• AOC is the Democrats' best shot against Trump in 2024

    From Jimmy K@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 21 10:01:41 2024
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    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it
    almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for
    to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.

    Flash forward to 2018, and the meteoric rise of a 29-year-old bartender
    from Queens feels eerily similar. She has been unafraid, unapologetic and unwilling to bend to the will of Washington. She is a force to be reckoned with, and in 2024 Democrats are going to need her force to reckon with Republicans.

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) is less of a personality and more
    of a movement. Yes, the smart, photogenic congresswoman is the face of the rising progressive movement, but she is also the future of the Democratic Party. AOC has cultivated a following beyond politics. She’s an influencer
    in its purest form. Her ability to relate to her supporters and allow them
    a glimpse into her private life is a blueprint for Democrats trying to act
    less like mannequins and more like humans.

    She’s the voice of a movement that began after the banks were bailed out
    by the government, while homeowners were left to default. The simplicity
    with which she talks about everyday struggles hints that she’s not just a persona for consumption. She isn’t beholden to corporations, is a
    prodigious small-dollar fundraiser, and could out-Trump Trump like no
    other politician has been able to.

    If Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the Godfather, Ocasio-Cartez is Michael Corleone. As the architect of Medicare for All, a $15 minimum wage and
    numerous other programs that are now mainstream, Bernie’s place in history
    has already been solidified. While Sanders may disagree with some of the progressives in his caucus, his worth carries major weight. Bernie passing
    the torch to AOC and recruiting her to run for president would be bold and would strengthen and solidify her base of supporters before she even gets
    out of the gate.

    AOC wields a superpower that is rarely found in Washington: She isn’t
    afraid to lose. Her 2018 victory wasn’t just historic, it was shocking,
    and felt predestined — much like when we first saw a brilliant speaker
    with a funny name and big ears remind us that through hope and change we
    could put our country on a new course.

    AOC has the ability to tell the story of her generation. She’s Barack
    Obama if Barack Obama was an actual progressive. I love Obama, but he was
    a moderate who sounded like a progressive.

    Ocasio-Cortez represents the possibilities and opportunities that make our country great. Where else could a 29-year-old bartender upset a political heavyweight and become a symbol for her generation? AOC was never
    supposed to win her race. Few gave her a chance, but a funny thing
    happened: Voters loved her honesty, youth and humble beginnings. Voters
    were sick of career politicians who rarely came back to their districts.
    So they voted Joe Crowley out and AOC in. That wasn’t luck, that was fate.
    In a Democratic Party that looks more like a Golden Girls spin-off than a reflection of our rich diversity, AOC has become the face of a generation.

    It would have been easy for her to walk into Congress and hire nothing but communications staff. It would have been easy for her to sell out and do
    the cash grab. She could have publicly made Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and
    Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) lives a living hell just to show off for her supporters.

    Instead, she did her homework and tried to fly under the radar while
    learning the nuances of Congress and the levers of power that run it. She
    did exactly what you would want your number one draft pick to do: She
    prepared for the moment. Her tough questioning of corporations and
    industry leaders has been a viral hit that adds to her credentials. AOC
    rarely backs down from a fight.

    The congresswoman holds no punches when it comes to Sens. Joe Manchin (D- W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.). Echoing my previous calls for Sinema
    to face a primary challenge, AOC publicly declared that she “should be” primaried and said this of Manchin:

    “This idea that one person gets to go on television and provide weak
    arguments as to why they are blocking the basic civil rights of our
    Americans, and journalists don’t push back, and our party leadership
    doesn’t push back, and the president doesn’t push back forcefully — that
    makes me mad.”

    A new CNN poll finds that 75 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Biden in
    2024. Should President Biden announce that he will not seek a second term,
    AOC would represent the bridge that he hoped to create. Much like Barack
    Obama talked about his student loan debt, AOC can uniquely talk about the struggles of a forgotten generation waiting for someone to speak up for
    them.

    If Jan. 6 was a dry run for what we’ll see in 2024, we need an
    inspirational and generational candidate to fight back. Democrats need AOC
    to meet this historic moment.

    The country needs a fresh start. We need someone who can inspire us but
    also look to heal some of our wounds. Most importantly, the country needs
    a president who never wanted to be president. I don’t necessarily agree
    with everything the congresswoman believes, that’s called healthy
    dialogue. But what I believe is that when no one is looking, she’d do
    what’s right for the country, not what’s right for her bank account.

