• Deep Blue City Wants NATIONAL GUARD To Deal With Bad Kids

    From 68g.1509@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 20:29:58 2024
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13104133/Massachusetts-school-requests-National-Guard-crackdown.html

    Massachusetts school requests National Guard to be brought in
    to crackdown on students running amok

    Violence and security concerns have been raised at Brockton
    High School, with 11 students arrested and charged just last
    week after a brawl in the school

    Committee members Joyce Asack, Tony Rodrigues, Claudio Gomes
    and Ana Oliver requested immediate assistance last week
    'to prevent a potential tragedy'

    In a letter from last week, the four have asked for the
    assistance of the National Guard to 'assist in restoring
    order' at the school

    . . .


    WELL .... let's SEE ......

    https://brockton.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2020-Election-Results.pdf

    Roughly five to one BIDEN voters ... DEEP Blue.

    Wikipedia shows only six percent registered as GOP.

    The "defund" craze also hit :

    https://www.tauntongazette.com/story/news/state/2020/06/21/defund-police-movement-builds-steam-as-brockton-mulls-citywide-budget-cuts/114496944/

    SO PEOPLE ... WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU *EXPECT* ???

    The national guard should tell 'em to just fuck
    off and live with their horrible mistakes.

    Oh, noted, there was a riot at the HS a little
    while back where several were stabbed. Then
    someone went TO the hospital and STABBED HIS
    RIVAL EVEN MORE there. That's the kind of
    mentality that's developed.

    That blue/defund shit does NOT lead to any
    Age Of Aquarius hippy-dippy utopia, it
    leads to Mad Max - and we've been seeing
    this in deep blue towns for a long time now.

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  • From David LaRue@21:1/5 to 68g.1505@exr3.net on Wed Feb 21 01:52:08 2024
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    "68g.1509" <68g.1505@exr3.net> wrote in news:0LScnXAJLZaKz0j4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13104133/Massachusetts-school- requests-National-Guard-crackdown.html

    Massachusetts school requests National Guard to be brought in
    to crackdown on students running amok

    Violence and security concerns have been raised at Brockton
    High School, with 11 students arrested and charged just last
    week after a brawl in the school

    Committee members Joyce Asack, Tony Rodrigues, Claudio Gomes
    and Ana Oliver requested immediate assistance last week
    'to prevent a potential tragedy'

    In a letter from last week, the four have asked for the
    assistance of the National Guard to 'assist in restoring
    order' at the school

    <snip>

    Teach and enforce values (again) and the problem would go away. They did
    it to themselves and don't understand why.

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  • From Trump - Inmate Number P01135809@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 21 15:32:32 2024
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/donald-trump-15-most- dangerous-statements/675970/


    Trump Isn’t Merely Unhinged

    Many of his recent statements illustrate a profoundly un-American set of
    ideas.

    November 13, 2023, 7:30 AM ET

    With apologies to a certain newspaper’s slogan, many of Donald Trump’s
    most dangerous statements hide in the plain light of day.

    The problem is not that they don’t get reported on—they do—but even so,
    they are easy to tune out, perhaps because he’s been saying outlandish
    things for so long that people simply can’t bring themselves to parse the
    new ones; or perhaps because they’ve become accustomed, or at least numb,
    to his utterances; or perhaps because they don’t want to let him occupy
    their headspace; or perhaps because he got kicked off Twitter (now X) and
    they had no interest in joining Truth Social. Or maybe it’s because the
    more sinister material gets mixed up with his strange elocutions (“We’re
    gonna have a great country—it’s gonna be called the United States of
    America”), contrarian hot takes (“You know, Hezbollah is very smart.
    They’re all very smart”), and gibberish (“All of these indictments that
    you see—I was never indicted. Practically never heard the word. It wasn’t
    a word that registered”).

    From the November 2023 issue: How we got ‘democracy dies in darkness’

    Whatever the case may be, Trump has continued to make plainly dangerous
    and stunning remarks. Notwithstanding his rival Governor Ron DeSantis’s
    recent claim that Trump has “lost the zip on his fastball,” the former president continues to produce substantive ideas—which is not to say they
    are wise or prudent, but they are certainly more than gibberish. In fact,
    much of what Trump is discussing is un-American, not merely in the sense
    of being antithetical to some imagined national set of mores, but in that
    his ideas contravene basic principles of the Constitution or other bedrock bases of American government.

    They are the sorts of ideas that would have been shocking to hear from any mainstream politician just a decade ago. And yet, today, Trump—arguably
    the single most influential figure in the United States—says these things,
    and they hardly register. Consider the following examples, all from just
    the past few months:
    1. Promised to destroy the federal government as we know it.

