• Re: Blue state lawmakers pass drug possession bill in rush to avoid dec

    From Jack Carlson@21:1/5 to Anthony Soprano on Sun Nov 26 10:43:36 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 11/26/2023 10:28 AM, Anthony Soprano wrote:
    We can solve the problem of drug addicts living on the streets for 43¢.

    https://ammo.com/handgun/38-special-ammo

    What a coincidence! That's the price for getting one neo-Nazi shitbag out of Usenet permanently.

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  • From Anthony Soprano@21:1/5 to bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com on Sun Nov 26 10:28:31 2023
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    We can solve the problem of drug addicts living on the streets for 43¢.

    https://ammo.com/handgun/38-special-ammo


    On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 21:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Anthony Soprano <Soprano@new_jersey.invalid> wrote in >news:ksev0vFoq1nU1@mid.individual.net:

    On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 18:30:53 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
    <democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:

    "This bill is not designed to fill our jails, it’s designed to fill
    our treatment centers," Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, said in a
    statement. "And the investments we’re making will create treatment >>>resources in small townships and big cities. This is a statewide
    solution to a statewide problem."

    Do you know that the recovery rate for drug and alcohol treatment
    centers
    is less then 10%? So 90% of the money given to 'treatment centers' is
    just being pissed away.

    So you'd rather spend it on jails - and destroy lives?!

    But do post your reference(s) - because I'm finding completely different >numbers:
    ===================
    Drug Addiction Recovery Statistics

    The Butler Center for Research at Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation
    reports that roughly 89 percent of patients who complete alcohol rehab
    are still sober one month after discharge.
    An estimated 76 percent of alcohol rehab patients who successfully
    complete treatment report still being sober at three months, roughly 69 >percent are still sober at six months, and a little more than 70 percent
    are still sober at nine months.
    Between 85 percent and 95 percent of all people who successfully
    complete drug rehab report still being abstinent from all drugs nine
    months after discharge.
    Roughly 80 percent of patients report benefiting from improved
    quality of life and health after completing drug and alcohol rehab.
    Florida has the highest success rates of drug rehab compared to all
    other states. A little more than 70 percent of people who receive
    addiction treatment in Florida successfully complete their treatment >programs.
    An estimated 43 percent of all people who go to drug rehab
    successfully complete their treatment programs, while another 16 percent
    are transferred to other rehab centers for additional treatment.
    Rehab success rates for those who complete drug and alcohol
    detoxification are a combined 68 percent.
    An estimated 41 percent of people who receive medication-assisted
    treatment (MAT) for opioid detox successfully complete treatment and
    achieve abstinence.
    Of those who successfully complete MAT for opioid dependence, around
    13 percent receive outpatient treatment.
    The highest percentage of drug rehabilitation success rates for
    outpatient treatment involve admissions for alcohol and marijuana
    addiction. More than 45 percent of adults age 18 and older who
    successfully complete outpatient drug rehab are admitted for alcohol
    abuse, while more than 36 percent of adults are admitted for marijuana
    abuse.
    A little more than 40 percent of people who successfully finish
    outpatient drug rehab had initially decided on their own to seek
    treatment and become sober.
    Around 67 percent of people who successfully complete outpatient drug
    rehab programs have their treatment costs covered by Medicaid, Medicare,
    and other government sources.
    People who successfully complete outpatient MAT for opioid dependence
    stay at a drug rehab for an average of 113 days.
    People who successfully complete outpatient treatment for any
    substance use disorder stay at a drug rehab for an average of 81 days.
    Those who successfully finish intensive outpatient programs for any
    substance use disorder stay at a drug rehab for an average of 53 days.
    Alcohol makes up the highest percentage of admissions to drug rehab
    centers at 33 percent, followed by opioids at 34 percent, marijuana at 13 >percent, stimulants at 11 percent, and cocaine at 5 percent.
    Between 40 percent and 60 percent of patients who suffer from drug
    use disorders end up relapsing when treatment is discontinued. However,
    these relapse rates are significantly lower than those for other chronic >diseases such as hypertension and asthma.

    https://www.legacytreatment.org/blog/rehab-success-rate-statistics/

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  • From Anthony Soprano@21:1/5 to bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com on Sun Nov 26 10:23:59 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.drugs, or.politics, ca.politics
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    On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 21:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    So you'd rather spend it on jails - and destroy lives?!


    No, We should give all drug addicts free bus & airplane tickets to live
    in tents on the sidewalks in Portland, Oregon. Preferably outside of your house.

