and inference rules of F, or that there
is no proof of G within the formal system F. It does not
necessarily mean that G is not connected to expressions of the
language of F that are stipulated to be true, but it implies that G
is not provable using the methods and rules of the formal system F.

olcott
There is no connection in F from G, thus G is not true in F.

ChatGPT
Correct, according to the argument you have presented. The
statement "G cannot be proven within F" implies that there is no
way to establish a connection from G to expressions of the language
of F that have been stipulated to be true, using only
truth-preserving operations. Therefore, according to this argument,
G is not considered true in F. This is related to Gödel's
incompleteness theorems, which state that any consistent formal
system that is powerful enough to express basic arithmetic will
contain statements that cannot be proven within that system but are
true.

And you think an AI's answer for this is meaningful?

It was able to become better at its use of reasoning as the dialogue
progressed. *It continued to understand this*

Every analytical expression X of formal or natural language L that is
true always requires a connection from X using truth preserving
operations to the expressions of L that have been stipulated to be true
otherwise X is untrue. [Copyright 2022 PL Olcott]

All it is showing is that you don't have natural intelegence.

In other words you found no actual mistake thus resort to ad hominem.

Nope. You make a vacous claim and base yourself on the falacy of appeal
to athorithy, especially when your "athority" isn't one, proves you
don't understand what yoy are talking about.

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