• Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100

    From Biased Journalism@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 18:27:38 2023
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    <http://apnews.com>
    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100 | AP News
    NANCY BENAC

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the diplomat
    with the thick glasses and gravelly voice who dominated foreign policy as
    the United States extricated itself from Vietnam and broke down barriers
    with China, died Wednesday, his consulting firm said. He was 100.

    With his gruff yet commanding presence and behind-the-scenes manipulation
    of power, Kissinger exerted uncommon influence on global affairs under Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, earning both vilification and
    the Nobel Peace Prize. Decades later, his name still provoked impassioned debate over foreign policy landmarks long past.

    Kissinger's power grew during the turmoil of Watergate, when the
    politically attuned diplomat assumed a role akin to co-president to the weakened Nixon.

    "No doubt my vanity was piqued," Kissinger later wrote of his expanding influence. "But the dominant emotion was a premonition of catastrophe."

    A Jew who fled Nazi Germany with his family in his teens, Kissinger in his later years cultivated the reputation of respected statesman, giving
    speeches, offering advice to Republicans and Democrats alike and managing
    a global consulting business. He turned up in President Donald Trump's
    White House on multiple occasions. But Nixon-era documents and tapes, as
    they trickled out over the years, brought revelations - many in
    Kissinger's own words - that sometimes cast him in a harsh light.

    Never without his detractors, Kissinger after he left government was
    dogged by critics who argued that he should be called to account for his policies on Southeast Asia and support of repressive regimes in Latin
    America.

    For eight restless years - first as national security adviser, later as secretary of state, and for a time in the middle holding both titles - Kissinger ranged across the breadth of major foreign policy issues. He conducted the first "shuttle diplomacy" in the quest for Middle East
    peace. He used secret channels to pursue ties between the United States
    and China, ending decades of isolation and mutual hostility.

    He initiated the Paris negotiations that ultimately provided a face-saving means - a "decent interval," he called it - to get the United States out
    of a costly war in Vietnam. Two years later, Saigon fell to the
    communists.

    And he pursued a policy of detente with the Soviet Union that led to arms control agreements and raised the possibility that the tensions of the
    Cold War and its nuclear threat did not have to last forever.

    At age 99, he was still out on tour for his book on leadership. Asked in
    July 2022 interview with ABC whether he wished he could take back any of
    his decisions, Kissinger demurred, saying: "I've been thinking about these problems all my life. It's my hobby as well as my occupation. And so the recommendations I made were the best of which I was then capable."

    Even then, he had mixed thoughts on Nixon's record, saying "his foreign
    policy has held up and he was quite effective in domestic policy" while allowing that the disgraced president had "permitted himself to be
    involved in a number of steps that were inappropriate for a president."

    As Kissinger turned 100 in May 2023, his son David wrote in The Washington
    Post that his father's centenary "might have an air of inevitability for
    anyone familiar with his force of character and love of historical
    symbolism. Not only has he outlived most of his peers, eminent detractors
    and students, but he has also remained indefatigably active throughout his 90s."

    Asked during a CBS interview in the lead up to his 100th birthday about
    those who view his conduct of foreign policy over the years as a kind of "criminality," Kissinger was nothing but dismissive.

    "That's a reflection of their ignorance," Kissinger said. "It wasn't
    conceived that way. It wasn't conducted that way."

    His consulting firm said Kissinger died at his home in Connecticut.

    Kissinger was a practitioner of realpolitik - using diplomacy to achieve practical objectives rather than advance lofty ideals. Supporters said his pragmatic bent served U.S. interests; critics saw a Machiavellian approach
    that ran counter to democratic ideals.

    He was castigated for authorizing telephone wiretaps of reporters and his
    own National Security Council staff to plug news leaks in Nixon's White
    House. He was denounced on college campuses for the bombing and allied
    invasion of Cambodia in April 1970, intended to destroy North Vietnamese
    supply lines to communist forces in South Vietnam.

    That "incursion," as Nixon and Kissinger called it, was blamed by some for contributing to Cambodia's fall into the hands of Khmer Rouge insurgents
    who later slaughtered some 2 million Cambodians.