    Your hero Mao knew how to take care of drug addicts.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Anthony Soprano on Sun Nov 26 21:20:37 2023
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    Anthony Soprano <Soprano@new_jersey.invalid> wrote in news:kshgq0FecvsU1 @mid.individual.net:

    On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 21:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    So you'd rather spend it on jails - and destroy lives?!


    No, We should give all drug addicts free bus & airplane tickets to live
    in tents on the sidewalks in Portland, Oregon. Preferably outside of your house.

    rural conservaturds are too cheap to take care of their own, so they do
    ship them to big cities like Portland

    Your hero Mao knew how to take care of drug addicts.

    Mao is no hero of mine - but since you know all about him, why don't you educate us?

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  • From Ted Cruz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 27 00:18:04 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.guns


    We can solve the problem of drug addicts living on the streets for 43½.

    https://ammo.com/handgun/38-special-ammo

    Good way to handle the rightist problem as well. In righteous societies
    it's a good thing to terminate those who serve no purpose but to destroy.


    Trump acts like he's got a drug problem. What are your plans for him?

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  • From Patriot 1@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 27 00:24:16 2023
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    rural conservaturds are too cheap to take care of their own, so they do
    ship them to big cities like Portland


    Rural conservatives rely on government money more than anyone. Their own
    tax base can't cover their essential needs like water, sewage,
    electricity, roads and disaster aid. They spend most of their day
    drinking moonshine and having sex with their kin.


    Most of them are on Meth.

    Meth use drives overdose epidemic in rural U.S. communities
    Study reveals methamphetamine use is common, contributes to the national overdose epidemic in rural America

    Methamphetamine remains a stubbornly prevalent illicit substance in large swaths of rural America, according to a new study by researchers at Oregon Health & Science University and other institutions.

    The findings, published today in JAMA Network Open, show that
    methamphetamine remains a common drug and is driving overdoses in rural communities. About four of five people who use drugs in rural areas across
    10 states reported using methamphetamines in the past 30 days, according
    to the researchers.

    That’s a huge problem that’s often overlooked, said the study’s lead
    author from OHSU.
    mmunities, methamphetamine use is pervasive,” said Todd Korthuis, M.D., M.P.H., professor of medicine (general internal medicine and geriatrics)
    in the OHSU School of Medicine and head of addiction medicine at OHSU.
    “This has been a West Coast problem for a long time, but now we see methamphetamine use in rural communities across the United States.”

    The national opioid epidemic continues to dominate headlines and accounts
    for the majority of the more than 100,000 drug overdose deaths recorded in
    the United States last year, largely due to fentanyl. However, Korthuis
    said it’s a mistake to overlook the impact of methamphetamine that
    continues to grip rural communities across the country. Fentanyl now
    frequently contaminates methamphetamine, Korthuis said. People may think they’re using only using methamphetamine, when in reality, they’re
    unknowingly taking fentanyl — which is 50 to 100 times more potent than
    heroin.

    The new study confirmed that the risk of nonfatal overdose was greatest
    among people using both methamphetamine and opioids; 22% of people using
    both drugs reported experiencing an overdose in the past six months.

    By comparison, 14% of rural people using opioids alone reported
    experiencing an overdose in the past six months. Among people using only methamphetamine, 6% reported nonfatal overdoses.

    “Co-use of methamphetamine and opioids is associated with a big increased
    risk of overdose in rural communities,” Korthuis said. “Some people view
    rural areas as immune to problems like drug use and overdose, but they’re
    not.”

    The study found a consistent presence of economic distress, including the
    fact that 53% of the respondents reported being homeless in the previous
    six months. The situation heightens the risk of so-called “deaths of
    despair” — drug overdose deaths, suicide and disease linked to drug and
    alcohol use.

    “There are deaths of despair everywhere, but our rural communities have
    been hard hit,” Korthuis said.

    Treatment for substance use disorders works, but remains scarce in rural America: 40% of all survey respondents reported trying to access treatment
    in the previous six months but were unable to get it. Among those using
    both meth and opioids, 44% could not access treatment.

    Additionally, naloxone can reverse fentanyl overdose, but is rarely given
    to people using methamphetamine. Naloxone distribution should be expanded
    to people who use methamphetamine, Korthuis said.

    A total of 3,048 people participated in the Rural Opioid Initiative study
    from January 2018 through March 2020. The survey enrolled participants in
    rural areas with high overdose rates in 10 states, including Oregon,
    Illinois, Kentucky, North Carolina, Ohio, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont.

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