• Re: Would You Do It In A Jet... With A Wet... Teen?

    From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Mon Jan 1 15:38:44 2024
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    On 2024-01-01 15:33, AlleyCat wrote:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCuk_gPXoAARe8a?format=png&name=360x360

    Pretty sure this is just one reason Epstein's dead. How many more pics you think like this, exist?

    Just refresh our memories, Pussey:

    Who was running the government when Epstein died in custody...

    ...while the cameras that could have recorded the details BOTH weren't
    working?

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 1 17:33:40 2024
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCuk_gPXoAARe8a?format=png&name=360x360

    Pretty sure this is just one reason Epstein's dead. How many more pics you think like this, exist?


    How many people do you personally know who have died mysteriously?

    How about in plane crashes or car wrecks?

    Bizarre suicides?

    People beaten to death or murdered in a hail of bullets, or hung in a jail cell?

    And what about violent freak accidents - like separate mountain biking and skiing collisions in Aspen, Colorado? Or barbells crushing a person's throat?

    Apparently, if you're Bill or Hillary Clinton, the answer to that question is at least 33 - and possibly many more.

    "Clinton body count or left-wing conspiracy? Three with ties to DNC mysteriously die."

    Ted Koppel, then-anchor of ABC News' "Nightline," routinly had discussions on the issue following the July 20, 1993, death of White House Deputy Counsel Vince Foster. In fact, he appeared on Koppel's show.

    "One of the things I said was, 'Who knows what happened here? But let me ask you a question.' I said, 'Ted, how many people do you know in your life who've been murdered? Ted, how many people do you know in your life that have died under suspicious circumstances?'

    "Of course, the answer is zilch, zero, nada, none, very few." "Ask the Clintons that question. And it's a significant number. It's a lot of people that they know who have died, who've been murdered.

    "And the same question here from Rachel Alexander. It's amazing the cycle that exists with the Clintons. [Citing Townhall]: 'What it comes down to is this: how many other politicians have you heard of who have had so many mysterious deaths associated with them? You don't hear of a Bush body count - not even an Obama body count.' There is a Clinton body count."

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    Barbara Wise - Nov. 29, 1996

    Barbara Wise, 48, was a 14-year Commerce Department staff member who worked with Ron Brown (see "Ron Brown" entry below, killed in a plane crash) and John Huang, who worked at the Worthen Bank in Little Rock, where he met then-Gov. Bill Clinton. Huang, who was born in China, was also a former executive of the Lippo Group in Indonesia. Huang met with Clinton at the White House 10 times between June 21 and June 27, 1994. As WND reported in 2000, "Right after that, Webster Hubbell ... received $100,000 from the Lippo Group. Shortly after the money was given to Mr. Hubbell, Huang obtained a secret clearance and an executive position as assistant secretary of the Commerce Department. While at the Commerce Department, Huang obtained secret materials on trade deals with Indonesia, China, Japan, Korea and the Middle East. Huang also obtained information on U.S. Patriot missile deals with South Korea and mobile artillery for Kuwait." Asked if he was a spy for Beijing, Huang reportedly took pleaded the Fifth Amendment nearly 2,000 times.

    Wise's body was found partially nude and bruised in her office. Her death was attributed to natural causes, as Wise had reportedly received several blood transfusions for a liver ailment.

    Ron Brown - April 3, 1996

    Ron Brown, who had served as U.S. secretary of commerce, was killed in a plane crash after Hillary Clinton dispatched him on a dubious mission to a war-torn corner of the world, as WND reported. Brown and 34 others died when their Air Force plane crashed into a Croatian mountainside. Brown's flight left the Tuzla airport in Bosnia, a Muslim country where some were hostile to the American presence there.

    "To protect his son Michael from prison, Ron Brown threatened to expose the White House's yet unrevealed Asian fundraising scheme, in which Brown had played a major role," wrote WND contributor and investigative writer Jack Cashill. "Just weeks before his death, Brown started going to church for the first time in ages. He was scared for his life and that of his confidante, Nolanda Hill."

