• Re: Bill Clinton Denied George Bush Intelligence Information - Look Wha

    From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Fri Mar 22 13:04:40 2024
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    On 2024-03-22 05:43, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 07:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Email Consulting says...


    Bill Clinton withheld critical intelligence information involving the
    Middle East and it resulted in an attack on the USA.

    9/11 was Bill Clinton's fault all around.

    Bush had been president for more than 8 months, so how do you figure
    that, loser?


    (1) Condi's incompetence cost us 3500 lives at the WTC

    That is a lie. That's Clinton's puppy. The Bush administration was in
    office a mere 8 months before the planes struck the towers, piloted by
    Saudi Muslim nationals.

    A "mere" 8 months, loser?

    8 months to be briefed on everything that was a threat to the US?


    Bush wasn't even a twinkle in Usama's eye, when he made plans to "bomb" The WTC.

    You don't plan, get people trained and license pilots in that short span
    of time, dumbass.

    And the Bush administration got LOTS of intelligence about the threat
    LONG before the attack, AND that intelligence made it all the way to Bush:

    'The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack
    began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency
    told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation.'

    'And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed.
    Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including
    major casualties.'

    'On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but
    “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the
    planned assault was on track.'

    'Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at
    the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at
    a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the
    staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible
    when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in
    interviews. '

    'On July 24, Mr. Bush was notified that the attack was still being
    readied, but that it had been postponed, perhaps by a few months.'

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20131008113922/http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html>

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Mar 23 00:10:59 2024
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    On 2024-03-23 04:44:06 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:59:17 -0500, super70s says...

    Clinton explicitly warned the incoming administration about threats
    from Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden, this isn't even debatable.

    Please provide, IN DETAIL, these "explicit" warnings of threats YOU say Clinton, provided.

    You've been provided with that information....

    By Philip Shenon
    The New York Times
    March 20, 2004

    Senior Clinton administration officials called to testify next week
    before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks
    say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration counterparts in late 2000 that Al Qaeda posed the worst
    security threat facing the nation -- and how the new administration was
    slow to act.

    They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election
    intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for
    Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser;
    Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member
    of the Bush transition team, among others.

    One official scheduled to testify, Richard A. Clarke, who was President
    Bill Clinton's counterterrorism coordinator, said in an interview that
    the warning about the Qaeda threat could not have been made more
    bluntly to the incoming Bush officials in intelligence briefings that
    he led.

    At the time of the briefings, there was extensive evidence tying Al
    Qaeda to the bombing in Yemen two months earlier of an American
    warship, the Cole, in which 17 sailors were killed.

    ''It was very explicit,'' Mr. Clarke said of the warning given to the
    Bush administration officials. ''Rice was briefed, and Hadley was
    briefed, and Zelikow sat in.'' Mr. Clarke served as Mr. Bush's
    counterterrorism chief in the early months of the administration, but
    after Sept. 11 was given a more limited portfolio as the president's cyberterrorism adviser.

    The sworn testimony from the high-ranking Clinton administration
    officials -- including Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright,
    Defense Secretary William S. Cohen and Samuel R. Berger, Mr. Clinton's
    national security adviser -- is scheduled for Tuesday and Wednesday.


    Now why don't you provide -- "IN DETAIL" -- that Dubya took that
    intelligence or any other warnings seriously, asshat?

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Mar 23 02:22:57 2024
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    On 2024-03-23 05:34:02 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 00:10:59 -0500, super70s says...

    say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration

    No details, and that was them just saying they were "prepared" to do so.

    Here's all the details about Dubya being warned you could want but I
    don't expect you to read them, so some highlights for everyone else....

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/24/bn.00.html

    RICHARD A. CLARKE: My impression was that fighting terrorism, in
    general, and fighting al Qaeda, in particular, were an extraordinarily
    high priority in the Clinton administration -- certainly no higher
    priority. There were priorities probably of equal importance such as the
    Middle East peace process, but I certainly don't know of one that was
    any higher in the priority of that administration.

    ROEMER: With respect to the Bush administration, from the time they took
    office until September 11th, 2001, you had much to deal with: Russia,
    China, G-8, Middle East. How high a priority was fighting al Qaeda in
    the Bush administration?

    CLARKE: I believe the Bush administration in the first eight months
    considered terrorism an important issue, but not an urgent issue.

