• Re: IRS Application of Section 162(f) -- General Principles

    From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 16 18:32:10 2024
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    On 2/16/2024 6:17 PM, UCLA Economics 100B wrote:
    IRS AM 2007-0015 describes the analytical steps the IRS will take to determine whether settlement payments made to compromise civil
    actions brought by, or on behalf of, the government are deductible
    by the payor. The memorandum states that the IRS first will look to
    the nature of the statute pursuant to which the settlement is being
    paid. If the statute allows only compensatory remedies, the inquiry
    ends, and the settlement payment is deductible in full. However,
    under section 162(f), no part of a settlement payment is deductible
    if the compromised action was brought pursuant to a civil statute
    having a wholly "punitive" purpose of enforcing the law and
    punishing the violator.

    The memorandum acknowledges that discerning the purpose of
    settlement payments made to compromise an action under a statute
    that serves both compensatory and punitive purposes is a difficult
    task, requiring the IRS to analyze the settlement to determine the
    intent of the parties. Discerning that intent is an intensely
    factual inquiry, requiring close examination of the relevant facts
    and circumstances of the specific payment at issue and the manner in
    which it was calculated.

    The IRS could still permit Trump to write off the judgements because
    no actual harm was done.

    That's why the whole fraud trial is a farce. Damages is a
    necessary element. No harm = no damages = no fraud. To enter
    a fraud judgment without evidence of damages is reversible error.

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  • From UCLA Economics 100B@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 16 20:17:27 2024
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    IRS AM 2007-0015 describes the analytical steps the IRS will take to
    determine whether settlement payments made to compromise civil
    actions brought by, or on behalf of, the government are deductible
    by the payor. The memorandum states that the IRS first will look to
    the nature of the statute pursuant to which the settlement is being
    paid. If the statute allows only compensatory remedies, the inquiry
    ends, and the settlement payment is deductible in full. However,
    under section 162(f), no part of a settlement payment is deductible
    if the compromised action was brought pursuant to a civil statute
    having a wholly "punitive" purpose of enforcing the law and
    punishing the violator.

    The memorandum acknowledges that discerning the purpose of
    settlement payments made to compromise an action under a statute
    that serves both compensatory and punitive purposes is a difficult
    task, requiring the IRS to analyze the settlement to determine the
    intent of the parties. Discerning that intent is an intensely
    factual inquiry, requiring close examination of the relevant facts
    and circumstances of the specific payment at issue and the manner in
    which it was calculated.

    The IRS could still permit Trump to write off the judgements because
    no actual harm was done.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 08:28:47 2024
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    On 2/16/2024 5:32 PM, Francis Mark Hansen <fmhlaw@comcast.net>, sleazy rent-skip
    chaser, possible polygamist and irrational gun nut, lied:

    On 2/16/2024 6:17 PM, UCLA Economics 100B wrote:
    IRS AM 2007-0015 describes the analytical steps the IRS will take to
    determine whether settlement payments made to compromise civil
    actions brought by, or on behalf of, the government are deductible
    by the payor. The memorandum states that the IRS first will look to
    the nature of the statute pursuant to which the settlement is being
    paid. If the statute allows only compensatory remedies, the inquiry
    ends, and the settlement payment is deductible in full. However,
    under section 162(f), no part of a settlement payment is deductible
    if the compromised action was brought pursuant to a civil statute
    having a wholly "punitive" purpose of enforcing the law and
    punishing the violator.

    The memorandum acknowledges that discerning the purpose of
    settlement payments made to compromise an action under a statute
    that serves both compensatory and punitive purposes is a difficult
    task, requiring the IRS to analyze the settlement to determine the
    intent of the parties. Discerning that intent is an intensely
    factual inquiry, requiring close examination of the relevant facts
    and circumstances of the specific payment at issue and the manner in
    which it was calculated.

    The IRS could still permit Trump to write off the judgements because
    no actual harm was done.

    That's why the whole fraud trial is a farce.

    It's not, Francis.

    Damages is a necessary element.  No harm = no damages = no fraud.

    The harm was to the entire New York business community and economy, Francis.

    --
    Canoza's law: Francis Mark Hansen is *always* wrong.

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  • From Michael A Terrell@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 08:28:49 2024
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    On 2/16/2024 5:17 PM, UCLA Economics 100B wrote:
    IRS AM 2007-0015 describes the analytical steps the IRS will take to determine whether settlement payments made to compromise civil
    actions brought by, or on behalf of, the government are deductible
    by the payor.

    The $550 million judgement against Asshole Trump is not a settlement.

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