    Cashill noted that the Croatian government suddenly insisted on a Dubrovnik stop, a two-mile deviation from the flight path that the Air Force said was "inexplicable."

    "For the first time ever on friendly soil, the White House ordered the Air Force to skip the 'safety' phase of the investigation and move directly to the 'accident' phase," Cashill wrote. "There would be no consideration other than accident, even though the airport was near the Bosnian border and in a potential hot fire zone.

    "Three days after the crash and two days before his scheduled interview by the Air Force, the Croatian responsible for the airport's navigation system was found dead with a bullet hole in his chest," Cashill continued.

    "A day later, every pathologist who viewed Brown's body back in America concluded that his head wound, at the very least, looked like a bullet hole."

    There would be no autopsy. No forensic testing. No search for an exit wound. Head X-rays were destroyed, or "lost."

    "The three Armed Forces pathologists and the forensic photographer who blew the whistle on this case had their careers destroyed," Cashill wrote. "... [T]he Armed Forces Institute of Pathology brass assured the public that Brown dies of 'multiple blunt force injuries to the head.' He was the only one of the 35 victims to have a reported head wound."

    Charles Meissner - April 3, 1996

    Charles Meissner, the assistant secretary of commerce, had issued John Huang a security clearance. (See "Ron Miller" and "Barbara Wise" entries.) He and Ron Brown were killed in a plane crash. (See "Ron Brown" entry.)

    Stanley Huggins - June 23, 1994

    Stanley Huggins reportedly had been investigating the Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan collapse (see "James McDougal" entry). Reports indicate he died of viral pneumonia before his 300 pages of findings could be released.

    Bill Shelton - June 12, 1994

    Bill Shelton was the fiancé of Kathy Ferguson (see "Kathy Ferguson" entry below), and he questioned whether Ferguson had actually committed suicide.

    Shelton, too, was reported to have committed suicide with a gun at Ferguson's grave site.

    Kathy Ferguson - May 10, 1994

    Kathy Ferguson was reported to have died from a suicide in which she shot herself in the head, though her packed bags were found next to her body, possibly indicating she planned to leave her home.

    Ferguson was the ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, who had been a co- defendant, along with Clinton, in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Danny Ferguson had escorted Paula Jones to Clinton's hotel room. Kathy Ferguson was a corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

    James Bunch - Feb. 11, 1994

    James Bunch, 46, a Texas state employee in Austin who ran a prostitution ring from his office, reportedly died from a suicide involving a gun. Bunch was said to have owned a "little black book" of influential people, including at least one "state legislator," from Texas and Arkansas who visited prostitutes. Bunch's files contained descriptions of his high-profile clients, their sexual preferences, the amount of money they were willing to spend, and whether they were "good" or "bad" clients who might hurt the escorts. According to a report in the Telegraph, "There [was] a possibility that juveniles were involved in his business. Police told the Associated Press Bunch was arrested and interrogated, but he hadn't appeared distraught or suicidal.

    Gandy Baugh - Jan. 8, 1994

    Gandy Baugh, who had been an attorney for Clinton pal and drug convict Dan Lasater, reportedly killed himself by leaping from a window of a tall building. Lasater, a figure in the Whitewater controversy, had been convicted of dealing cocaine and served six months in jail. But Clinton later pardoned him.

    In 1984, Lasater had purchased Angel Fire Resort, a ski resort near Taos, New Mexico, and promoted it using Clinton's name. A U.S. Customs investigative report revealed the resort was used for drug operations and money laundering.

    Ed Willey - Nov. 29, 1993

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    Kathleen Willey

    Kathleen Willey

    In her book alleging a campaign of slander and intimidation orchestrated chiefly by Hillary Clinton, Kathleen Willey pointed a finger of suspicion at the former first couple for the death of her husband, Ed Willey, who was believed to have killed himself.

    Kathleen Willey, who said she was groped by President Clinton in the White House, acknowledged in an interview with WND in November 2007 that she stood by the speculation she posed about her husband's demise in "Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton."

    Asked if she suspected her husband Ed, a lawyer and son of a prominent Virginia lawmaker, was murdered, Willey replied, "Most definitely."

