• Re: Experts would agree that my reviewers are incorrect [ brain-dead mo

    From olcott@21:1/5 to Dennis Bush on Wed May 25 14:44:20 2022
    XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math

    On 5/25/2022 1:42 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:38:40 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 1:36 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:34:42 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 1:28 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:20:41 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 10:01 AM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 9:35 AM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-4, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 9:20 AM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-4, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 6:01 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/24/22 11:00 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/24/22 10:50 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:39 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:34:43 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2022 9:30 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:28:14 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:20 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:16:10 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:08 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:03:59 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 8:56 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:33:19 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 8:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    On 5/24/22 5:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2022 4:27 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 16:12:13 -0500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <No...@NoWhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    On 5/24/2022 3:54 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 09:40:02 -0500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <No...@NoWhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the recent discussions are simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreement with an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily verifiable fact. Any smart software engineer
    with a
    sufficient technical background can easily confirm
    that H(P,P)==0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is correct:

    Where H is a C function that correctly emulates its
    input pair of
    finite strings of the x86 machine code of function P
    and criterion
    for returning 0 is that the simulated P would never
    reach its "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction.

    The only reason P "never" reaches its "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction is because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have introduced an infinite recursion that does
    not exist in
    the proofs you are trying to refute, i.e. your H is
    erroneous.

    /Flibble

    For the time being I am only referring to when the C
    function named H
    determines whether ore not its correct x86 emulation
    of the machine
    language of P would ever reach the "ret" instruction
    of P in 0 to
    infinity number of steps of correct x86 emulation.

    You can't have it both ways: either H is supposed to be
    a decider or it
    isn't; if it is a decider then it fails at that as you
    have introduced
    an infinite recursion; if it isn't a decider and is
    merely a tool for
    refuting the proofs then it fails at that too as the
    proofs you are
    trying to refute do not contain an infinite recursion.

    /Flibble


    You have to actually stick with the words that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually said as the
    basis of any rebuttal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It is an easily verified fact that the correct x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation of the
    input to H(P,P) would never reach the "ret" instruction
    of P in 0 to
    infinity steps of the correct x86 emulation of P by H.

    Since you have posted a trace which shows this happening,
    you know this
    is a lie.

    Yes, H can't simulate to there, but a CORRECT simulator can.
    H makes no mistakes in its simulation. Every instruction
    that H
    simulates is exactly what the x86 source-code for P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifies.

    Ha3(N,5) makes no mistakes in its simulation. Every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction that Ha3 simulates is exactly what the x86
    source code for N specifies. Therefore, according to you,
    Ha3(N,5)==0 is correct.

    Oh, you disagree? Then the fact that Ha makes no mistakes
    in its simulation doesn't mean that it's correct. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The only possible way for a simulator to actually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrect is that
    its simulation diverges from what the x86 source-code of P
    specifies.

    Or it aborts a halting computation, incorrectly thinking
    that it is a non-halting computation. Which is exactly what
    happens with Ha(Pa,Pa).


    That Simulate(P,P) does not have the same halting behavior
    as the
    correct simulation of the input to H(P,P) does not mean
    that either one
    of them is incorrect.

    Ha(Pa,Pa), by the definition of the halting problem, does
    not perform a correct simulation of its input. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is an easily verified fact that the correct x86 emulation
    of the
    input to H(P,P) would never reach the "ret" instruction of P

    It is an easily verified fact that Ha(Pa,Pa)==0 is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct because it aborts too soon as demonstrated by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hb(Pa,Pa)==1
    By this same despicable liar reasoning we can know that Fluffy
    is not
    a white cat entirely on the basis that Rover is a black dog.

    It is the actual behavior that the x86 source-code of P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifies to
    H(P,P) and H1(P,P)
    that determines whether or not its simulation by H >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and H1 is correct.

    Then by this same logic you agree that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You continue to be a liar.

    So no rebuttal, which means you're unable to. Which means you
    admit I'm right.

    So what are you going to do with yourself now that you're no
    longer working on the halting problem?
    Escalate the review to a higher caliber reviewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Now that I have all of the objections boiled down to simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreeing
    with two verifiable facts higher caliber reviewers should confirm
    that I
    am correct.

    The verifiable fact that everyone (except you) can see is that
    Hb(Pa,Pa)==1 proves that Ha(Pa,Pa)==0 is wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Shows that they are not basing their decision on the execution trace
    that is actually specified by the x86 source-code of P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    There is no Ha(Pa,Pa) or Hb(Pa,Pa) these are actually named H(P,P)
    and H1(P,P). You can't even manage to tell the truth about the names
    of functions.