    There is no denying that AOC would boost GOP turnout as a result of
    coverage on right wing networks built to scare elderly white voters. But
    she would electrify the party’s base, turn out the youth at record levels
    and bring the party together by acknowledging the threat posed by electing Trump Republicans.

    In the age of social media and quick sound bites, no Democrat is more
    prepared to embarrass a bully like Donald Trump or Florida governor Ron DeSantis and return some chutzpah to the Democratic Party. There will be
    no going high when they go low anymore. It appears the only rule is there
    are no rules, and AOC is ready to enter the cage and fight for our
    democracy.

    If anyone is prepared to unify the Democratic Party and put the focus back
    on the working class, it’s AOC. Republicans laugh, Democrats fawn, but if voters trust her, we could finally be looking at the first woman
    president.

    It’s not just Democrats that need Ocasio-Cortez to electrify a nation and ensure Trump or DeSantis doesn’t find his way into the White House. We all
    need a leader who knows the price of gas, can tell you the cost of milk
    and still remembers trying to figure out how she could keep the lights on.

    America doesn’t belong to us, it belongs to the generations that will come after us. It is our obligation, in the face of fascism to put up a
    candidate who isn’t just different than the Republicans, but is disgusted
    by Republicans and prepared to say why.

    There will never be another Barack Obama, but I have a feeling we’ll be
    saying the same about AOC. When opportunity meets preparation and history creates the moment, the cream of the crop always rises, leaving everyone
    else behind.

    Democrats want a fighter, not a politician. They want someone who punches
    back and isn’t afraid to say what they mean.

    Michael Starr Hopkins is a founding partner at Northern Starr Strategies.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- shot-against-trump-in-2024/

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 25 20:45:40 2024
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    XPost: alt.comedy

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus>
    wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for
    to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.

    Flash forward to 2018, and the meteoric rise of a 29-year-old bartender
    from Queens feels eerily similar. She has been unafraid, unapologetic and >unwilling to bend to the will of Washington. She is a force to be reckoned >with, and in 2024 Democrats are going to need her force to reckon with >Republicans.

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) is less of a personality and more
    of a movement. Yes, the smart, photogenic congresswoman is the face of the >rising progressive movement, but she is also the future of the Democratic >Party. AOC has cultivated a following beyond politics. She’s an influencer
    in its purest form. Her ability to relate to her supporters and allow them
    a glimpse into her private life is a blueprint for Democrats trying to act >less like mannequins and more like humans.

    She’s the voice of a movement that began after the banks were bailed out
    by the government, while homeowners were left to default. The simplicity
    with which she talks about everyday struggles hints that she’s not just a >persona for consumption. She isn’t beholden to corporations, is a
    prodigious small-dollar fundraiser, and could out-Trump Trump like no
    other politician has been able to.

    If Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the Godfather, Ocasio-Cartez is Michael >Corleone. As the architect of Medicare for All, a $15 minimum wage and >numerous other programs that are now mainstream, Bernie’s place in history >has already been solidified. While Sanders may disagree with some of the >progressives in his caucus, his worth carries major weight. Bernie passing >the torch to AOC and recruiting her to run for president would be bold and >would strengthen and solidify her base of supporters before she even gets
    out of the gate.

    AOC wields a superpower that is rarely found in Washington: She isn’t
    afraid to lose. Her 2018 victory wasn’t just historic, it was shocking,
    and felt predestined — much like when we first saw a brilliant speaker
    with a funny name and big ears remind us that through hope and change we >could put our country on a new course.

    AOC has the ability to tell the story of her generation. She’s Barack
    Obama if Barack Obama was an actual progressive. I love Obama, but he was
    a moderate who sounded like a progressive.

    Ocasio-Cortez represents the possibilities and opportunities that make our >country great. Where else could a 29-year-old bartender upset a political >heavyweight and become a symbol for her generation? AOC was never
    supposed to win her race. Few gave her a chance, but a funny thing
    happened: Voters loved her honesty, youth and humble beginnings. Voters
    were sick of career politicians who rarely came back to their districts.
    So they voted Joe Crowley out and AOC in. That wasn’t luck, that was fate.
    In a Democratic Party that looks more like a Golden Girls spin-off than a >reflection of our rich diversity, AOC has become the face of a generation.

