• The Most Dangerous Conservative

    From useapen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 07:55:15 2024
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    The New York Times put Charles Murray on the cover of its Sunday Magazine, calling him "The Most Dangerous Conservative."

    That was after he co-wrote the book, "The Bell Curve," which argued that different ethnic groups have, on average, different IQs. As Murray puts it
    in my video this week, "Blacks on average have a lower IQ than whites.
    However, whites are not at the top. East Asians, on average, have a higher
    IQ than whites. Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs."

    Other researchers agree.

    An article in ScienceDirect journal puts it this way, "East Asians and
    their descendants average an IQ of about 106, Europeans and their
    descendants about 100, and Africans and their descendants about 85."

    But many people don't believe it. Many don't even want such topics
    discussed.

    Last time Murray tried speaking to college students, a mob shouted him
    down.

    "They're angry at you because you're perpetuating racism," I tell Murray.

    "These kids," he replies, "never read a word of anything I'd ever
    written."

    That's probably true. It's more likely that they just read slander against
    him from smear sites like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    They call Murray a "white nationalist" and claim he says, "White men ...
    are intellectually, psychologically and morally superior."

    "I've never said anything remotely like that!" says Murray.

    "Do you believe that Blacks are intellectually inferior?" I ask.

    "If you give mental tests to a representative sample of whites and a representative sample of blacks," he says, "there will be about a one
    standard deviation difference. To then translate that into people being inferior and superior is idiotic."

    He goes on to say that there are other differences between racial groups.

    "I don't think there's been a white winner of the 100-yard dash in the
    Olympics for a zillion years."

    Actually, 20 years. A white woman won 20 years ago; a white man hasn't won
    for 40 years.

    It's probably because some Black people have more fast-twitch muscles
    fibers, says Murray.

    I don't see why saying that is controversial. It's just obvious that there
    are differences between groups.

    But Murray has been canceled.

    It's too bad.

    Everything should be talked about. People who don't agree with Charles
    Murray should debate him, not shun him.

    He is good at revealing unpopular truths.

    He once had a job working for the government, evaluating social programs.
    He discovered that the "War on Poverty" was not lifting people out of
    poverty. In fact, programs like welfare perpetuated poverty.

    He wrote a book about that titled "Losing Ground."

    It soon became a bestseller, and influenced presidents from both parties. Welfare "reformers" Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton cited Murray's work.
    Clinton said, "Murray has done the country a service."

    Then Murray wrote "In Pursuit of Happiness and Good Government" -- a book
    that changed my thinking.

    He describes his time as a Peace Corps volunteer in Thailand. He watched
    Thai government "experts" create what they said would be a "model
    community." They gave the village a fishpond, a rice cooperative, a health clinic. But this aid diminished community activities.

    "They weren't as happy as they used to be," says Murray. "I saw what government looks like from Bangkok and how it looks to the villager. It's
    the same in the United States."

    The United States has spent $25 trillion (so far) on our War on Poverty.
    But the poverty rate has stayed about the same. Instead of eliminating
    poverty, the War created a new "underclass" -- fatherless kids who give
    birth to other fatherless kids -- generations of families who become
    dependent on government handouts.

    Yet the programs keep growing.

    "Aren't you upset?" I ask Murray.

    "I'm deeply depressed," he says. "We have watched, in our own lifetime,
    our hopes and dreams turned to smoldering ruins."

    Then he smiles and says, "The good news is that old people are habitually
    too pessimistic."

    Charles Murray, an emeritus scholar at the American Enterprise Institute,
    has interesting ideas. They deserve to be heard, not shouted down.

    I will do a second video, covering more of his work, in a few weeks.

    https://pjmedia.com/john-stossel/2024/01/24/the-most-dangerous- conservative-n4925785

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to useapen on Sat Jan 27 14:01:32 2024
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    On 2024-01-27, useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote:
    The New York Times put Charles Murray on the cover of its Sunday Magazine, calling him "The Most Dangerous Conservative."

    That was after he co-wrote the book, "The Bell Curve," which argued that different ethnic groups have, on average, different IQs. As Murray puts it
    in my video this week, "Blacks on average have a lower IQ than whites. However, whites are not at the top. East Asians, on average, have a higher
    IQ than whites. Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs."

    Other researchers agree.

    An article in ScienceDirect journal puts it this way, "East Asians and
    their descendants average an IQ of about 106, Europeans and their
    descendants about 100, and Africans and their descendants about 85."