    The names really make that much difference?
    H(P,P) and H1(P,P) are fully operational C functions that can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> executed showing every detail of their correct simulation of their
    inputs.

    Ha(Pa,Pa) and Hb(Pa,Pa) are vague ideas that cannot possibly be pinned
    down to specifics. The only place that Dennis can hide his deception
    is in deliberate vagnueness.


    So, you don't understand what peeople are saying. For you it is just
    that you are right and others are wrong.
    Ha(Pa,Pa) is fully operational code named H(P,P)
    Hb(Pa,Pa) is fully operational code named H1(P,P)

    I can prove that the actual behavior of the correct x86 emulation of
    actual input to H(P,P) never reaches its "ret" instruction with a full
    execution trace of P.

    I can prove that the actual behavior of the correct x86 emulation of
    actual input to H1(P,P) reaches its "ret" instruction with a full >>>>>>>>>>>> execution trace of P.

    I can prove that both of these execution traces are correct on the basis
    of the behavior that is specified by the x86 source-code for P. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Now create Ha3, Ha7 and N, and produce traces of Ha3(N,5) and Ha7(N,5) and tell us what you see.

    If H(P,P) is proven to be correct then there is no need to look at >>>>>>>>>> anything else. I am not writing a paper about every program that can >>>>>>>>>> possibly ever be written. I am wring a paper about H(P,P). Once >>>>>>>>>> H(P,P)==0 is proven to be correct then all of the HP proof are refuted.

    If your proof of H(P,P)==0 being correct also concludes that Ha3(N,5)==0 is correct, then you have an invalid proof as it creates nonsense results.
    _P()
    [00001352](01) 55 push ebp
    [00001353](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
    [00001355](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
    [00001358](01) 50 push eax // push P
    [00001359](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
    [0000135c](01) 51 push ecx // push P
    [0000135d](05) e840feffff call 000011a2 // call H
    [00001362](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
    [00001365](02) 85c0 test eax,eax
    [00001367](02) 7402 jz 0000136b
    [00001369](02) ebfe jmp 00001369
    [0000136b](01) 5d pop ebp
    [0000136c](01) c3 ret
    Size in bytes:(0027) [0000136c]
    It is an easily verified fact that the correct x86 emulation of the >>>>>>>> input to H(P,P) would never reach the "ret" instruction of P in 0 to >>>>>>>> infinity steps of the correct x86 emulation of P by H.

    It is an easily verified fact that the correct x86 emulation of the input to Ha3(N,5) would never reach the "ret" instruction of N in 0 to infinity steps of the correct x86 emulation of N by Ha3.

    God damned liars always change the subject when they know that that have >>>>>> been correctly refuted.

    Wrong on both counts.
    Liar

    Then why am I wrong?
    It seems to me that you are wrong because you are hard-wired to be a liar.

    No explanation. That you means you admit that I'm right that Ha(Pa,Pa)==0 (which you refer to as H(P,P)==0) is wrong and that your last 18 years of work have been for naught.

    _P()
    [00001352](01) 55 push ebp
    [00001353](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
    [00001355](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
    [00001358](01) 50 push eax // push P
    [00001359](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
    [0000135c](01) 51 push ecx // push P
    [0000135d](05) e840feffff call 000011a2 // call H
    [00001362](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
    [00001365](02) 85c0 test eax,eax
    [00001367](02) 7402 jz 0000136b
    [00001369](02) ebfe jmp 00001369
    [0000136b](01) 5d pop ebp
    [0000136c](01) c3 ret
    Size in bytes:(0027) [0000136c]

    Any brain-dead moron knows that a correct x86 emulation of the input to
    H(P,P) would result in the first seven instructions of P being emulated.

    The same extremely stupid person would also know that when P calls
    H(P,P) that the same first seven instructions of P would be emulated again.

    It might take an actual moron (that is not brain dead) to be able to see
    that the correctly emulated P would never reach its “ret” instruction.