    Trump has been promising in speeches to “demolish the deep state.” What he means by that is to end the federal government as it exists today,
    eliminating the civil-service jobs that have been in place since the late
    19th century. This is clear because former Trump aides who are designing
    the effort, part of a sort of shadow government housed at conservative
    think tanks, are open about what they have in mind, as my colleague
    Russell Berman reports: a federal workforce that can be fired by the
    president at will and must follow his personal whims. That would be a
    major departure from the current system, where employees are permanent professionals who work for administrations of both parties and are meant
    to focus on effective implementation, rather than political hacks chosen
    for their loyalty.
    2. Argued that a presidential candidate should be immune from prosecution.

    While attempting to dodge the 91 criminal indictments against him, Trump
    argued in a July 10 court filing that he shouldn’t have to deal with the
    hassle of a federal trial, because running for president “requires a
    tremendous amount of time and energy.” This goes directly against the idea
    that no U.S. citizen is above the law.
    3. Insulted and attempted to intimidate judges, prosecutors, witnesses,
    and others.

    Trump hasn’t just made arguments in court related to the criminal and
    civil cases against him; he has also produced a steady stream of invective directed at anyone involved in the cases, to the point of seeking to
    intimidate witnesses, court staff, and even prosecutors’ family members. Subjects of his threats include the federal judge Tanya Chutkan; New York Justice Arthur Engoron; Engoron’s law clerk (for which Trump was slapped
    with a gag order); New York Attorney General Letitia James, including his inscrutable and maybe racist nickname for her; Mark Meadows, the former
    White House chief of staff and a possible witness; Special Counsel Jack
    Smith; and even Smith’s wife, a documentary filmmaker. Smith’s team successfully convinced Chutkan that some of these infractions could
    threaten the likelihood of a fair trial, and she ordered Trump to stop,
    though she permitted him to attack her and President Joe Biden, among
    others, and to call his prosecution political. Trump appealed the order
    but lost, then promptly attacked another potential witness, former
    Attorney General Bill Barr. (An appeals court has now paused the order
    once more.)
    4. Continued to claim that the election was stolen.

    Trump continues to insist, despite presenting no real evidence and losing
    every relevant court case, that he actually won the 2020 election. “I
    don’t consider us to have much of a democracy right now,” he said on Meet
    the Press on September 17. Perversely, Trump now has some incentive to
    keep lying about the election rather than acknowledge that he lost: Part
    of Smith’s case is premised on the idea that Trump knew he had been
    defeated. A functioning democracy depends on the consent of the losers; throughout U.S. history, losers of elections have sometimes grumbled
    fiercely and other times taken losses gracefully, but none has ever tried
    to stay in office and then continued to claim he was the rightful winner
    in the manner Trump has.

    Read: Democracy depends on the consent of losers
    5. Excused the January 6 riot.

    On Meet the Press and elsewhere, Trump has continued to excuse the riot on January 6, 2021, and to argue that people charged in the riots are
    political prisoners. He told the Meet the Press moderator, Kristen Welker,
    that he might pardon people convicted of federal crimes for their
    involvement in the assault on the seat of U.S. government: “Well, I’m
    going to look at them, and I certainly might if I think it’s appropriate.
    No, it’s a very, very sad thing. And it’s—they’re dividing the country so badly, and it’s very dangerous.” He has since referred to these people as “hostages,” a description that makes sense only if you find the very idea
    of policing the insurrection illegitimate.
    6. Entertained pardoning himself.

    Trump also continues to flirt with the idea of granting himself a pardon, typically saying he doesn’t see any need for it but refusing to rule it
    out. Most mainstream scholars say a self-pardon is probably not
    constitutional and certainly not something the framers intended.
    7. Menaced American Jews for not voting for him.

    During Rosh Hashanah, on September 17, Trump shared a meme that read,
    “Just a reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel
    because you believed false narratives! Let’s hope you learned from your
    mistake & make better choices going forward!” As my colleague Yair
    Rosenberg wrote, Trump has often made such offensive remarks about the loyalties—perceived or desired—of American Jews, but this was
    “particularly ugly in the way it deliberately singled out a specific constituency during that constituency’s holiest season.”
    8. Suggested executing Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley.

    Apparently outraged by the Atlantic editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg’s
    profile of General Mark Milley, whom Trump appointed chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Trump on September 22 accused Milley of treason and
    suggested that he deserved the death penalty. “This guy turned out to be a
    Woke train wreck who, if the Fake News reporting is correct, was actually dealing with China to give them a heads up on the thinking of the
    President of the United States. This is an act so egregious that, in times
    gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” Trump wrote. Trump’s loose
    and sloppy treason accusations have always undermined the Constitution,
    and many past comments like this have precipitated threats and even
    attacks from Trump supporters.
    9. Accused NBC of treason and threatened to pull it off the air.