    But many people don't believe it. Many don't even want such topics
    discussed.

    Last time Murray tried speaking to college students, a mob shouted him
    down.

    "They're angry at you because you're perpetuating racism," I tell Murray.

    "These kids," he replies, "never read a word of anything I'd ever
    written."

    That's probably true. It's more likely that they just read slander against him from smear sites like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    They call Murray a "white nationalist" and claim he says, "White men ...
    are intellectually, psychologically and morally superior."

    "I've never said anything remotely like that!" says Murray.

    "Do you believe that Blacks are intellectually inferior?" I ask.

    "If you give mental tests to a representative sample of whites and a representative sample of blacks," he says, "there will be about a one standard deviation difference. To then translate that into people being inferior and superior is idiotic."

    He goes on to say that there are other differences between racial groups.

    "I don't think there's been a white winner of the 100-yard dash in the Olympics for a zillion years."

    Actually, 20 years. A white woman won 20 years ago; a white man hasn't won for 40 years.

    It's probably because some Black people have more fast-twitch muscles
    fibers, says Murray.

    I don't see why saying that is controversial. It's just obvious that there are differences between groups.

    But Murray has been canceled.

    It's too bad.

    Everything should be talked about. People who don't agree with Charles
    Murray should debate him, not shun him.

    He is good at revealing unpopular truths.

    He once had a job working for the government, evaluating social programs.
    He discovered that the "War on Poverty" was not lifting people out of poverty. In fact, programs like welfare perpetuated poverty.

    He wrote a book about that titled "Losing Ground."

    It soon became a bestseller, and influenced presidents from both parties. Welfare "reformers" Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton cited Murray's work. Clinton said, "Murray has done the country a service."

    Then Murray wrote "In Pursuit of Happiness and Good Government" -- a book that changed my thinking.

    He describes his time as a Peace Corps volunteer in Thailand. He watched
    Thai government "experts" create what they said would be a "model
    community." They gave the village a fishpond, a rice cooperative, a health clinic. But this aid diminished community activities.

    "They weren't as happy as they used to be," says Murray. "I saw what government looks like from Bangkok and how it looks to the villager. It's
    the same in the United States."

    The United States has spent $25 trillion (so far) on our War on Poverty.
    But the poverty rate has stayed about the same. Instead of eliminating poverty, the War created a new "underclass" -- fatherless kids who give
    birth to other fatherless kids -- generations of families who become dependent on government handouts.

    Yet the programs keep growing.

    "Aren't you upset?" I ask Murray.

    "I'm deeply depressed," he says. "We have watched, in our own lifetime,
    our hopes and dreams turned to smoldering ruins."

    Then he smiles and says, "The good news is that old people are habitually
    too pessimistic."

    Charles Murray, an emeritus scholar at the American Enterprise Institute,
    has interesting ideas. They deserve to be heard, not shouted down.

    I will do a second video, covering more of his work, in a few weeks.

    https://pjmedia.com/john-stossel/2024/01/24/the-most-dangerous- conservative-n4925785

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to useapen on Sat Jan 27 10:52:25 2024
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    On 1/27/2024 12:55 AM, useapen wrote:
    The New York Times put Charles Murray on the cover of its Sunday Magazine, calling him "The Most Dangerous Conservative."

    That was after he co-wrote the book, "The Bell Curve," which argued that different ethnic groups have, on average, different IQs. As Murray puts it
    in my video this week, "Blacks on average have a lower IQ than whites. However, whites are not at the top. East Asians, on average, have a higher
    IQ than whites. Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs."

    Other researchers agree.

    An article in ScienceDirect journal puts it this way, "East Asians and
    their descendants average an IQ of about 106, Europeans and their
    descendants about 100, and Africans and their descendants about 85."

    IQ tests measure a person's ability to score well on IQ tests.
    An elephant would score poorly on a test that measures the
    ability to climb trees.

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat Jan 27 10:56:01 2024
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    On 1/27/2024 7:01 AM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote:
    The New York Times put Charles Murray on the cover of its Sunday Magazine, >> calling him "The Most Dangerous Conservative."

    That was after he co-wrote the book, "The Bell Curve," which argued that
    different ethnic groups have, on average, different IQs. As Murray puts it >> in my video this week, "Blacks on average have a lower IQ than whites.
    However, whites are not at the top. East Asians, on average, have a higher >> IQ than whites. Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs."