    Did she believe the Clintons were involved?

    "I do have suspicions," Willey said, "yes."

    It was Ed Willey's dire financial straits that prompted Kathleen, then a White House volunteer, to seek a meeting with President Clinton in the Oval Office to plead for a paying job and any other help the commander-in-chief could give.

    But Willey alleges the Nov. 29, 1993, meeting ended abruptly when the president cornered her in a private passageway and sexually assaulted her.

    At the time of that meeting, Clinton and Willey were unaware that Ed Willey was lying dead of a gunshot wound to his mouth in the woods near his car, parked on a hunting path in rural King and Queen County, Virginia.

    What makes a book about Bill and Hillary Clinton so explosive that someone would STEAL it? Kathleen Willey tells America the shocking story in her book, "Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton."

    Kathleen Willey became known in the summer of 1997 after lawyers for Clinton accuser Paula Jones gave her name to a national magazine reporter. She was scheduled to become one of only three witnesses in the Clinton impeachment trial until some members of the House and Senate refused to allow her to testify.

    In the book, Willey recounts numerous incidents she believes were designed to terrorize her into silence, with the latest taking place in September, just as the book was in its final stages.

    As WND reported, Willey said she was the target of an unusual house burglary over the Labor Day weekend for which she blames the Clintons. While asleep upstairs in her Virginia home, she said, a copy of a manuscript for "Target" was stolen.

    Willey told WND the break-in at her house reminded her of the widely reported incident 10 years ago in which she claimed she was threatened near her present Richmond-area home by a "jogger" just two days before she was to testify against President Clinton in the Jones case.

    She contends elements of the autopsy report of her husband's death are inconsistent with suicide, pointing to similarities to the death of White House aide Vince Foster, also believed to have killed himself. (See "Vince Foster" entry.)

    "I've seen too much evidence regarding other people who have been involved with the Clintons," she told WND.

    Facing a deadline to repay hundreds of thousands of dollars he owed to "bad people" who threatened him, Ed Willey had an apparent motive for suicide, and five notes to loved ones were discovered by his secretary.

    But Kathleen Willey writes "she could never understand how he could leave us," noting that while the letters are in his writing, "I also know that anyone would write anything at gunpoint."

    What motive could anyone have to murder him?

    Willey writes that after her husband's death, her friend Carole in Colorado told her something she had not known. Ed had confided to Carole's husband that he had taken a briefcase full of cash to Little Rock, Ark., during the presidential campaign.

    Willey said she was shocked but acknowledged her husband could have done it. Later she found a reference on a blog that explored illegal fundraising activities by the Clintons and noted Ed Willey was known for "handling large briefcases full of cash" as part of the 1992 presidential campaign.

    She speculates: "I have no idea how anyone other than the Clintons would know that Ed might have carried cash in briefcases. So why would he be killed? Because he was carrying illegal money? That's probably not enough reason. But what if, in his desperation, Ed had 'illegally borrowed' from the campaign?"

    In the book, Willey says she goes back and forth in her mind on what happened to her husband, and "as I do, the possibility lingers, logical or not, that Ed was murdered."

    Jerry Luther Parks - Sept. 26, 1993

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    Jerry Luther Parks

    Jerry Luther Parks

    Two months after White House Deputy Counsel Vince Foster died, Jerry Luther Parks - who had been head of security for Bill Clinton's headquarters in Little Rock, Arkansas, during the 1992 presidential campaign and gubernatorial years - was shot through the rear window of his car with a semiautomatic handgun.

    As WND reported, Jerry Luther Parks was reportedly watching a news bulletin on the death of Vincent Foster (see "Vince Foster" entry below) when he turned from the television and muttered, "I'm a dead man." His son, Gary, was with him in the room. It was July 21, 1993. Foster had just been found dead in Fort Marcy Park, about seven miles from the White House, across the Potomac River in Virginia. Foster had been shot through the head, said the bulletin, an apparent suicide. (See "Vince Foster" entry below.)

