• Re: NBC Historian Takes Media's "Bloodbath" Insanity To A Whole New Lev

    From suzeeq@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Mar 19 09:32:35 2024
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    On 3/19/2024 9:24 AM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s “bloodbath” comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    “bloodbath” if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.
    They left out important context, however — namely that he had made
    the comment while talking about the potential impact of a car company
    owned by Communist China building vehicles in Mexico in order to
    evade U.S. tariffs.

    Today's pundits seem largely unable to recognize metaphorical speech
    when they hear it. I'm surprised they don't wet themselves every time
    sports commentators talk about bloodbaths, massacres, etc. whenever one
    team trounces another....

    Beschloss left out the context as well — and suggested that Trump
    would promote political violence whether he won or lost.

    WATCH:

    MSNBC’s @BeschlossDC: “A major party candidate is saying,
    ‘You elect me, there’s going to be dictatorship, bloodbath, violence,
    retribution against my political enemies that equals what
    we’ve seen in Germany & Italy & other places.”
    pic.twitter.com/Yg7KHdWibq

    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) March 18, 2024

    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people
    knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski said. >> “And then there are those who are making the choice — I need to
    understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how fascism
    works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump unless
    they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they sucked in and
    brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on some
    Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed — they don’t
    care. Is it a mixture? How does it work? Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told Brzezinski.
    “That’s how fascism and totalitarianism and — in Germany’s case, the >> Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a country where there were
    big institutions of democracy until as you well know, the early
    1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated in
    1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and essentially lapsed
    into dictatorship with the democratic election of Hitler in 1933. He
    took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly after he became Chancellor
    to suspend the other parties and arrest most of them. Fifteen years of democracy is not a particularly strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two centuries
    and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so quickly....

    Don't be so sure about that...

    “In a way, Donald Trump has done us all a favor,” Beschloss
    continued, arguing that Trump was making it easier for people to
    identify the risk of fascism by telling the American people who he
    was when he made such comments.

    “A major party candidate is saying, ‘You elect me, there’s going to
    be dictatorship, bloodbath, violence, retribution against my
    political enemies that equals what we saw in Germany and Italy and
    other places,'” he said, suggesting that even if Trump were to win
    his reelection bid, political violence would necessarily follow.

    It's extremely difficult to believe these people are really so naive as
    to believe what they are saying. I can only conclude that they have a
    single objective: to scare everyone into voting for Biden by making
    them believe Trump will literally murder his political
    opponents if he wins. The Democrats and their enablers, seeing the
    polls, are clearly desperate to do or say *anything* that will drive
    voters to their side.




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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Mar 19 12:24:24 2024
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    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s “bloodbath” comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a “bloodbath” if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.
    They left out important context, however — namely that he had made
    the comment while talking about the potential impact of a car company
    owned by Communist China building vehicles in Mexico in order to
    evade U.S. tariffs.

    Today's pundits seem largely unable to recognize metaphorical speech
    when they hear it. I'm surprised they don't wet themselves every time
    sports commentators talk about bloodbaths, massacres, etc. whenever one
    team trounces another....

    Beschloss left out the context as well — and suggested that Trump
    would promote political violence whether he won or lost.

    WATCH:

    MSNBC’s @BeschlossDC: “A major party candidate is saying,
    ‘You elect me, there’s going to be dictatorship, bloodbath, violence,
    retribution against my political enemies that equals what
    we’ve seen in Germany & Italy & other places.”
    pic.twitter.com/Yg7KHdWibq

    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) March 18, 2024

    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people
    knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski said. “And then there are those who are making the choice — I need to understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how fascism
    works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump unless
    they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they sucked in and
    brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on some
    Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed — they don’t
    care. Is it a mixture? How does it work? Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told Brzezinski. “That’s how fascism and totalitarianism and — in Germany’s case, the Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a country where there were
    big institutions of democracy until as you well know, the early
    1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated in
    1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and essentially lapsed
    into dictatorship with the democratic election of Hitler in 1933. He
    took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly after he became Chancellor
    to suspend the other parties and arrest most of them. Fifteen years of democracy is not a particularly strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two centuries
    and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so quickly....

    “In a way, Donald Trump has done us all a favor,” Beschloss
    continued, arguing that Trump was making it easier for people to
    identify the risk of fascism by telling the American people who he
    was when he made such comments.

    “A major party candidate is saying, ‘You elect me, there’s going to
    be dictatorship, bloodbath, violence, retribution against my
    political enemies that equals what we saw in Germany and Italy and
    other places,'” he said, suggesting that even if Trump were to win
    his reelection bid, political violence would necessarily follow.