    It would have been easy for her to walk into Congress and hire nothing but >communications staff. It would have been easy for her to sell out and do
    the cash grab. She could have publicly made Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and >Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) lives a living hell just to show off for her >supporters.

    Instead, she did her homework and tried to fly under the radar while
    learning the nuances of Congress and the levers of power that run it. She
    did exactly what you would want your number one draft pick to do: She >prepared for the moment. Her tough questioning of corporations and
    industry leaders has been a viral hit that adds to her credentials. AOC >rarely backs down from a fight.

    The congresswoman holds no punches when it comes to Sens. Joe Manchin (D- >W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.). Echoing my previous calls for Sinema
    to face a primary challenge, AOC publicly declared that she “should be” >primaried and said this of Manchin:

    “This idea that one person gets to go on television and provide weak >arguments as to why they are blocking the basic civil rights of our >Americans, and journalists don’t push back, and our party leadership
    doesn’t push back, and the president doesn’t push back forcefully — that >makes me mad.”

    A new CNN poll finds that 75 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning >voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Biden in
    2024. Should President Biden announce that he will not seek a second term, >AOC would represent the bridge that he hoped to create. Much like Barack >Obama talked about his student loan debt, AOC can uniquely talk about the >struggles of a forgotten generation waiting for someone to speak up for
    them.

    If Jan. 6 was a dry run for what we’ll see in 2024, we need an
    inspirational and generational candidate to fight back. Democrats need AOC
    to meet this historic moment.

    The country needs a fresh start. We need someone who can inspire us but
    also look to heal some of our wounds. Most importantly, the country needs
    a president who never wanted to be president. I don’t necessarily agree
    with everything the congresswoman believes, that’s called healthy
    dialogue. But what I believe is that when no one is looking, she’d do
    what’s right for the country, not what’s right for her bank account.

    There is no denying that AOC would boost GOP turnout as a result of
    coverage on right wing networks built to scare elderly white voters. But
    she would electrify the party’s base, turn out the youth at record levels
    and bring the party together by acknowledging the threat posed by electing >Trump Republicans.

    In the age of social media and quick sound bites, no Democrat is more >prepared to embarrass a bully like Donald Trump or Florida governor Ron >DeSantis and return some chutzpah to the Democratic Party. There will be
    no going high when they go low anymore. It appears the only rule is there
    are no rules, and AOC is ready to enter the cage and fight for our
    democracy.

    If anyone is prepared to unify the Democratic Party and put the focus back
    on the working class, it’s AOC. Republicans laugh, Democrats fawn, but if >voters trust her, we could finally be looking at the first woman
    president.

    It’s not just Democrats that need Ocasio-Cortez to electrify a nation and >ensure Trump or DeSantis doesn’t find his way into the White House. We all >need a leader who knows the price of gas, can tell you the cost of milk
    and still remembers trying to figure out how she could keep the lights on.

    America doesn’t belong to us, it belongs to the generations that will come >after us. It is our obligation, in the face of fascism to put up a
    candidate who isn’t just different than the Republicans, but is disgusted
    by Republicans and prepared to say why.

    There will never be another Barack Obama, but I have a feeling we’ll be >saying the same about AOC. When opportunity meets preparation and history >creates the moment, the cream of the crop always rises, leaving everyone
    else behind.

    Democrats want a fighter, not a politician. They want someone who punches >back and isn’t afraid to say what they mean.

    Michael Starr Hopkins is a founding partner at Northern Starr Strategies.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- >shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Jan 25 22:09:47 2024
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    On 2024-01-26 03:58:43 +0000, Governor Swill said:

    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:45:40 -0500, Governor Swill
    <governor.smell@qmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus>
    wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >>> almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for >>> to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip>
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best-
    shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post. AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    Swill

    Shows you how the jackoffs on the Republican side like to work their
    computer with one hand though.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Jan 25 22:15:52 2024
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    XPost: alt.comedy

    On 1/25/2024 7:58 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:45:40 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.smell@qmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus>
    wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >>> almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for >>> to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip>
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best-
    shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post. AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    She's even more too left-wing for my tastes. However, I think she would make a formidable candidate — not this year, but maybe in four or eight.