    Trump has never had any interest in upholding the First Amendment, but his remarks on September 24 were unusually sharp. Trump wrote that NBC News,
    and especially MSNBC, “should be investigated for its ‘Country Threatening Treason.’ Why should NBC, or any other of the corrupt & dishonest media companies, be entitled to use the very valuable Airwaves of the USA, FREE?
    They are a true threat to Democracy and are, in fact, THE ENEMY OF THE
    PEOPLE!” This sort of demonization of the press is dangerous per se—as demonstrated by attacks on journalists—as are Trump’s casual accusations
    of treason, but this one carries a clear threat to try to use the power of
    the federal government to punish a news organization for reporting he
    doesn’t like. This contradicts even the most limited, basic understanding
    of the importance of a free press, as protected by the First Amendment.
    (Set aside the dissonance of saying this shortly after granting an in-
    depth interview to NBC News!)
    10. Promised to lock up political opponents.

    During a September 28 interview, Trump said he would imprison his
    political adversaries if he is reelected. Glenn Beck asked Trump, “You
    said in 2016, you know, ‘Lock her up.’ And then when you became president,
    you said, ‘We don’t do that in America.’ That’s just not the right thing
    to do. That’s what they’re doing. Do you regret not locking her up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?” Trump replied, “Uh, the answer is you have no choice because they’re doing it to us.” Because
    Trump believes, or claims to believe, that he is being prosecuted for
    purely political reasons, he’s vowing to go after his political opponents
    for the crime of being his political opponents—a violation of both free-
    speech and due-process protections.
    11. Recommended extrajudicial executions.

    At a rally two days later, on September 30, Trump once again advocated
    going around the criminal-justice system to administer vigilante
    punishment. “Very simply, if you rob a store, you can fully expect to be
    shot as you are leaving that store,” he told the California Republican
    Party, adding: “Shot!” (The Associated Press, either too nonchalantly or
    with dry understatement, described it this way: “Trump animates California Republicans with calls to shoot people who rob stores.”) This, too,
    violates the basic concept of due process for accused criminals.
    12. Called for a judge overseeing his case to be prosecuted.

    Among Trump’s many fulminations against Justice Engoron, Trump told
    reporters on October 2 not only that the judge should be removed from the bench, but that he should face prosecution—for no apparent crime other
    than being assigned to Trump’s case and ruling against Trump. “This is a
    judge that should be disbarred,” he said. “This is a judge that should be
    out of office. This is a judge that some people say could be charged
    criminally for what he’s doing. He’s interfering with an election.”

    David A. Graham: Donald Trump is any defense attorney’s nightmare
    13. Told voters not to bother voting.

    During an October 23 rally in New Hampshire, Trump told attendees, “You
    don’t have to vote, don’t worry about voting. The voting, we got plenty of votes, you gotta watch.” As is sometimes the case with Trump, it’s hard to
    tell whether this is intended as a joke; or a statement that if all votes
    were counted, he would win; or as some sort of intimation of stealing the election himself. In any case, discouraging civic participation
    contradicts the basic principle of a government by, for, and of the
    people.
    14. Celebrated the antidemocratic strongman Viktor Orbán.

    At the same rally, Trump talked about his love for one of the most
    repressive leaders in Europe: “There’s a man, Viktor Orbán, did anyone
    ever hear of him? He’s probably, like, one of the strongest leaders
    anywhere in the world. He’s the leader of Turkey,” Trump said, adding that
    he had a “front” on Russia. In fact, Orbán is the leader of Hungary (Trump later corrected himself), and neither country shares a border with Russia.
    More to the point, Orbán—who proudly describes himself as “illiberal”—is
    an authoritarian who has become a darling of the Trumpist right, as my colleague Anne Applebaum has explained.
    15. Promised to indict Joe Biden.

    The biggest headlines out of Trump’s October 29 rally in Sioux City, Iowa,
    came from his confusing the city with Sioux Falls, South Dakota—the sort
    of slipup that undermines his attacks on Biden as senile. But the more substantively disturbing thing Trump said at the rally was that his own indictments would give him permission to politically prosecute his
    predecessor. “They brought our country to a new level, and, but that allows—think of this—that allows us to do it to Biden, when he gets out,”
    Trump said. “And that would be very easy.”