    It's extremely difficult to believe these people are really so naive as
    to believe what they are saying. I can only conclude that they have a
    single objective: to scare everyone into voting for Biden by making
    them believe Trump will literally murder his political
    opponents if he wins. The Democrats and their enablers, seeing the
    polls, are clearly desperate to do or say *anything* that will drive
    voters to their side.



    --
    Rhino

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Tue Mar 19 12:45:40 2024
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    On 2024-03-19 16:32:35 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/19/2024 9:24 AM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people
    knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski said. >>> “And then there are those who are making the choice — I need to
    understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how fascism
    works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump unless
    they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they sucked in and
    brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on some
    Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed — they don’t
    care. Is it a mixture? How does it work? Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told Brzezinski. >>> “That’s how fascism and totalitarianism and — in Germany’s case, the
    Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a country where there were
    big institutions of democracy until as you well know, the early
    1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated in
    1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and essentially lapsed
    into dictatorship with the democratic election of Hitler in 1933. He
    took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly after he became Chancellor
    to suspend the other parties and arrest most of them. Fifteen years of
    democracy is not a particularly strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two centuries
    and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so quickly....

    Don't be so sure about that...

    More rationalization of a very dangerous politician's words from the (uncredited again, in typical Ubiquitous fashion) DailyWire (or
    DailyLiar as it were).

    Hitler didn't rise to power overnight in the 1930s, Germany was boiled
    slowly like a lobster which is what's going on now with Trump.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 19 18:25:47 2024
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    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.

    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling for riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her way in a
    vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy media.

    These things are only bad when certain people do them.

    They left out important context, however-- namely that he had made
    the comment while talking about the potential impact of a car company
    owned by Communist China building vehicles in Mexico in order to
    evade U.S. tariffs.

    Today's pundits seem largely unable to recognize metaphorical speech
    when they hear it.

    Oh, they can recognize it just fine. Leftist 'progressive' politicians use metaphorical speech all the time and the media doesn't seem to have a problem recognizing it.

    It's only when certain people use metaphorical speech that they suddenly and conveniently lose the ability to understand metaphor and colloquialisms.

    Remember what they did to Sarah Palin after Loughner shot Congresswoman Giffords? They went to town on Palin, picking apart her campaign website's use of bullseye graphics to denote districts where it was important to campaign
    and her use of other militaristic language that has been used by political campaigns for the better part of two centuries as evidence that she was "inspiring political violence".

    When it was pointed out that such language and imagery has been common in politics since the founding of the nation, they didn't care. "It's different when Palin does it" was the general response. When examples of Democrats using the same language and imagery was produced, they didn't care. "It's different when Palin does it" was the general response.

    What amazes me is these people actually seem to believe we're too stupid to
    see what they're doing, the performative act they're engaging in.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Tue Mar 19 15:00:36 2024
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    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:45:40 -0500
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-19 16:32:35 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/19/2024 9:24 AM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people >>> knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski
    said. “And then there are those who are making the choice — I
    need to understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how
    fascism works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump
    unless they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they
    sucked in and brought in on different terms whether Trump has
    something on some Republican leaders or others are just so
    uninformed — they don’t care. Is it a mixture? How does it work?
    Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told
    Brzezinski. “That’s how fascism and totalitarianism and — in
    Germany’s case, the Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a
    country where there were big institutions of democracy until as
    you well know, the early 1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated
    in 1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and
    essentially lapsed into dictatorship with the democratic election
    of Hitler in 1933. He took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly
    after he became Chancellor to suspend the other parties and arrest
    most of them. Fifteen years of democracy is not a particularly
    strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two
    centuries and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so
    quickly....

    Don't be so sure about that...

    More rationalization of a very dangerous politician's words from the (uncredited again, in typical Ubiquitous fashion) DailyWire (or
    DailyLiar as it were).

    You seem to have a problem with context. Trump was talking about
    tariffs on cars made in Mexico for Chinese manufacturers. But you want
    to scare people into voting for Biden so you try to pretend that he let
    slip his "real" plans to imprison or even murder all his enemies in an
    orgy of violence and evil.

    We're really not stupid enough to fall for that. We can discern the
    difference between a metaphor and an Evil Plan.

    Hitler didn't rise to power overnight in the 1930s, Germany was
    boiled slowly like a lobster which is what's going on now with Trump.