    Kissinger, for his part, made it his mission to debunk what he referred to
    in 2007 as a "prevalent myth" - that he and Nixon had settled in 1972 for
    peace terms that had been available in 1969 and thus had needlessly
    prolonged the Vietnam War at the cost of tens of thousands of American
    lives.

    He insisted that the only way to speed up the withdrawal would have been
    to agree to Hanoi's demands that the U.S. overthrow the South Vietnamese government and replace it with communist-dominated leadership.

    Pudgy and messy, Kissinger incongruously acquired a reputation as a
    ladies' man in the staid Nixon administration. Kissinger, who had divorced
    his first wife in 1964, called women "a diversion, a hobby." Jill St. John
    was a frequent companion. But it turned out his real love interest was
    Nancy Maginnes, a researcher for Nelson Rockefeller whom he married in
    1974.

    In a 1972 poll of Playboy Club Bunnies, the man dubbed "Super-K" by
    Newsweek finished first as "the man I would most like to go out on a date with."

    Kissinger's explanation: "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac."

    Yet Kissinger was reviled by many Americans for his conduct of wartime diplomacy. He was still a lightning rod decades later: In 2015, an
    appearance by the 91-year-old Kissinger before the Senate Armed Services Committee was disrupted by protesters demanding his arrest for war crimes
    and calling out his actions in Southeast Asia, Chile and beyond.

    Heinz Alfred Kissinger was born in the Bavarian city of Fuerth on May 27,
    1923, the son of a schoolteacher. His family left Nazi Germany in 1938 and settled in Manhattan, where Heinz changed his name to Henry.

    Kissinger had two children, Elizabeth and David, from his first marriage.
    ___

    The late AP Diplomatic Writer Barry Schweid contributed to this report.




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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Wed Nov 29 19:51:19 2023
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    On 11/29/23 19:41, Max Boot wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 6:27 PM, Biased Journalism wrote:

      <http://apnews.com>
    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100 | AP News

    Kissinger was a war criminal. He should have died in prison.


    Max, you are an idiot.
    The war criminals were JFK and LBJ who pushed our nations
    finest youth into a needless meat grinder that killed
    over 50,000 of them. Over 500,000 of us were in
    Vietnam when Nixon got voted in.
    Kissinger and Nixon got us out of that stupid war, got
    our P.O.W.s back and set the stage for the relaxing of the
    worst of the nuclear fears.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 19:56:48 2023
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    On 11/29/2023 7:51 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 11/29/23 19:41, Max Boot wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 6:27 PM, Biased Journalism wrote:

      <http://apnews.com>
    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100 | AP News

    Kissinger was a war criminal. He should have died in prison.


    Max, you are an idiot.

    No, you fucking idiot liar, you are.

    The war criminals were JFK and LBJ who pushed our nations
    finest youth into a needless meat grinder that killed
    over 50,000 of them.

    Nearly *half* of those deaths occurred after Kissinger helped Nixon sabotage the
    peace talks in 1968.

    Kissinger helped to prolong the Vietnam War and expand that conflict into
    neutral Cambodia; facilitated genocides in Cambodia, East Timor, and
    Bangladesh; accelerated civil wars in southern Africa; and supported coups
    and death squads throughout Latin America. He had the blood of at least 3
    million people on his hands, according to his biographer Greg Grandin.

    There were “few people who have had a hand in as much death and destruction,
    as much human suffering, in so many places around the world as Henry
    Kissinger,” said veteran war crimes prosecutor Reed Brody.

    https://theintercept.com/2023/11/29/henry-kissinger-death/

    Shut the fuck up, you Nazi cocksucker, or you're going to face big trouble.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to Biased Journalism on Wed Nov 29 19:41:19 2023
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    On 11/29/2023 6:27 PM, Biased Journalism wrote:

    <http://apnews.com>
    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100 | AP News

    Kissinger was a war criminal. He should have died in prison.


    NANCY BENAC

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the diplomat with the thick glasses and gravelly voice who dominated foreign policy as
    the United States extricated itself from Vietnam and broke down barriers
    with China, died Wednesday, his consulting firm said. He was 100.

    With his gruff yet commanding presence and behind-the-scenes manipulation
    of power, Kissinger exerted uncommon influence on global affairs under Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, earning both vilification and
    the Nobel Peace Prize. Decades later, his name still provoked impassioned debate over foreign policy landmarks long past.