    --
    Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
    Genius hits a target no one else can see."
    Arthur Schopenhauer

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  • From olcott@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 25 14:46:04 2022
    XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math

    On 5/25/2022 2:44 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 1:42 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:38:40 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 1:36 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:34:42 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 1:28 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:20:41 PM UTC-4, olcott wrote:
    On 5/25/2022 10:01 AM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-4, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 9:35 AM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-4, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 9:20 AM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-4, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 6:01 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/24/22 11:00 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/24/22 10:50 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:39 PM, Dennis Bush wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:34:43 PM UTC-4, olcott >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:30 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:28:14 PM UTC-4, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:20 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:16:10 PM UTC-4, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 9:08 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:03:59 PM UTC-4, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 8:56 PM, Dennis Bush wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:33:19 PM UTC-4, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott wrote:
    On 5/24/2022 8:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    On 5/24/22 5:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2022 4:27 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 16:12:13 -0500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <No...@NoWhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    On 5/24/2022 3:54 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 09:40:02 -0500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <No...@NoWhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the recent discussions are simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreement with an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily verifiable fact. Any smart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software engineer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
    sufficient technical background can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily confirm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that H(P,P)==0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is correct:

    Where H is a C function that correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulates its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input pair of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finite strings of the x86 machine code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of function P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and criterion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for returning 0 is that the simulated P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never
    reach its "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction.

    The only reason P "never" reaches its "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction is because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have introduced an infinite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recursion that does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not exist in
    the proofs you are trying to refute, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. your H is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erroneous.

    /Flibble

    For the time being I am only referring to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the C
    function named H >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determines whether ore not its correct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x86 emulation
    of the machine
    language of P would ever reach the "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction
    of P in 0 to
    infinity number of steps of correct x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation.

    You can't have it both ways: either H is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be
    a decider or it
    isn't; if it is a decider then it fails at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that as you
    have introduced
    an infinite recursion; if it isn't a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decider and is
    merely a tool for
    refuting the proofs then it fails at that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too as the
    proofs you are
    trying to refute do not contain an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infinite recursion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    /Flibble


    You have to actually stick with the words >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
    actually said as the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis of any rebuttal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It is an easily verified fact that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct x86
    emulation of the
    input to H(P,P) would never reach the "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction
    of P in 0 to
    infinity steps of the correct x86 emulation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of P by H.

    Since you have posted a trace which shows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this happening,
    you know this
    is a lie.

    Yes, H can't simulate to there, but a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CORRECT simulator can.
    H makes no mistakes in its simulation. Every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction
    that H
    simulates is exactly what the x86 source-code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for P
    specifies.

    Ha3(N,5) makes no mistakes in its simulation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every
    instruction that Ha3 simulates is exactly what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the x86
    source code for N specifies. Therefore, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to you,
    Ha3(N,5)==0 is correct.

    Oh, you disagree? Then the fact that Ha makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no mistakes
    in its simulation doesn't mean that it's correct. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The only possible way for a simulator to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually be
    incorrect is that
    its simulation diverges from what the x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source-code of P
    specifies.

    Or it aborts a halting computation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrectly thinking
    that it is a non-halting computation. Which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what
    happens with Ha(Pa,Pa).


    That Simulate(P,P) does not have the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halting behavior
    as the
    correct simulation of the input to H(P,P) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not mean
    that either one
    of them is incorrect.

    Ha(Pa,Pa), by the definition of the halting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, does
    not perform a correct simulation of its input. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is an easily verified fact that the correct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x86 emulation
    of the
    input to H(P,P) would never reach the "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction of P

    It is an easily verified fact that Ha(Pa,Pa)==0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not
    correct because it aborts too soon as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated by
    Hb(Pa,Pa)==1
    By this same despicable liar reasoning we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that Fluffy
    is not
    a white cat entirely on the basis that Rover is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black dog.

    It is the actual behavior that the x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source-code of P
    specifies to
    H(P,P) and H1(P,P)
    that determines whether or not its simulation by H >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and H1 is correct.

    Then by this same logic you agree that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You continue to be a liar.

    So no rebuttal, which means you're unable to. Which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means you
    admit I'm right.

    So what are you going to do with yourself now that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're no
    longer working on the halting problem?
    Escalate the review to a higher caliber reviewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Now that I have all of the objections boiled down to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply
    disagreeing
    with two verifiable facts higher caliber reviewers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should confirm
    that I
    am correct.

    The verifiable fact that everyone (except you) can see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that
    Hb(Pa,Pa)==1 proves that Ha(Pa,Pa)==0 is wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Shows that they are not basing their decision on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> execution trace
    that is actually specified by the x86 source-code of P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    There is no Ha(Pa,Pa) or Hb(Pa,Pa) these are actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> named H(P,P)
    and H1(P,P). You can't even manage to tell the truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the names
    of functions.