    I'm sure you mean that is as some sort of wise insight but it's so
    vague that it's meaningless.

    Unlike Germany's experience with Hitler, you've actually had four
    years of Trump already and know that he will NOT destroy your nation.
    He didn't even start any new wars, unlike most of his predecessors. He
    can even speak coherently, unlike Biden, and doesn't shake hands with
    invisible people or go wandering aimlessly around the stage.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to suzee@imbris.com on Tue Mar 19 15:12:55 2024
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    In article <utcen3$u0q7$1@dont-email.me>, suzee@imbris.com wrote:
    On 3/19/2024 9:24 AM, Rhino wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s “bloodbath” comments to >>> new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    “bloodbath” if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets >>> fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.
    They left out important context, however — namely that he had made
    the comment while talking about the potential impact of a car company
    owned by Communist China building vehicles in Mexico in order to
    evade U.S. tariffs.

    Today's pundits seem largely unable to recognize metaphorical speech
    when they hear it. I'm surprised they don't wet themselves every time
    sports commentators talk about bloodbaths, massacres, etc. whenever one
    team trounces another....

    Beschloss left out the context as well — and suggested that Trump
    would promote political violence whether he won or lost.

    WATCH:

    MSNBC’s @BeschlossDC: “A major party candidate is saying,
    ‘You elect me, there’s going to be dictatorship, bloodbath, violence, >>> retribution against my political enemies that equals what
    we’ve seen in Germany & Italy & other places.”
    pic.twitter.com/Yg7KHdWibq

    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) March 18, 2024

    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people
    knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski said. >>> “And then there are those who are making the choice — I need to
    understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how fascism
    works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump unless
    they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they sucked in and
    brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on some
    Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed — they don’t
    care. Is it a mixture? How does it work? Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told Brzezinski. >>> “That's how fascism and totalitarianism and — in Germany's case, the >>> Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a country where there were
    big institutions of democracy until as you well know, the early
    1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated in
    1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and essentially lapsed
    into dictatorship with the democratic election of Hitler in 1933. He
    took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly after he became Chancellor
    to suspend the other parties and arrest most of them. Fifteen years of
    democracy is not a particularly strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two centuries
    and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so quickly....

    Don't be so sure about that...

    President Obama and Resident Joke Biden are examples.

    Funny how they accuse others of doing it, eh?

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Tue Mar 19 15:16:31 2024
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    In article <utcj03$v24f$1@dont-email.me>, super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:
    On 2024-03-19 16:32:35 +0000, suzeeq said:
    On 3/19/2024 9:24 AM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people >>>> knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski said. >>>> “And then there are those who are making the choice — I need to
    understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how fascism
    works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump unless
    they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they sucked in and
    brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on some
    Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed — they don’t
    care. Is it a mixture? How does it work? Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told Brzezinski. >>>> “That's how fascism and totalitarianism and — in Germany's case, the >>>> Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a country where there were
    big institutions of democracy until as you well know, the early
    1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated in
    1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and essentially lapsed
    into dictatorship with the democratic election of Hitler in 1933. He
    took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly after he became Chancellor
    to suspend the other parties and arrest most of them. Fifteen years of
    democracy is not a particularly strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two centuries
    and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so quickly....

    Don't be so sure about that...

    More rationalization of a very dangerous politician's words


    TROLL-O-METER

    5* 6* *7
    4* *8
    3* *9
    2* *10
    1* | *stuporous
    0* -*- *catatonic
    * |\ *comatose
    * \ *clinical death
    * \ *biological death
    * _\/ *demonic apparition
    * * *damned for all eternity

    from the (uncredited again, in typical Ubiquitous fashion) DailyWire (or >DailyLiar as it were).

    Ad hominems noted.

    Hitler didn't rise to power overnight in the 1930s, Germany was boiled
    slowly like a lobster which is what's going on now with Trump.

    TROLL-O-METER

    5* 6* *7
    4* *8
    3* *9
    2* *10
    1* | *stuporous
    0* -*- *catatonic
    * |\ *comatose
    * \ *clinical death
    * \ *biological death
    * _\/ *demonic apparition
    * * *damned for all eternity


    Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 19 15:51:53 2024
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    On 2024-03-19 18:25:47 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.

    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling for riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her way in a vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy media.

    Maybe because she isn't powerful enough to inspire upwards of 80,000
    followers to attempt a violent insurrection in Washington or even
    Nashville.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Tue Mar 19 15:01:11 2024
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    In article <utctt9$11hfm$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-19 18:25:47 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.