    British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard interviewed the Parks family extensively. In "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," he reported that Parks was a nervous wreck for the next two months. He packed a gun and drove evasively to shake off any possible pursuers. At one point, Parks told his family that Bill Clinton was "cleaning house" and that he was "next on the list."

    On Sept. 23, 1993, as Parks was driving to his suburban Little Rock home along the Chenal Parkway, a white Chevrolet Caprice with two men inside drove alongside and peppered Parks' car with semiautomatic gunfire. Parks's car ground to a halt. A man emerged from the white Chevy, fired two rounds into Parks' chest with a 9-mm pistol, then sped off.

    Several witnesses watched the murder. The killers were never found. As with so many other "Arkancides" - the name given to the long list of suspicious deaths among Arkansas associates of the Clintons - Big Media ignored the event.

    One of the last people to see Vincent Foster alive was Linda Tripp, who then worked as a secretary for Foster's boss, White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum. Tripp testified before Kenneth Starr's grand jury on July 28, 1998, that the reason she had leaked Monica Lewinsky's story to Michael Isikoff at Newsweek was that Tripp hoped the spotlight of national publicity might protect her from physical harm.

    "I am afraid of this administration," Tripp told the grand jury.

    She continued, "I have what I consider to be well-founded fears of what they are capable of ... I had reasons to believe that the Vince Foster tragedy was not depicted accurately under oath by members of the administration ... I knew based on personal knowledge, personal observations, that they were lying under oath. So it became very fearful to me that I had information even back then that was dangerous."

    A juror asked, "But do you have any examples of violence being done by the administration to people who were a threat to them?"

    Tripp named Jerry Parks: "[T]he behavior in the West Wing with senior staff to the president during the time the Jerry Parks [murder report] came over the fax frightened me. He had been killed," she said.

    The "flurry of activity," the closed-door meetings and the "hush-hush" atmosphere in the White House all struck her as ominous and frightening.

    "Maybe you had to be there," said Tripp.

    "[The news of Parks' death] was something they wanted to get out in front of. There was talk that this would be another body to add to the list of 40 bodies or something that were associated with the Clinton administration. At that time, I didn't know what that meant. I have since come to see such a list."

    After the murder, Gary Parks told a staffer of the New York Observer his father and Vince Foster had investigated Clinton's affairs at Hillary's request.

    "He said that Vince Foster had called up his father, who was working as a private investigator, to look into Clinton's romantic life in about 1980, after Bill Clinton had lost the governor's office following his first term. Parks said Hillary wanted a divorce. It looked like maybe the juggernaut she'd believed in, and married, was over. Clinton had by then lost two big races and won two. Till the Comeback Kid-boy is Bill Clinton gutsy-won back the governorship in 1982. But in the early 80s, Parks said, Hillary asked her law partner Vince Foster to prepare a divorce case and Foster called Parks, who compiled a dossier of women's statements. Parks said that Hillary later decided against a divorce, but that his father held on to the dossier. Then in 1993, Parks said, after Vince Foster went to Washington, he demanded the return of the file, and even called Jerry Parks in the days before his, Foster's, death, to demand it. And that two months later his father was murdered, because, Parks said, he had held out on returning the file. (The L.R. police never solved his father's murder, not when I was looking into it a few years afterward.)"

    Dr. Stanley Heard - Sept. 10, 1993

    Dr. Stanley Heard of Hot Springs, Arkansas, had treated Bill Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother and served as chairman of Clinton's National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. He was killed, along with his attorney, Steve Dickson, of Topeka, Kansas, in a plane crash 50 miles west of Washington.

    The plane radioed to Dulles that there was a fire before it crashed. That aircraft was the second one to cause problems for Dickson on the trip.

    In 1993, the Washington Post reported, "Dickson flew his own plane from Topeka, but on the way to Washington it developed problems in St. Louis. There, he left his plane for repair and rented another plane."

    The National Transportation and Security Board said the crash was due to " an inadequate annual inspection of the airplane and non-compliance with airworthiness directives by company maintenance personnel."

    Jon Parnell Walker - Aug. 15, 1993

    Jon Parnell Walker fell to his death from the top of the Lincoln Towers building in Arlington, Virginia.