    Well, president Bush himself says as much in his interview with Bob
    Woodward in the book "Bush at War." He said, "I didn't feel a sense of urgency."

    CLARKE: My impression was that fighting terrorism, in general, and
    fighting al Qaeda, in particular, were an extraordinarily high priority
    in the Clinton administration -- certainly no higher priority. There
    were priorities probably of equal importance such as the Middle East
    peace process, but I certainly don't know of one that was any higher in
    the priority of that administration.

    ROEMER: With respect to the Bush administration, from the time they took
    office until September 11th, 2001, you had much to deal with: Russia,
    China, G-8, Middle East. How high a priority was fighting al Qaeda in
    the Bush administration?

    CLARKE: I believe the Bush administration in the first eight months
    considered terrorism an important issue, but not an urgent issue.

    Well, president Bush himself says as much in his interview with Bob
    Woodward in the book "Bush at War." He said, "I didn't feel a sense of urgency."


    ROEMER: OK. With my 15 minutes, let's move into the Bush administration.

    On January 25th, we've seen a memo that you've written to Dr. Rice
    urgently asking for a principals' review of al Qaeda. You include
    helping the Northern Alliance, covert aid, significant new '02 budget
    authority to help fight al Qaeda and a response to the USS Cole. You
    attach to this document both the Delenda Plan of 1998 and a strategy
    paper from December 2000.

    Do you get a response to this urgent request for a principals meeting on
    these? And how does this affect your time frame for dealing with these important issues?

    CLARKE: I did get a response, and the response was that in the Bush administration I should, and my committee, counterterrorism security
    group, should report to the deputies committee, which is a sub-Cabinet
    level committee, and not to the principals and that, therefore, it was inappropriate for me to be asking for a principals' meeting. Instead,
    there would be a deputies meeting.

    ROEMER: So does this slow the process down to go to the deputies rather
    than to the principals or a small group as you had previously done?

    CLARKE: It slowed it down enormously, by months. First of all, the
    deputies committee didn't meet urgently in January or February.

    Then when the deputies committee did meet, it took the issue of al Qaeda
    as part of a cluster of policy issues, including nuclear proliferation
    in South Asia, democratization in Pakistan, how to treat the various
    problems, including narcotics and other problems in Afghanistan, and
    launched on a series of deputies meetings extending over several months
    to address al Qaeda in the context of all of those inter-related issues.

    That process probably ended, I think in July of 2001. So we were ready
    for a principals meeting in July. But the principals calendar was full
    and then they went on vacation, many of them in August, so we couldn't
    meet in August, and therefore the principals met in September.

    ROEMER: So as the Bush administration is carefully considering from
    bottom up a full review of fighting terrorism, what happens to these
    individual items like a response to the USS Cole, flying the Predator?
    Why aren't these decided in a shorter time frame as they're also going
    through a larger policy review of how this policy affects Pakistan and
    other countries -- important considerations, but why can't you do both?

    CLARKE: The deputies committee, its chairman, Mr. Hadley, and others
    thought that all these issues were sufficiently inter-related, that they
    should be taken up as a set of issues, and pieces of them should not be
    broken off.

    ROEMER: Did you agree with that?

    CLARKE: No, I didn't agree with much of that. ROEMER: Were you
    frustrated by this process?

    CLARKE: I was sufficiently frustrated that I asked to be reassigned.

    ROEMER: When was this?

    CLARKE: Probably May or June. Certainly no later than June.

    And there was agreement in that time frame, in the May or June time
    frame, that my request would be honored and I would be reassigned on the
    1st of October to a new position to deal with cybersecurity, a position
    that I requested be created.

    ROEMER: So you're saying that the frustration got to a high enough level
    that it wasn't your portfolio, it wasn't doing a lot of things at the
    same time, it was that you weren't getting fast enough action on what
    you were requesting?

    CLARKE: That's right.

    My view was that this administration, while it listened to me, didn't
    either believe me that there was an urgent problem or was unprepared to
    act as though there were an urgent problem.

    And I thought, if the administration doesn't believe its national
    coordinator for counterterrorism when he says there's an urgent problem
    and if it's unprepared to act as though there's an urgent problem, then probably I should get another job.

    I thought cybersecurity was and I still think cyber security is an extraordinary important issue for which this country is very
    underprepared. And I thought perhaps I could make a contribution if I
    worked full time on that issue.