    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling
    for riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her
    way in a vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy
    media.

    Maybe because she isn't powerful enough to inspire upwards of 80,000 followers to attempt a violent insurrection in Washington or even
    Nashville.

    So we have to wait until there's dead bodies in the street and downtown Nashville is on fire before reporting on a state official calling for
    riots and violence?

    That's what you're going with?

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 19 18:06:08 2024
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    On 2024-03-19 22:01:11 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    In article <utctt9$11hfm$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-19 18:25:47 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >>> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to >>>>> new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets >>>>> fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.

    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling
    for riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her
    way in a vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy
    media.

    Maybe because she isn't powerful enough to inspire upwards of 80,000
    followers to attempt a violent insurrection in Washington or even
    Nashville.

    So we have to wait until there's dead bodies in the street and downtown Nashville is on fire before reporting on a state official calling for
    riots and violence?

    That's what you're going with?

    I couldn't google the specific example of a "Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling for riots and political violence right now
    because she didn't get her way in a vote" but the Republican jerks in
    charge have passed some pretty outrageous laws in the past few weeks,
    like repealing an anti-"arrested for driving while Black" law that was
    passed after Tyre Nichols was beaten to death by police in 2023 after
    one of these kind of aggressive traffic stops, and making unauthorized
    street protests a felony instead of a misdemeanor.

    Maybe you heard about it on Fox News or one of those other sources in
    your right-wing silo.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Tue Mar 19 17:01:05 2024
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    In article <utd5p0$1371j$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-19 22:01:11 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    In article <utctt9$11hfm$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-19 18:25:47 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to >>>>> new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets >>>>> fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath. >>>
    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling >>> for riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her
    way in a vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy
    media.

    Maybe because she isn't powerful enough to inspire upwards of 80,000
    followers to attempt a violent insurrection in Washington or even
    Nashville.

    So we have to wait until there's dead bodies in the street and downtown Nashville is on fire before reporting on a state official calling for
    riots and violence?

    That's what you're going with?

    I couldn't google the specific example of a "Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling for riots and political violence right now
    because she didn't get her way in a vote"

    Just check out the thread posted right here in RAT today entitled,
    "Civility Project Ends".

    but the Republican jerks in charge have passed some pretty outrageous
    laws in the past few weeks, like repealing an anti-"arrested for driving while Black" law

    Otherwise known as an "exempting black people from the traffic code
    everyone else has to obey" law.

    You do realize that's a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the
    14th Amendment, right? Or do you just not care?

    that was passed after Tyre Nichols was beaten to death by police in
    2023 after one of these kind of aggressive traffic stops

    By black cops. But go on with your "But muh racism!" nonsense.

    and making unauthorized street protests a felony instead of a
    misdemeanor.

    Obviously misdemeanors weren't working.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 22 04:01:59 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.news-media, alt.journalism
    XPost: alt.journalism.criticism

    On 3/19/24 12:45 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2024-03-19 16:32:35 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/19/2024 9:24 AM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    Host Mika Brzezinski set him up to take that particular path,
    claiming as she introduced him that Trump was beginning to sound
    “more and more like a fascist” and complaining that too few people >>>> knew history well enough to recognize the signs.

    “There’s that vulnerability that Trump preys upon,” Brzezinski said. >>>> “And then there are those who are making the choice — I need to
    understand that. Is there any precedent, or is this how fascism
    works?”

    Brzezinski went on to suggest that no one could support Trump unless
    they were either compromised or uneducated. “Are they sucked in and
    brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on some
    Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed — they don’t
    care. Is it a mixture? How does it work? Is there a precedent?”

    “I totally agree with what you just said,” Beschloss told Brzezinski. >>>> “That’s how fascism and totalitarianism and — in Germany’s case, the
    Holocaust came to Germany, which had been a country where there were
    big institutions of democracy until as you well know, the early
    1930s.”

    Some historian! He doesn't seem to know much about German
    history!

    Germany had only been a unified country since 1871 and even
    then it was an empire led by a Kaiser with a weak Reichstag
    (parliament). It stayed an empire until the last Kaiser abdicated in
    1918. It became a fragile democracy in late 1918 and essentially lapsed
    into dictatorship with the democratic election of Hitler in 1933. He
    took advantage of the Reichstag Fire shortly after he became Chancellor
    to suspend the other parties and arrest most of them. Fifteen years of
    democracy is not a particularly strong foundation.

