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On 5/23/22 9:52 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2022 8:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/22 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2022 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/22 9:01 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2022 7:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/22 7:50 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2022 6:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/22 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2022 1:52 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

A simple multiple choice question for Olcott:

All things being equal which is more likely:

(a) Olcott is correct and everybody else is incorrect
(b) Olcott is incorrect and everybody else is correct

?

/Flibble

Believability has the word [lie] embedded directly within itself. >>>>>>>>> Instead of the fake measure of credibility one must employ
actual validation.

Actual validation conclusively proves that H(P,P)==0
is correct. This means that everyone that disagrees is either >>>>>>>>> insufficiently technically competent or a liar.

You consider that H(P,P) == 0 is correct when P(P) halts, when >>>>>>>> that is the DEFINITION of what H(P,P) is supposed to be answering? >>>>>>> The C function H correctly determines that there are no number of >>>>>>> steps (0 to infinity) of its correct simulation of its input: a

pair of pointers to finite strings of x86 machine language that
would ever reach the last instruction of this input.

Wrong.

I have show a CORRECT simulation of the input to H(P,P) that shows >>>>>> it reaching the final state, as have YOU.

That is a despicable lie and you know it.
You are an atheist right?

What is wrong with it. What do YOU define a "Correct Simulation" to
be, other than that which simualtes to program that it is simulating?

It is a God damned lie and you know it.
That is the only thing that is wrong with it.

(Note, PROGRAM)

No concern what-so-ever with the eternal incineration of
Revelations 21:8 for lying because you simply don't believe that
mumbo jumbo, right?

YOU are the one that needs to worry about it. I am following the
definitions of what things are.

You know that you are not following the definition of the x86
langugae. Why lie does that give you A thrill?

No, YOU violate it by making a call instruction not be traced to the
location it is called.

What error have I made about the x86 language, be specific YOU will be
guilty of lying.

I have show a CORRECT simulation of the input to H(P,P) that shows
it reaching the final state, as have YOU.

What do you define as a CORRECT simulation?

What was wrong with what I said as a Correct Simulation (or what you
published)

YOU DID publish such a trace (see below)


On 4/27/21 12:55 AM, olcott wrote:
Message-ID: <Teudndbu59GVBBr9nZ2dnUU7-V2dnZ2d@giganews.com>

void H_Hat(u32 P)
{
u32 Input_Halts = Halts(P, P);
if (Input_Halts)
HERE: goto HERE;
}

int main()
{
H_Hat((u32)H_Hat);
}

_H_Hat()
[00000b98](01) 55 push ebp
[00000b99](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp

[00000b9b](01) 51 push ecx

[00000b9c](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000b9f](01) 50 push eax
[00000ba0](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000ba3](01) 51 push ecx
[00000ba4](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
[00000ba9](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
[00000bac](03) 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax
[00000baf](04) 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[00000bb3](02) 7402 jz 00000bb7
[00000bb5](02) ebfe jmp 00000bb5
[00000bb7](02) 8be5 mov esp,ebp
[00000bb9](01) 5d pop ebp
[00000bba](01) c3 ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00000bba]

_main()
[00000bc8](01) 55 push ebp
[00000bc9](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
[00000bcb](05) 68980b0000 push 00000b98
[00000bd0](05) e8c3ffffff call 00000b98
[00000bd5](03) 83c404 add esp,+04
[00000bd8](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax
[00000bda](01) 5d pop ebp
[00000bdb](01) c3 ret
Size in bytes:(0020) [00000bdb]

===============================
...[00000bc8][001015d4][00000000](01) 55 push ebp ...[00000bc9][001015d4][00000000](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp ...[00000bcb][001015d0][00000b98](05) 68980b0000 push 00000b98 ...[00000bd0][001015cc][00000bd5](05) e8c3ffffff call 00000b98 ...[00000b98][001015c8][001015d4](01) 55 push ebp ...[00000b99][001015c8][001015d4](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp ...[00000b9b][001015c4][00000000](01) 51 push ecx ...[00000b9c][001015c4][00000000](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] ...[00000b9f][001015c0][00000b98](01) 50 push eax ...[00000ba0][001015c0][00000b98](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] ...[00000ba3][001015bc][00000b98](01) 51 push ecx ...[00000ba4][001015b8][00000ba9](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation at Machine Address:b98 ...[00000b98][00211674][00211678](01) 55 push ebp ...[00000b99][00211674][00211678](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp ...[00000b9b][00211670][00201644](01) 51 push ecx ...[00000b9c][00211670][00201644](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] ...[00000b9f][0021166c][00000b98](01) 50 push eax ...[00000ba0][0021166c][00000b98](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] ...[00000ba3][00211668][00000b98](01) 51 push ecx ...[00000ba4][00211664][00000ba9](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938 ...[00000b98][0025c09c][0025c0a0](01) 55 push ebp ...[00000b99][0025c09c][0025c0a0](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp ...[00000b9b][0025c098][0024c06c](01) 51 push ecx ...[00000b9c][0025c098][0024c06c](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] ...[00000b9f][0025c094][00000b98](01) 50 push eax ...[00000ba0][0025c094][00000b98](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] ...[00000ba3][0025c090][00000b98](01) 51 push ecx ...[00000ba4][0025c08c][00000ba9](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped

Above decision was from the call the Halts inside H_Hat, deciding that H_Hat(H_Hat) seems to be non-halting, it then returns that answer and is processed below:

...[00000ba9][001015c4][00000000](03) 83c408 add esp,+08 ...[00000bac][001015c4][00000000](03) 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax ...[00000baf][001015c4][00000000](04) 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 ...[00000bb3][001015c4][00000000](02) 7402 jz 00000bb7 ...[00000bb7][001015c8][001015d4](02) 8be5 mov esp,ebp ...[00000bb9][001015cc][00000bd5](01) 5d pop ebp ...[00000bba][001015d0][00000b98](01) c3 ret ...[00000bd5][001015d4][00000000](03) 83c404 add esp,+04 ...[00000bd8][001015d4][00000000](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax ...[00000bda][001015d8][00100000](01) 5d pop ebp ...[00000bdb][001015dc][00000098](01) c3 ret

SEE IT HALTED!

Number_of_User_Instructions(39)
Number of Instructions Executed(26567)

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