• Re: Infinitely Recursive input on HP Proofs

    From olcott@21:1/5 to peteolcott on Mon Sep 27 13:23:07 2021
    XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math

    On 3/11/2017 3:13 PM, peteolcott wrote:
    http://LiarParadox.org/HP_Infinite_Recursion.pdf

    As this page 319 of An Introduction to Formal Languages and Automata
    by Peter Linz 1990 indicates

    From H' we construct another Turing machine H-Hat. This new machine takes as input Wm, copies it then behaves exactly like H'.

    q0 Wm |-* H-Hat q0 Wm Wm...

    Page 320 indicates that we apply H-Hat to itself as input.

    The problem is that every H-Hat needs a pair of inputs.

    H-Hat takes an H-Hat as input and copies it so that it
    can analyze how its input H-hat would analyze the copy
    of H-Hat that it just made.

    The input H-Hat would have to copy its own input H-Hat
    so that it can analyze what its own input H-Hat would
    do on its own input, on and on forever...

    Copyright 2016 and 2017 Pete Olcott.


    This post is my earliest USENET post regarding this key insight:

    The halting theorem counter-examples present infinitely nested
    simulation (non-halting) behavior to every simulating halt decider.

    Here is the original published reference (August 2016) to this same idea:

    It looks like the original specification provided
    in the Linz text may be infinitely recursive in that
    each TM requires its own input. We fix this by providing
    simple input that definitely halts.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307509556_Self_Modifying_Turing_Machine_SMTM_Solution_to_the_Halting_Problem_concrete_example


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