    America, on the other hand, has been democratic for over two centuries
    and is not likely to succumb to authoritarians quite so quickly....

    Don't be so sure about that...

    More rationalization of a very dangerous politician's words from the (uncredited again, in typical Ubiquitous fashion) DailyWire (or
    DailyLiar as it were).

    Hitler didn't rise to power overnight in the 1930s, Germany was boiled
    slowly like a lobster which is what's going on now with Trump.


    Hitler had a cache of evil masterminds at his disposal, Trump has Rudy
    Giuliani and assorted other beatoffs. Trump is like the Mel Brooks'
    version of Hitler.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 22 03:44:21 2024
    XPost: alt.journalism, alt.journalism.criticism, alt.news-media
    XPost: rec.arts.tv

    On 3/19/24 1:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.

    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee


    On a scale of 1 to 10 how desperate would you have to be to claim a
    state senator is comparable to one of the two main candidates for the
    most important poltical office in the entire world? 1000 desperates?



    outright calling for
    riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her way in a vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy media.

    These things are only bad when certain people do them.

    They left out important context, however-- namely that he had made
    the comment while talking about the potential impact of a car company
    owned by Communist China building vehicles in Mexico in order to
    evade U.S. tariffs.

    Today's pundits seem largely unable to recognize metaphorical speech
    when they hear it.

    Oh, they can recognize it just fine. Leftist 'progressive' politicians use metaphorical speech all the time and the media doesn't seem to have a problem recognizing it.

    It's only when certain people use metaphorical speech that they suddenly and conveniently lose the ability to understand metaphor and colloquialisms.

    Remember what they did to Sarah Palin after Loughner shot Congresswoman Giffords? They went to town on Palin, picking apart her campaign website's use
    of bullseye graphics to denote districts where it was important to campaign and her use of other militaristic language that has been used by political campaigns for the better part of two centuries as evidence that she was "inspiring political violence".

    When it was pointed out that such language and imagery has been common in politics since the founding of the nation, they didn't care. "It's different when Palin does it" was the general response. When examples of Democrats using
    the same language and imagery was produced, they didn't care. "It's different when Palin does it" was the general response.

    What amazes me is these people actually seem to believe we're too stupid to see what they're doing, the performative act they're engaging in.



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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 22 15:20:02 2024
    XPost: alt.journalism, alt.journalism.criticism, alt.news-media
    XPost: rec.arts.tv

    On 3/19/24 1:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 19, 2024 at 9:24:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:30:48 -0400
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss took the media
    furor over former President Donald Trump’s "bloodbath" comments to
    new heights during a Monday appearance on MSNBC's MORNING JOE.

    During an Ohio campaign rally over the weekend, Trump predicted a
    "bloodbath" if he does not win reelection in 2024, and media outlets
    fell all over themselves trying to make it look as though he was
    predicting politically motivated violence and a *literal* bloodbath.

    And yet there's a Democrat state senator in Tennessee outright calling for riots and political violence right now because she didn't get her way in a vote and... yes, you guessed it, crickets from the legacy media.


    You're being fucked in the head again like you were about Kerry. So you
    do or don't condone the acts that comprised the Trump led insurrection?
    You can't have it both ways, despite your sexual proclivities. I don't
    believe you are able to concoct a coherent answer on both of these
    hypocrisies.



    These things are only bad when certain people do them.

    They left out important context, however-- namely that he had made
    the comment while talking about the potential impact of a car company
    owned by Communist China building vehicles in Mexico in order to
    evade U.S. tariffs.

    Today's pundits seem largely unable to recognize metaphorical speech
    when they hear it.

    Oh, they can recognize it just fine. Leftist 'progressive' politicians use metaphorical speech all the time and the media doesn't seem to have a problem recognizing it.

    It's only when certain people use metaphorical speech that they suddenly and conveniently lose the ability to understand metaphor and colloquialisms.

    Remember what they did to Sarah Palin after Loughner shot Congresswoman Giffords? They went to town on Palin, picking apart her campaign website's use
    of bullseye graphics to denote districts where it was important to campaign and her use of other militaristic language that has been used by political campaigns for the better part of two centuries as evidence that she was "inspiring political violence".

    When it was pointed out that such language and imagery has been common in politics since the founding of the nation, they didn't care. "It's different when Palin does it" was the general response. When examples of Democrats using
    the same language and imagery was produced, they didn't care. "It's different when Palin does it" was the general response.

    What amazes me is these people actually seem to believe we're too stupid to see what they're doing, the performative act they're engaging in.



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