    Now why don't you proved -- "IN DETAIL" -- that Dubya took that intelligence or any other warnings seriously, asshat?

    Never expected a reply and I didn't get one.

    <usual extraneous alligator shit snipped>

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Mar 23 12:37:27 2024
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    On 2024-03-23 13:09:35 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 02:22:57 -0500, super70s says...


    On 2024-03-23 05:34:02 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 00:10:59 -0500, super70s says...

    say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush
    administration

    No details, and that was them just saying they were "prepared" to do so.

    Here's all the details about Dubya being warned you could want but I
    don't expect you to read them, so some highlights for everyone else....

    RICHARD A. CLARKE: My impression was that fighting terrorism, in
    general, and fighting al Qaeda, in particular, were an extraordinarily
    high priority in the Clinton administration -- certainly no higher
    priority. There were priorities probably of equal importance such as the
    Middle East peace process, but I certainly don't know of one that was
    any higher in the priority of that administration.

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    ROEMER: With respect to the Bush administration, from the time they took
    office until September 11th, 2001, you had much to deal with: Russia,
    China, G-8, Middle East. How high a priority was fighting al Qaeda in
    the Bush administration?

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    CLARKE: I believe the Bush administration in the first eight months
    considered terrorism an important issue, but not an urgent issue.

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    Well, president Bush himself says as much in his interview with Bob
    Woodward in the book "Bush at War." He said, "I didn't feel a sense of
    urgency."

    Because NO ONE told him about bin Laden's plans. HOW do you defend against something that was being planned during the Clinton administration?

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    CLARKE: My impression

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    was that fighting terrorism, in general, and
    fighting al Qaeda, in particular, were an extraordinarily high priority
    in the Clinton administration

    But no stopping bin Laden, who WAS known to having ill feelings of America at the time.

    -- certainly no higher priority. There
    were priorities probably of equal importance such as the Middle East
    peace process, but I certainly don't know of one that was any higher in
    the priority of that administration.

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    ROEMER: With respect to the Bush administration, from the time they took
    office until September 11th, 2001, you had much to deal with: Russia,
    China, G-8, Middle East. How high a priority was fighting al Qaeda in
    the Bush administration?

    Questions without answers.

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    CLARKE: I believe the Bush administration in the first eight months
    considered terrorism an important issue, but not an urgent issue.

    Maybe if Clinton had told Bush about bin Laden's plans, the urgency might have
    been ratcheted up? HOW do you defend against something that was being planned during the Clinton administration?

    Not ONE detail on 9/11 and bin Laden's plans. Clinton's puppy.

    Well, president Bush himself says as much in his interview with Bob
    Woodward in the book "Bush at War." He said, "I didn't feel a sense of
    urgency."

    Because NO ONE told him about bin Laden's plans. HOW do you defend against something that was being planned during the Clinton administration?

    Heh, the kind of SHIT TALK I expected, nothing's going to satisfy you
    about how Dubya screwed the pooch on 9/11 by ignoring warnings from the previous administration so I'm not wasting any more time on you.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Mar 23 14:48:45 2024
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    On 2024-03-23 13:09:36 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 02:22:57 -0500, super70s says...

    RICHARD A. CLARKE: My impression

    BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Not ONE detail... just opinion from some guy.

    You still haven't even attempted to give us any DETAILS about how Dubya
    took warnings about al Qaeda from Clinton seriously so how about some
    DETAILS, DETAILS boy?

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Mar 23 22:00:31 2024
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    On 2024-03-24 00:44:07 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 14:48:45 -0500, super70s says...


    On 2024-03-23 13:09:36 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 02:22:57 -0500, super70s says...

    RICHARD A. CLARKE: My impression

    BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>>
    Not ONE detail... just opinion from some guy.

    You still haven't even attempted to give us any DETAILS about how Dubya
    took warnings about al Qaeda from Clinton seriously so how about some
    DETAILS, DETAILS boy?

    Can't prove a negative... stupid.

    You need to prove a positive, moron.

    Like what proactive measures did the Bush administration take to
    prevent a 9/11 -- warnings or not?

    Tell us those DETAILS here:_____________________, DETAILS boy.