    Other researchers agree.

    An article in ScienceDirect journal puts it this way, "East Asians and
    their descendants average an IQ of about 106, Europeans and their
    descendants about 100, and Africans and their descendants about 85."

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

    Brian: You're all different!
    Crowd: Yes, we're all different!
    Lone voice: I'm not.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Just Wondering on Sat Jan 27 18:30:37 2024
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    On 2024-01-27, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 7:01 AM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote:
    The New York Times put Charles Murray on the cover of its Sunday Magazine, >>> calling him "The Most Dangerous Conservative."

    That was after he co-wrote the book, "The Bell Curve," which argued that >>> different ethnic groups have, on average, different IQs. As Murray puts it >>> in my video this week, "Blacks on average have a lower IQ than whites.
    However, whites are not at the top. East Asians, on average, have a higher >>> IQ than whites. Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs."

    Other researchers agree.

    An article in ScienceDirect journal puts it this way, "East Asians and
    their descendants average an IQ of about 106, Europeans and their
    descendants about 100, and Africans and their descendants about 85."

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

    Brian: You're all different!
    Crowd: Yes, we're all different!
    Lone voice: I'm not.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY

    That's a classic!
    I love MP.

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Sat Jan 27 19:05:10 2024
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    Siri Cruise wrote:
    useapen wrote:
    That was after he co-wrote the book, "The Bell Curve," which argued that
    different ethnic groups have, on average, different IQs. As Murray puts it >> in my video this week, "Blacks on average have a lower IQ than whites.
    However, whites are not at the top. East Asians, on average, have a higher >> IQ than whites. Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs."

    It turns out IQ measured lead exposure when young.


    How does that explain ALL of sub-Saharan Africa?

    Blacks were dumb before lead paint and lead plumbing.

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Jan 28 01:23:08 2024
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    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:01:32 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

    These differences are cultural, not genetic.

    No, they're genetic. There is no contemporary research even tangential to
    this topic because any academic who tries will soon find himself confronted
    by several large black professors with baseball bats and room temperature
    IQs.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Jan 28 14:19:07 2024
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    On 2024-01-28, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:01:32 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

    These differences are cultural, not genetic.

    Swill

    Not true.
    Genetics are part of it as is culture.

    <https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931870-500-the-truth-about-intelligence-what-makes-someone
    -smarter-than-others/>


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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Sun Jan 28 14:22:17 2024
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    On 2024-01-28, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:01:32 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

    These differences are cultural, not genetic.

    No, they're genetic. There is no contemporary research even tangential to this topic because any academic who tries will soon find himself confronted by several large black professors with baseball bats and room temperature IQs.

    Sadly that's true.

    Remember "Jimmy The Greek" claiming that blacks were bred for sports.?
    That was the end of his career.
    And society is even more triggered these days.


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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Jan 28 09:06:29 2024
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    On 1/28/2024 6:22 AM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-01-28, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:01:32 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    We are all different both physically and mentally.
    Some races excel at one thing and others excel at different things.
    They are of course outliers, but in general.
    Burying the truth under the mantra of racism doesn't help anyone.

    These differences are cultural, not genetic.

    No, they're genetic. There is no contemporary research even tangential to
    this topic because any academic who tries will soon find himself confronted >> by several large black professors with baseball bats and room temperature
    IQs.

    Sadly that's true.

    It's bullshit, "pothole"/"Sakran" — pure bullshit.

    Remember "Jimmy The Greek" claiming that blacks were bred for sports.?

    That's not what he said, "pothole"/"Sakran" — that's what idiots like the headline writer at the Washington Post interpreted him to be saying, but it's not what he said. He said that blacks were more athletic because of selective breeding efforts going back to American slavery:

    This goes all the way to the Civil War when, during the slave trading, the
    owner, the slave owner, would breed his big woman so that he would have a big
    black kid, see. That's where it all started.

    The only thing wrong with that greasy Greek prick's analysis is that such selective breeding didn't work.

    And of course you're wrong about the outcome of academic research on differences
    in averages among races. If someone publishes a paper that simply notes that differences in averages among races exist, there is no problem. It's when they start trying to explain the causes of those differences, using bullshit analysis
    like yours, that they run into trouble. And they *should* run into trouble when they engage in bullshit analysis.

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