    The names really make that much difference?
    H(P,P) and H1(P,P) are fully operational C functions that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
    executed showing every detail of their correct simulation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their
    inputs.

    Ha(Pa,Pa) and Hb(Pa,Pa) are vague ideas that cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly be pinned
    down to specifics. The only place that Dennis can hide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his deception
    is in deliberate vagnueness.


    So, you don't understand what peeople are saying. For you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is just
    that you are right and others are wrong.
    Ha(Pa,Pa) is fully operational code named H(P,P)
    Hb(Pa,Pa) is fully operational code named H1(P,P)

    I can prove that the actual behavior of the correct x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation of
    actual input to H(P,P) never reaches its "ret" instruction >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a full
    execution trace of P.

    I can prove that the actual behavior of the correct x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation of
    actual input to H1(P,P) reaches its "ret" instruction with >>>>>>>>>>>>> a full
    execution trace of P.

    I can prove that both of these execution traces are correct >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis
    of the behavior that is specified by the x86 source-code >>>>>>>>>>>>> for P.

    Now create Ha3, Ha7 and N, and produce traces of Ha3(N,5) >>>>>>>>>>>> and Ha7(N,5) and tell us what you see.

    If H(P,P) is proven to be correct then there is no need to >>>>>>>>>>> look at
    anything else. I am not writing a paper about every program >>>>>>>>>>> that can
    possibly ever be written. I am wring a paper about H(P,P). Once >>>>>>>>>>> H(P,P)==0 is proven to be correct then all of the HP proof >>>>>>>>>>> are refuted.

    If your proof of H(P,P)==0 being correct also concludes that >>>>>>>>>> Ha3(N,5)==0 is correct, then you have an invalid proof as it >>>>>>>>>> creates nonsense results.
    _P()
    [00001352](01) 55 push ebp
    [00001353](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
    [00001355](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
    [00001358](01) 50 push eax // push P
    [00001359](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
    [0000135c](01) 51 push ecx // push P
    [0000135d](05) e840feffff call 000011a2 // call H
    [00001362](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
    [00001365](02) 85c0 test eax,eax
    [00001367](02) 7402 jz 0000136b
    [00001369](02) ebfe jmp 00001369
    [0000136b](01) 5d pop ebp
    [0000136c](01) c3 ret
    Size in bytes:(0027) [0000136c]
    It is an easily verified fact that the correct x86 emulation of >>>>>>>>> the
    input to H(P,P) would never reach the "ret" instruction of P in >>>>>>>>> 0 to
    infinity steps of the correct x86 emulation of P by H.

    It is an easily verified fact that the correct x86 emulation of >>>>>>>> the input to Ha3(N,5) would never reach the "ret" instruction of >>>>>>>> N in 0 to infinity steps of the correct x86 emulation of N by Ha3. >>>>>>>>
    God damned liars always change the subject when they know that
    that have
    been correctly refuted.

    Wrong on both counts.
    Liar

    Then why am I wrong?
    It seems to me that you are wrong because you are hard-wired to be a
    liar.

    No explanation.  That you means you admit that I'm right that
    Ha(Pa,Pa)==0 (which you refer to as H(P,P)==0) is wrong and that your
    last 18 years of work have been for naught.

    _P()
    [00001352](01)  55              push ebp
    [00001353](02)  8bec            mov ebp,esp
    [00001355](03)  8b4508          mov eax,[ebp+08]
    [00001358](01)  50              push eax      // push P [00001359](03)  8b4d08          mov ecx,[ebp+08]
    [0000135c](01)  51              push ecx      // push P [0000135d](05)  e840feffff      call 000011a2 // call H [00001362](03)  83c408          add esp,+08
    [00001365](02)  85c0            test eax,eax
    [00001367](02)  7402            jz 0000136b
    [00001369](02)  ebfe            jmp 00001369
    [0000136b](01)  5d              pop ebp
    [0000136c](01)  c3              ret
    Size in bytes:(0027) [0000136c]

    Any brain-dead moron knows that a correct x86 emulation of the input to H(P,P) would result in the first seven instructions of P being emulated.

    The same extremely stupid person would also know that when P calls
    H(P,P) that the same first seven instructions of P would be emulated again.


    It might take an actual moron (that is not brain dead) to be able to see
    that the correctly emulated input to H(P,P) would never reach its “ret” instruction.



    --
    Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
    Genius hits a target no one else can see."
    Arthur Schopenhauer

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