    On July 10, 1994, Connecticut's The Day newspaper reported, "In March 1992, Walker, and investigator for the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC), had contacted the Kansas City RTC regional office for information concerning possible ties between Whitewater Development, Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan [above] and the Clintons."

    Vince Foster - July 20, 1993

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    Hillary and Vince Foster

    Hillary and Vince Foster

    Vince Foster was deputy White House counsel and Hillary's friend and law partner who had connections to the Travelgate and Whitewater scandals. In 1993, Foster was found dead in a park with a fatal gunshot wound to his mouth. As WND reported, his suicide was the subject of much speculation and three official investigations.

    Investigations by the U.S. Park Police, the Department of Justice, the FBI, Congress, Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr concluded Foster's death was a suicide. However, as WND reported in 2003, one of Starr's key investigators challenged the official line, insisting the probe's result was predetermined, only a few plotters were required to engineer the result, the crime scene was altered and that major newspaper editors killed stories by reporters pursuing the truth. The Washington Post reported that federal investigators were not allowed to enter Foster's office after his death, but "White House aides enter[ed] Foster's office shortly after his death, giving rise to speculation that files were removed from his office."

    In his 2005 book "The Truth about Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, And How Far She'll Go to Become President," Edward Klein wrote of Hillary's involvement in the effort to remove Foster's files:

    The night of [Foster's] death, Hillary launched one of the most shameful - and illegal - cover-ups of her entire career.

    She sent two of her most trusted White House loyalists - Maggie Williams, the First Lady's chief of staff, and Patsy Thomasson, who was in charge of White House administration - into Foster's office to retrieve embarrassing and incriminating documents related to Whitewater and Hillary's other personal affairs. While White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum barred investigators from entering Foster's office, Maggie Williams, Patsy Thomasson, and Craig Livingston, Hillary's director of White House security, removed armloads of files and loose-leaf binders.

    "In addition, a White House staffer allegedly tampered with the titles of several memos and removed the first lady's initials in an effort to erase her role in improper behavior."

    Jim Wilhite - Dec. 21, 1992

    Jim Whilhite, 54, vice chairman of ARKLA (see "Ron Miller" entry), is killed in a one-man skiing accident. He reportedly "suffered severe head injuries when he skied into a tree on Snowmass Mountain in Aspen, Colorado, while on a family vacation." He had planned to retire from ARKLA the following April.

    C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser - July 30, 1992

    C. Victor Raiser II, the finance co-chairman of Bill Clinton's presidential campaign, was killed in a plane crash, along with his son, Montgomery, and three other passengers. Another passenger and the pilot were injured.

    Clinton campaign Press Secretary Dee Dee Myers described C. Victor Raiser II as "a major player" in the Clinton organization, according to the New York Times. He was the national finance co-chairman of Clinton's presidential campaign and had been a friend of the Clintons for about a decade. He was also previously the national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National Policy and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council.

    Susan Coleman - Feb. 15, 1977

    Susan Coleman, who was pregnant at the time of her death, was rumored to have had an affair with Clinton while he was still Arkansas attorney general. Clinton had been Coleman's law professor at the university of Arkansas in Fayetteville.

    Though Coleman died of a gunshot wound to the back of her head, her death was ruled a suicide.

    ==================================================================

    A number of people connected to Bill Clinton have turned up dead.

    James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Was James McDougal Murdered In A Federal Prison To Silence Him?

    Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

    The Botched Ron Brown Investigation

    An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski
    by Wesley Phelan

    Vince Foster - Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Snippets From The Vince Foster Death Investigation

    Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
    Mary C. Mahoney and Eric Butera

    Was this just a robbery gone bad? - See: Starbucks Suspect Faces Host of Charges By Bill Miller Washington Post, August 5, 1999

    C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

    Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

    Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

    Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

    James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

    James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

    Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

    Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave-site of his fiancée.

    Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

    Florence Martin - Accountant - Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

    Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

    Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

    Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

    Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

    Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

    Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

    Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

    Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

    Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

    Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

    Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

    Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

    Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. see: The Train Deaths - plus some comments from a mother of one of the boys about the connection to Bill Clinton..
    THE FOLLOWING SEVEN PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

    Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988

    Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

    Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

    Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

    James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

    Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

    Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
    THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD
    Major William S. Barkley Jr.
    Captain Scott J. Reynolds
    Sgt. Brian Hanley
    Sgt. Tim Sabel
    Major General William Robertson
    Col. William Densberger
    Col. Robert Kelly
    Spec. Gary Rhode

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 1 19:35:52 2024
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    On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 15:38:44 -0800, Alan says...


    On 2024-01-01 15:33, AlleyCat wrote:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCuk_gPXoAARe8a?format=png&name=360x360

    Pretty sure this is just one reason Epstein's dead. How many more pics you think like this, exist?

    Just refresh our memories, Pussey:

    Who was running the government when Epstein died in custody...

    ...while the cameras that could have recorded the details BOTH weren't working?

    Trump Killed Epstein???!!!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    7:30 PM 1/1/2024

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Mon Jan 1 17:37:47 2024
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    On 2024-01-01 17:35, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 15:38:44 -0800, Alan says...


    On 2024-01-01 15:33, AlleyCat wrote:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCuk_gPXoAARe8a?format=png&name=360x360

    Pretty sure this is just one reason Epstein's dead. How many more pics you >>> think like this, exist?

    Just refresh our memories, Pussey:

    Who was running the government when Epstein died in custody...

    ...while the cameras that could have recorded the details BOTH weren't
    working?

    Trump Killed Epstein???!!!

    Did I say that?


    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    7:30 PM 1/1/2024

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 2 16:29:13 2024
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    On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 17:37:47 -0800, Alan says...

    On 2024-01-01 15:33, AlleyCat wrote:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCuk_gPXoAARe8a?format=png&name=360x360

    Pretty sure this is just one reason Epstein's dead. How many more pics you
    think like this, exist?

    Just refresh our memories, Pussey:

    Who was running the government when Epstein died in custody...

    ...while the cameras that could have recorded the details BOTH weren't
    working?

    Trump Killed Epstein???!!!

    Did I say that?

    Les rôles sont inversés.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implication

    When The Narcissist Fails

    A Cautionary Examination of How Narcissists React To Failure


    Key points

    Any public embarrassment of a narcissist can cause them to unleash further anger, rage, attacks, unethical comportment, and incivility.
    Even in light of factual evidence to the contrary, a narcissist who fails will lie more profusely and adamantly.
    As a narcissist faces failure, arrest, indictment, or dismissal, they will endlessly air their grievances.

    Not without cause, malignant narcissism is one of the most searched-for topics on the internet in part because seemingly there are so many people that appear to have those toxic traits that negatively impact us. These individuals are notorious because they destabilize our lives, make us feel insecure, undervalued, disparaged, or inconsequential, and as I noted in my book, Dangerous Personalities, they can victimize us emotionally, physically, and even financially. They come into our lives as family members, friends, lovers, spouses, colleagues at work, bosses, or worst as national leaders. Once they enter our orbit, no matter how distant, toxicity is what they have in common and they always leave a debris field of human suffering behind them.

    By now, we recognize how dangerous these individuals are, precisely because their pathology drives so much of their sordid behavior, especially toward others. Their common traits such as a hyper-inflated sense of entitlement, grandiose feelings of superiority or uniqueness, delusions of infallibility, incessant disregard for the truth, perennial conniving and scheming to take advantage of others, feeling that rules and laws don't apply to them, and of course the need to debase others, coupled with callousness, not only wears on us, it can have devastating consequences.

    The one area that is rarely talked about when it comes to malignant narcissists is what happens when they fail. Failure in private, at work, or as leaders for the narcissist can be quite disquieting if not traumatic for the rest of us. As Stuart Yudofsky notes in Fatal Flaws, these individuals are so severely "flawed of character," that they handle failure much differently than you and I because they are not introspective or capable of reform, and are lacking in empathy for others.