    Cheney was throwing an energy pow-wow in the White House on the day
    9/11 happened and Bush was down in Florida reading to kindergartners.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Mar 23 23:01:21 2024
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    On 2024-03-24 03:08:08 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 22:00:31 -0500, super70s says...

    Like what proactive measures did the Bush administration take to
    prevent a 9/11 -- warnings or not?

    Like what proactive measures did the Clinton administration take to
    prevent a 9/11?

    Obviously... none.

    9/11 happened on Jr.'s watch, doofus. Well into it as a matter of fact.

    And Bush was warned by Clinton repeatedly and explicitly before the
    former was sworn in.

    And you have no DETAILS of proactive measures Bush took to prevent a
    9/11, obviously.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Mar 24 18:06:07 2024
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    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:u6e00jd1p90sgbrlmp3igp1j7dkqgmqtbs@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 23:01:21 -0500, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-24 03:08:08 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 22:00:31 -0500, super70s says...

    Like what proactive measures did the Bush administration take to
    prevent a 9/11 -- warnings or not?

    Like what proactive measures did the Clinton administration take to
    prevent a 9/11?

    Obviously... none.

    9/11 happened on Jr.'s watch, doofus. Well into it as a matter of
    fact.

    And Bush was warned by Clinton repeatedly and explicitly before the
    former was sworn in.

    And you have no DETAILS of proactive measures Bush took to prevent a
    9/11, obviously.

    "A common claim among conspiracy theorists is that the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) issued a stand down order or
    deliberately scrambled fighters late to allow the hijacked airplanes
    to reach their targets without interference. According to this theory,
    NORAD had the capability of locating and intercepting planes on 9/11,
    and its failure to do so indicates a government conspiracy to allow
    the attacks to occur." <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories>

    It's so obvious the Bush administration was culpable of enabling if
    not outright assisting the 9/11 hijackers. I'm surprised the
    conspiracy minded paranoiacs on the right have forgotten that!

    There are several proofs that the Jooz had something to do with it.

    The Saudis did it (probably in league with the Jooz). This is clearly
    true since 15 of the hijackers were Saudi nationals and SA had refused
    to arrest Bin Laden before the attacks.

    The towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Only with
    government collusion could such a thing have ever happened as it would
    have taken weeks, even months to properly wire the buildings.

    Flight 77 never crashed into the Pentagon. The building was hit with
    a US military missile. Flight 77 was rerouted to Indiana, its
    passengers sworn to secrecy and enrolled in a '"witness protection
    program" or killed by the government if they refused.


    Someone once did an inverse
    ratio graph of how long a conspiracy
    of silence can last versus how many
    people are in the conspiracy.

    For instance the "faked moon
    landing" conspiracy would require
    the sworn silence of over 400,000
    people, a logistical impossibility.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sun Mar 24 20:32:50 2024
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    On 2024-03-24 12:32:48 +0000, AlleyCat said:

    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 03:51:39 -0500, super70s says...

    "That process probably ended, I think in July of 2001.

    Jr. was warned about terrorist threats

    Was he warned about bin Laden and his plan to fly planes into the Twin Towers?
    Do you think YOU could plan all that in the few days Bush had been "warned" of
    OTHER terrorism that MIGHT be being planned?

    Jabber on with mindless claptrap after you've been debated into a
    corner, nobody expects any less.

    I've never heard of ANYONE in the Clinton administration warning Bush of bin Laden's plan.

    Well that shows how uninformed you are doesn't it.

    Bush was warned that al Queda could be planning some kind of an attack
    in the US, that's all Clinton or anyone in his administration could
    have done.

    You don't have the foggiest idea exactly when it was "planned."

    Do you? Then YOU don't have the right to tell me I don't.

    You have every right to pull lies out of your silly ass, but nobody's
    believing them.

    Unless you were in tight with al Queda and Osama Bin Laden.

    Were you? Then shut the fuck up, puss.

    The only puss in this group is AlleyPuss, aka The NW Florida Dumbass.

    <usual extraneous alligator shit about Joe Biden snipped>

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  • From Voice of Authority@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 25 22:02:44 2024
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    Jr. was warned about terrorist threats coming from al Queda during the >transition period, you drooling idjit. I never said otherwise.

    I've got pictures of the Terrorists dancing in the streets as the towers burn with Al Gore and Trump. Why do you think nobody's done anything about it?
    Big Conspiracy!

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