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On 1/10/2024 9:37 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> wrote
The consensus of lawyers, judges, historians — and the founders— is that
there is no constitutional state power to secede.
Pity that that is what the declaration of independance [sic] did.
*independence*
And no, it didn't.
Because there is no such power, it is not left to the states via the tenth
amendment.
Mindless legal wanking.
Nope. Your pal scooter said that the tenth amendment *does* leave states with the power to secede, and you agreed with him. But it's wrong — there *is* no power to secede.
The notion that the United States is a "federation"of sovereign states is >> simply wrong.
Even sillier.
No.
The states, like Native American tribes, have an extremely and tightly
circumscribed sovereignty and autonomy.
So do the feds with what they are allowed to do by the constitution.
Domestically. Domestically, there is shared sovereignty. Of course, the nature of a republic is that sovereignty resides in the people.
For example, sovereign states have the power to enter into treaties and
military alliances with other sovereign states; can grant or withhold official
recognition of the governments of other sovereign states; can place tariffs on
goods coming from other sovereign states; etc. American states have no power >> to do any of those things. And sovereign states can withdraw from treaties and
other agreements pursuant to the terms of the agreements.
Duh.
The Constitution is not such a treaty or agreement.
So you are proclaiming that it was handed down by some god or other are you ?
No. I'm stating a fact: it cannot be unilaterally abrogated by a state. The states could convene a constitutional convention at which they agree to dissolve
the Constitution, but no state can leave on its own.
You'll end up blind if you don't watch out, boy.
I didn't say what you thought I said, wanker.
The legal and historical consensus,
No such animal.
Yes, there is.
made official by Texas v. White,
It does no such thing.
It does. That's how our system, which you do not understand, operates.
is that the United States is a perpetual union,
Thats what the king claimed too. He discovered that it wasnt.
It's a perpetual union until a constitutional convention dissolves it.
and there is no power to secede.
Thats what the king claimed too.
Nope.
You don't understand a bit of this.
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