    Kissinger's power grew during the turmoil of Watergate, when the
    politically attuned diplomat assumed a role akin to co-president to the weakened Nixon.

    "No doubt my vanity was piqued," Kissinger later wrote of his expanding influence. "But the dominant emotion was a premonition of catastrophe."

    A Jew who fled Nazi Germany with his family in his teens, Kissinger in his later years cultivated the reputation of respected statesman, giving speeches, offering advice to Republicans and Democrats alike and managing
    a global consulting business. He turned up in President Donald Trump's
    White House on multiple occasions. But Nixon-era documents and tapes, as
    they trickled out over the years, brought revelations - many in
    Kissinger's own words - that sometimes cast him in a harsh light.

    Never without his detractors, Kissinger after he left government was
    dogged by critics who argued that he should be called to account for his policies on Southeast Asia and support of repressive regimes in Latin America.

    For eight restless years - first as national security adviser, later as secretary of state, and for a time in the middle holding both titles - Kissinger ranged across the breadth of major foreign policy issues. He conducted the first "shuttle diplomacy" in the quest for Middle East
    peace. He used secret channels to pursue ties between the United States
    and China, ending decades of isolation and mutual hostility.

    He initiated the Paris negotiations that ultimately provided a face-saving means - a "decent interval," he called it - to get the United States out
    of a costly war in Vietnam. Two years later, Saigon fell to the
    communists.

    And he pursued a policy of detente with the Soviet Union that led to arms control agreements and raised the possibility that the tensions of the
    Cold War and its nuclear threat did not have to last forever.

    At age 99, he was still out on tour for his book on leadership. Asked in
    July 2022 interview with ABC whether he wished he could take back any of
    his decisions, Kissinger demurred, saying: "I've been thinking about these problems all my life. It's my hobby as well as my occupation. And so the recommendations I made were the best of which I was then capable."

    Even then, he had mixed thoughts on Nixon's record, saying "his foreign policy has held up and he was quite effective in domestic policy" while allowing that the disgraced president had "permitted himself to be
    involved in a number of steps that were inappropriate for a president."

    As Kissinger turned 100 in May 2023, his son David wrote in The Washington Post that his father's centenary "might have an air of inevitability for anyone familiar with his force of character and love of historical
    symbolism. Not only has he outlived most of his peers, eminent detractors
    and students, but he has also remained indefatigably active throughout his 90s."

    Asked during a CBS interview in the lead up to his 100th birthday about
    those who view his conduct of foreign policy over the years as a kind of "criminality," Kissinger was nothing but dismissive.

    "That's a reflection of their ignorance," Kissinger said. "It wasn't conceived that way. It wasn't conducted that way."

    His consulting firm said Kissinger died at his home in Connecticut.

    Kissinger was a practitioner of realpolitik - using diplomacy to achieve practical objectives rather than advance lofty ideals. Supporters said his pragmatic bent served U.S. interests; critics saw a Machiavellian approach that ran counter to democratic ideals.

    He was castigated for authorizing telephone wiretaps of reporters and his
    own National Security Council staff to plug news leaks in Nixon's White House. He was denounced on college campuses for the bombing and allied invasion of Cambodia in April 1970, intended to destroy North Vietnamese supply lines to communist forces in South Vietnam.

    That "incursion," as Nixon and Kissinger called it, was blamed by some for contributing to Cambodia's fall into the hands of Khmer Rouge insurgents
    who later slaughtered some 2 million Cambodians.

    Kissinger, for his part, made it his mission to debunk what he referred to
    in 2007 as a "prevalent myth" - that he and Nixon had settled in 1972 for peace terms that had been available in 1969 and thus had needlessly
    prolonged the Vietnam War at the cost of tens of thousands of American
    lives.

    He insisted that the only way to speed up the withdrawal would have been
    to agree to Hanoi's demands that the U.S. overthrow the South Vietnamese government and replace it with communist-dominated leadership.