    We often see narcissists in glowing terms as successful leaders of industry, or as heads of state, and yet, more often than not, their malignancy will likely, in time, ensure their own downfall, failure, or even arrest. Be it because they cheat on taxes, because they embezzle money, they circumvent rules and laws, they cheat business partners, they devalue and torment their family or domestic partner to the point of divorce, or in the case of cults (thinking of Jim Jones and Charles Manson here) or as national leaders, they can lead their followers or their nation into actions that are destructive. And so, when calamity strikes or failure of some sort is inevitable, how the narcissist reacts and what we, as potential victims of their actions can expect to see, is what this article is about.

    As with many personality disorders, those who are severely flawed of character, but especially the narcissist, when they face public disgrace, when they are outed as criminals or for their misbehavior, or when they fail in a very public way-that is when they become metastable, placing us as family, friends, co- workers, corporations, the public, or a nation in greatest danger. When things begin to sour for the narcissist, here is what we can expect:

    They will falsely claim that everything is fine and that there is nothing wrong. They will try to first misdirect us or claim there is nothing to the allegations or circumstances.

    If evidence is presented, they will seek to have it invalidated or claim that it is false, fake, or a product of vague conspiracies, but most certainly not true.

    Any evidence presented, and those that present it will be attacked aggressively and vindictively. The better the evidence, the more aggressive the attack. Individuals who are doing the right thing by reporting criminal acts, unethical behavior, or failings are to be discredited, humiliated, hounded, and bullied- not even their families are to be spared if need be. The narcissist will engage supporters or enablers to simultaneously attack those who offer proof or evidence, even if it embarrassingly exposes their poodle-like behavior as that of spineless sycophants.

    Foolproof evidence will be portrayed as false and the result of pettiness, jealousies, bad actors, malicious individuals, negativity, haters, enemies, losers, conspirators, opposition, gain seekers, the faithless (usually seen in religious groups or cults), or as we are seeing now in American politics, "fake news" or "deep state" actors. There is always a large constellation of people to blame, the narcissist casts wide to see which vacuous claim resonates, especially with their supporters.

    As they lash out with vindictiveness, the malignant narcissist will continue to talk about themselves in glowing terms; irrespective of their actual situation, as they are incapable of introspection, much less contriteness. They will trumpet their greatness, their achievements (real or imagined), their faux infallibility, and even portray themselves as worthy of being revered rather than reviled.

    They will seek to find someone to blame for their troubles or downfall, preferably someone that cannot defend themselves. A scapegoat is always useful and when there is not a real one, one will be invented. If they are not promoted or fired, it is because a cabal at work was against them. If they cheat their business partners, it was because they deserved it. If the wife gets the kids in a divorce settlement, it is because of her dastardly attorney, not his abominable behavior. If they lose an election it is because of campaign managers, unappreciative voters, trickery, fraud, or some other kind of malfeasance on the part of a conspiracy (conspiracies are useful to the narcissist because they conveniently require no evidence). As they are not married to the truth, they will prattle countless baseless reasons that all point away, never at themselves.

    As circumstances become dire, the narcissist will not take any responsibility- ever. Anything that has gone wrong is the responsibility of others. They will blame spouses as undeserving of their greatness, ignorant colleagues who just don't measure up, the disloyal (Oh, they love to blame the disloyal), those who abide by rules and laws because ironically, they abide by rules and laws, or those that just clearly did not understand the very specialness of the narcissist. Everyone, and I mean everyone from people long gone, to the peripherally connected, to the earthly departed will be blamed for the failure or downfall of the narcissist. Once more it is never their fault.

    In the process of casting blame, even the most loyal and stalwart will be discarded and denigrated if needed with reptilian indifference. For the malignant narcissist, there is only the "good" - those that provide blind, unwavering loyalty and who are useful, and everyone else who is an enemy, useless, and thus "bad." Whether you are in or out, good or bad, is not determined by history, by friendship, sacrifices, or how well you have performed in the past-it is determined by the capricious and selfish needs of the narcissist, and that can change in a moment.