    In a Univision interview that aired November 9, he added: “They have done something that allows the next party—I mean, if somebody, if I happen to
    be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very
    badly, I say ‘Go down and indict them.’ They’d be out of business, they’d
    be out of the election.” This goes beyond Trump’s suggestion of going
    after his opponents in a general way. Few things could be more directly
    counter to the idea of a democratic republic, and more redolent of a
    failed state, than a pretextual prosecution of one’s predecessor.

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  • From 68g.1509@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed Feb 21 16:56:55 2024
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    On 2/21/24 12:57 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-02-21, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
    "68g.1509" <68g.1505@exr3.net> wrote in
    news:0LScnXAJLZaKz0j4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13104133/Massachusetts-school-
    requests-National-Guard-crackdown.html

    Massachusetts school requests National Guard to be brought in
    to crackdown on students running amok

    Violence and security concerns have been raised at Brockton
    High School, with 11 students arrested and charged just last
    week after a brawl in the school

    Committee members Joyce Asack, Tony Rodrigues, Claudio Gomes
    and Ana Oliver requested immediate assistance last week
    'to prevent a potential tragedy'

    In a letter from last week, the four have asked for the
    assistance of the National Guard to 'assist in restoring
    order' at the school

    <snip>

    Teach and enforce values (again) and the problem would go away. They did
    it to themselves and don't understand why.

    That is the solution.


    But the Blues CAN'T. They have been programmed for 60+ years
    to see 'ethics'/'morality' and 'values' and appreciation
    for civ as something OPPRESSORS do. Added on more recently
    was the BLM stuff - so only PART of the perp pop can be
    held accountable for its actions or you're a RACIST
    oppressor. Then ANTIFA made disorder and warping of
    reality fashionable, obligatory - complain or actually
    analyze and you're now a RACIST *FASCIST* Oppressor.

    It's a mind trap they cannot seem to escape. Even if they
    get robbed, raped and stabbed repeatedly it's not the
    fault of THEIR politics - it's the FASCIST COLONIALISTS !
    Rather like one of those cults - a ring of mirrors all
    facing inwards - the alpha and omega of all.

    So, is there anything to DO about this ? Not so much.
    SOME will eventually wise up, but most won't. The best
    we can do is peel off as many doubters as possible
    and TRY to consolidate a majority of different-thinkers.
    The further-left has been at this since the early 1900s
    and they're GOOD at their work. Tailgunner Joe was just
    a blip, a little speed-bump, and he did it so poorly
    that it INCREASED the leftist ranks.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 21 15:27:02 2024
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    On 2/21/2024 2:56 PM, 68g.1509 wrote:
    On 2/21/24 12:57 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-02-21, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
    "68g.1509" <68g.1505@exr3.net> wrote in
    news:0LScnXAJLZaKz0j4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13104133/Massachusetts-school- >>>> requests-National-Guard-crackdown.html

    Massachusetts school requests National Guard to be brought in
    to crackdown on students running amok

    Violence and security concerns have been raised at Brockton
    High School, with 11 students arrested and charged just last
    week after a brawl in the school

    Committee members Joyce Asack, Tony Rodrigues, Claudio Gomes
    and Ana Oliver requested immediate assistance last week
    'to prevent a potential tragedy'

    In a letter from last week, the four have asked for the
    assistance of the National Guard to 'assist in restoring
    order' at the school

    <snip>

    Teach and enforce values (again) and the problem would go away.  They
    did
    it to themselves and don't understand why.

    That is the solution.


      But the Blues CAN'T. They have been programmed for 60+ years
      to see 'ethics'/'morality' and 'values' and appreciation
      for civ as something OPPRESSORS do. Added on more recently
      was the BLM stuff - so only PART of the perp pop can be
      held accountable for its actions or you're a RACIST
      oppressor. Then ANTIFA made disorder and warping of
      reality fashionable, obligatory - complain or actually
      analyze and you're now a RACIST *FASCIST* Oppressor.

      It's a mind trap they cannot seem to escape. Even if they
      get robbed, raped and stabbed repeatedly it's not the
      fault of THEIR politics - it's the FASCIST COLONIALISTS !
      Rather like one of those cults - a ring of mirrors all
      facing inwards - the alpha and omega of all.

      So, is there anything to DO about this ? Not so much.
      SOME will eventually wise up, but most won't. The best
      we can do is peel off as many doubters as possible
      and TRY to consolidate a majority of different-thinkers.
      The further-left has been at this since the early 1900s
      and they're GOOD at their work. Tailgunner Joe was just
      a blip, a little speed-bump, and he did it so poorly
      that it INCREASED the leftist ranks.

    There sure seems to be a lot of resistance to the idea that all people
    have value.

    History has not been kind to the "master race" kind of folks.

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