    Pudgy and messy, Kissinger incongruously acquired a reputation as a
    ladies' man in the staid Nixon administration. Kissinger, who had divorced his first wife in 1964, called women "a diversion, a hobby." Jill St. John was a frequent companion. But it turned out his real love interest was
    Nancy Maginnes, a researcher for Nelson Rockefeller whom he married in
    1974.

    In a 1972 poll of Playboy Club Bunnies, the man dubbed "Super-K" by
    Newsweek finished first as "the man I would most like to go out on a date with."

    Kissinger's explanation: "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac."

    Yet Kissinger was reviled by many Americans for his conduct of wartime diplomacy. He was still a lightning rod decades later: In 2015, an
    appearance by the 91-year-old Kissinger before the Senate Armed Services Committee was disrupted by protesters demanding his arrest for war crimes
    and calling out his actions in Southeast Asia, Chile and beyond.

    Heinz Alfred Kissinger was born in the Bavarian city of Fuerth on May 27, 1923, the son of a schoolteacher. His family left Nazi Germany in 1938 and settled in Manhattan, where Heinz changed his name to Henry.

    Kissinger had two children, Elizabeth and David, from his first marriage.
    ___

    The late AP Diplomatic Writer Barry Schweid contributed to this report.





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  • From John Dillinger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 11:56:58 2023
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    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:28:37 -0800 (PST), BT <robert.m.tiernan@gmail.com> wrote:

    Biased Journalism wrote:

    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100

    I heard an interview with him a few months ago -- he had
    20 years on the current president yet was far, far more
    lucid and sharp. Biden is an old, old 81.

    B. T.


    Biden has always being a mumbling, babbling idiot since birth. He fits in
    with all the other people from Delaware as their Senator.

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  • From John Dillinger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 11:54:41 2023
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    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:41:19 -0800, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com>
    wrote:

    Kissinger was a war criminal.


    Will someone explain how Kissinger was a war criminal? He was a fucking diplomat. If any one was a war criminal it was LBJ and Richard Nixon for
    going to war in Vietnam killing 3 million people.

    KDS=Kissinger derangement Syndrome.

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  • From Ben@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 1 01:28:38 2023
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    On 30 Nov 2023, John Dillinger <johndillinger@duck.com.invalid> posted
    some news:kss7oaFhjhpU2@mid.individual.net:

    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:28:37 -0800 (PST), BT
    <robert.m.tiernan@gmail.com> wrote:

    Biased Journalism wrote:

    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100

    I heard an interview with him a few months ago -- he had
    20 years on the current president yet was far, far more
    lucid and sharp. Biden is an old, old 81.

    B. T.


    Biden has always being a mumbling, babbling idiot since birth. He
    fits in
    with all the other people from Delaware as their Senator.

    That state is nuttier than California or Oregon.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Fri Dec 1 10:46:46 2023
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    On 11/29/23 19:56, Max Boot wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 7:51 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 11/29/23 19:41, Max Boot wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 6:27 PM, Biased Journalism wrote:

      <http://apnews.com>
    Henry Kissinger, ex-secretary of state, dies at 100 | AP News

    Kissinger was a war criminal. He should have died in prison.


    Max, you are an idiot.

    No, you fucking idiot liar, you are.

    The war criminals were JFK and LBJ who pushed our nations
    finest youth into a needless meat grinder that killed
    over 50,000 of them.

    Nearly *half* of those deaths occurred after Kissinger helped Nixon
    sabotage the peace talks in 1968.


    Hey Max, it sounds like you never served in the US military.
    You failed to answer JFK's or LBJ's call to serve.
    So it does not bother you that those two idiot President's
    pumped more and more of us into Vietnam.

    It was so bad, that even LBJ recognized he had no answers
    and chose to not run again.

    So Nixon was elected and we had 500,000 military in that
    stinking little country and deep in combat, and plenty
    of prisoners held by the communists with no intention
    to release them.
    Year after year Nixon reduced our troops and within
    his first 4 years had everyone out including our POWs.

    Plenty of us that had our lives on the line appreciated
    Nixon and Kissinger for getting us out of there.

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  • From John Dillinger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 1 14:29:47 2023
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    XPost: rec.aviation.military

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 10:46:46 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    You failed to answer JFK's or LBJ's call to serve.


    Only McNamara's morons served during Vietnam.

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