    Expect lies to increase and to be repeated exponentially. They will, even in light of factual evidence to the contrary, lie more profusely and adamantly. Lies are and always will be the number one tool of the malignant narcissist. The only difference now is that in facing failure or public ridicule, the lies must increase in frequency and audacity to the point of incredulity. The narcissist will expect supporters, the unethical, and enablers to lie for them or even create plausible alibies. That they imperil others by compelling them to lie is the collateral damage the malignant narcissist does as they thrash in despair when they are failing or caught.

    And while lies will increase, so too will be the need to devalue others in order to further value themselves. They will attack everyone and anyone in the most vicious and vindictive ways. This is when we see their rage come through. Not just anger, but unbridled rage. They will say things that shock the conscience and they expect everyone to swallow what they say, much as their enablers do. The most decent of persons will be attacked, mocked, ridiculed, and turned into a human chew-toy as the narcissist unleashes untethered rage and hatred. They will dip down into a bottomless cauldron of antipathy and like an arterial spurt, will spew this toxic brew far and wide with metronomic regularity.

    The malignant narcissist, lacking guilt or a conscience, is only concerned with respect and not being publicly shamed. Any kind of public embarrassment will cause them further anger, further rage, further attacks, further unethical comportment, and unprecedented incivility.

    If the narcissist is going to be brought down, they will also seek to bring everyone else around them down to vindictively make them suffer. How the narcissist vilifies, lashes out, or destroys others (spouse, friends, business partners, workmates, the general public) is up to the morbid creativity and depravity of the malignant narcissist, the viable tools they have available, and of course how dire or desperate the situation. The internet and social media are certainly useful as lives can be ruined with a single tweet. But so are guns and rifles, poison, and even assassins for hire. And if they command a country, they can put the security organs or the military to work on their behalf.

    In certain situations, as the end nears, the suffering of others is paramount to the malignant narcissist. It is their way of elevating themselves-sick as that sounds-by malevolently paying back society with even more suffering. As they lash out, they will show no concern or empathy because they have none. If others are suffering because of their actions, the narcissist simply does not care. Lacking a conscience or any kind of remorse, much like Robert Hare's psychopath, they sleep very well at night while everyone else is anxious, worried, stressed, physically or psychologically traumatizes all the while nervously and justifiably pondering what further malevolence will take place.

    As they face failure, arrest, indictment, or dismissal, they will endlessly air their grievances. Narcissists are natural wound collectors and as such, they have been collecting and nurturing social slights and perceived wrongs just for this occasion. They will wallow in victimhood claiming they have been relentlessly and needlessly persecuted. They, of course, expect their attorneys, followers, or enablers to subserviently echo their flatulent claims.

    So, what happens in the end? Difficult to predict. Each circumstance is different. Some will kick and flail and disappear for a while, intentionally or thanks to incarceration-biding their time until they can do it all over again. Others regroup, plan, scheme, and prepare another triumphant entry into the lives of the unsuspecting to victimize them when the opportunity arises. Others, unfortunately, will seek to do harm as they face a breakup, a divorce, are fired from a job, are outed for their crimes, or are removed from office. Others will hound, stalk, or just make life intolerable for those they deem responsible. Their past can often give us insight as to what they might do, but one can never be sure-humans are terribly complex and as with many afflicted with a personality disorder, sensitive to the smallest of unrecognized but catalytic triggers.

    In the case of narcissistic cult leaders, the cult members often pay with their lives as they did in Jonestown Guyana when Jim Jones came under investigation. In interpersonal relationships, violence is always something to be concerned about as J. Reid Meloy reminds us in his book, Violent Attachments.

    And of course, in politics, much harm can be done when power can be wielded-but the worst comes when a malignantly narcissistic leader or head of state, severely flawed of character, claims that only they can fix things, that only they can shape the future, that only they have the answers, and that only they have a grand vision for the future and so out of necessity they must stay on to save us.

    When you hear that, it should give you pause. That is when we have to worry the most. If you don't believe me, let me tell you about one malignant narcissist of note. You may have heard of him-he was an Austrian corporal who painted postcards for a living. Full of himself and with no shortage of grandiose ideas, he decided on his own to run for office with one goal among various, which was to "Deutschland wieder großartig machen" - to make Germany great again.

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