    It never ceases to amaze me the way right-wingnuts — knuckle-dragging neo-Nazis
    — continue to underestimate her. Have you seen her in committee meetings tearing
    a hostile witness to shreds, or in press conference interviews? She's brilliant.
    There is not a single substantive policy position of hers that I support — not
    "green new deal," not student loan forgiveness, literally nothing — but when you
    see her shredding shredding the Republiscum/QAnon opposition on their outrageous
    criminal conduct on congressional committees, she's absolutely devastating — a
    true force of nature.

    Keep underestimating her, Trumpswabs. You'll live to regret it...some of you, anyway — the ones who don't get mowed down in your next insurrection.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 25 23:12:22 2024
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    super70s wrote:
    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat
    in 2004, it
    almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been
    waiting for
    to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip>
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- >>>>
    shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post.  AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    Swill

    Shows you how the jackoffs on the Republican side like to work
    their computer with one hand though.

    She's too young for president, and her politics don't go far from
    New York, so I don't follow what she does, good or bad. The
    Democrats do need to get their next generation into campaigning.
    It seems all the names that trip off the tongue have aged into
    geezerhood, as is the destination for all with the bad grace not
    to snuff it.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Jan 26 22:01:18 2024
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    XPost: alt.comedy

    On 2024-01-26, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:45:40 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.smell@qmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus>
    wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >>>almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for >>>to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip> >>>https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- >>>shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post. AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    Swill

    Same here but people like her, age wise, should be the future of government instead old farts like
    McConnell, Schumer and so forth. What do these people know about the up coming younger generation?
    Absolutely nothing.



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    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From Mike Colangelo@21:1/5 to pothead on Fri Jan 26 18:00:33 2024
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    XPost: alt.comedy

    On 1/26/2024 2:01 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:45:40 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.smell@qmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus>
    wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >>>> almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for >>>> to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip>
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- >>>> shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post. AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    Swill

    Same here but people like her, age wise, should be the future of government instead old farts like
    McConnell, Schumer and so forth. What do these people know about the up coming younger generation?
    Absolutely nothing.

    Ocasio-Cortez will hit the bare minimum age for president, 35, in October.

    A constitutional amendment is needed to raise the minimum age to at least 45, preferably 50. People younger than that typically don't have the seasoning and temperament needed.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Mike Colangelo on Sat Jan 27 13:44:08 2024
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    XPost: alt.comedy

    On 2024-01-27, Mike Colangelo <air@vatican_.con> wrote:
    On 1/26/2024 2:01 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:45:40 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.smell@qmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus>
    wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >>>>> almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for >>>>> to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip>
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- >>>>> shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post. AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    Swill

    Same here but people like her, age wise, should be the future of government instead old farts like
    McConnell, Schumer and so forth. What do these people know about the up coming younger generation?
    Absolutely nothing.

    Ocasio-Cortez will hit the bare minimum age for president, 35, in October.

    A constitutional amendment is needed to raise the minimum age to at least 45, preferably 50. People younger than that typically don't have the seasoning and
    temperament needed.

    True statement.
    It takes time to develop a person to the point where they can function effectively as POTUS.
    There are exceptions in history but in general with experience comes wisdom.
    My guess is that AOC will join a cable TV network and start making 7 figures.


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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Jan 27 13:45:15 2024
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    XPost: alt.comedy

    On 2024-01-27, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 22:01:18 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-01-26, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:45:40 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.smell@qmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Jimmy K <jimmyk@drugs.rus> >>>>wrote:

    When Barack Obama came out of nowhere to win his Senate seat in 2004, it >>>>>almost felt preordained. As if he was the person we had been waiting for >>>>>to breathe fresh air into the Democratic Party.
    <snip> >>>>>https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3583238-aoc-is-the-democrats-best- >>>>>shot-against-trump-in-2024/


    She has my vote: https://mrdeepfakes.com/video/6949/aoc-blowjob


    Not my post. AOC is way too left wing for my tastes.

    Swill

    Same here but people like her, age wise, should be the future of government instead old farts like
    McConnell, Schumer and so forth. What do these people know about the up coming younger generation?
    Absolutely nothing.

    Agreed. That includes Trump and Biden in the 'so forth'.

    Swill

    It does which is why I am saddened that Trump v Biden is the best we can come up with.
    Something has to change.

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    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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