• Re: On the halting problem (reprise #2) [ truth bearers ]

    From olcott@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Fri Apr 29 13:39:59 2022
    XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math

    On 4/29/2022 9:07 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    A proof of an erroneous theory is, by implication, also erroneous. The halting problem as stated is erroneous ergo all currently extant
    halting problem proofs are, by implication, also erroneous and do not
    require formal refutation to be considered invalid.

    Fix the halting problem itself before trying to refute Olcott, you
    shower.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

    /Flibble


    You are not using the conventional computer science terminology exactly correctly, yet the gist of what you are saying is exactly correct:
    category error.

    The exact same issue arises with Gödel's 1931 Incompleteness theorem and
    the 1936 Tarski Undefinability theorem.

    https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_247_248.pdf https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf

    Tarski "proved" that the notion of truth cannot be mathematically
    formalized entirely on the basis that he could not prove that the liar
    paradox is true. It never occurred to Tarski that the Liar Paradox is
    not a truth bearer. I had to define "truth bearer" myself because all of
    the existing definitions are pretty crappy.


    *Expressions of (formal or natural) language that can possibly be
    resolved to a truth value* are [truth bearers].

    There are only two ways that an expression of language can be resolved
    to a truth value:
    (1) An expression of language is assigned a truth value such as "cats
    are animals" is defined to be true.

    (2) Truth preserving operations are applied to expressions of language
    that are known to be true. {cats are animals} and {animals are living
    things} therefore {cats are living things}. copyright 2021 PL Olcott

    The above only focuses on analytic truth (verified as true entirely on
    the basis of the meaning of the expression of language) and thus
    excludes empirical truth that requires sense data from the sense organs.


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    Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
    Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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