• Re: The polls keep getting worse for Biden

    From New Hampshire@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 26 03:52:10 2023
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    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.

    November started with New York Times/Siena College polls showing Trump
    ahead in four of the six swing states, but more indicators of Biden's
    electoral peril soon followed. The president’s standing in head-to-head matchups with Trump is falling: Among the latest surveys this month from
    13 separate pollsters, Biden’s position is worse than their previous
    polls in all but two of them.

    And while polls suggest most of the movement comes from voters
    abandoning Biden — who might become undecided but not swing to
    supporting Trump — the Republican has also started to gain steam.
    Trump’s vote share in the national polling average is higher now than at
    any point in the past year.

    The state-level data are just as striking: In addition to those New York Times/Siena polls, within the last week and a half, other surveys have
    shown Trump ahead by 8 points in Arizona and 5 points up in Michigan.

    Biden's recent slide — and his political predicament some 11 months
    before Election Day — represent a confluence of slippage with reliable Democratic constituencies like young voters, the outbreak of war in the
    Middle East and the rise of independent and third-party candidates who
    could siphon votes from both Biden and Trump.

    Biden is losing young voters — but it's unclear how many.
    This week’s NBC News poll had a stunning result: Trump led Biden among
    voters younger than 35, 46 percent to 42 percent.

    Even though that was well within the high margin of error for such a
    small subgroup, other polls also show a close race with what has been a reliable Democratic constituency. Biden had only single-digit leads
    among voters 18-34 in polls this month from Morning Consult (Biden +2),
    Fox News (Biden +7) and Quinnipiac University (Biden +9). (Trump led
    Biden in all four polls among all voters.)

    Only a few polls show Biden with a lead among young voters that
    approaches his 2020 margins, but they are the exception, not the rule.

    That’s prompted a debate over whether Trump is really making the deep
    inroads with younger voters the polling suggests — or if those numbers
    are an artifact of some kind of polling bias. One popular theory
    speculates that liberal younger voters who are unenthusiastic about
    Biden and his party — over his administration’s support for Israel in
    its war with Hamas, for example — aren’t participating in polls right
    now, even if many of them will vote for him next November.

    But Biden, the oldest president in history, has never polled well with
    younger voters. And telephone polls — of the four mentioned above, all
    but Morning Consult were conducted over the phone — are a difficult way
    to reach younger voters.

    Biden's approval ratings are headed downward, while Trump’s vote share
    is spiking. Biden’s sagging margins against Trump are one thing. But
    there are two other trendlines under the hood of these polls that spell
    trouble for the incumbent.

    First, his approval rating — already historically low for a president at
    this point in his first term — has been ticking down. Biden’s approval
    rating dipped down to 38 percent in FiveThirtyEight’s average earlier
    this month, the lowest since July 2022. Similarly, when Biden hit 40
    percent in RealClearPolitics’ average this month, it was his lowest
    reading since August 2022.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s numbers are rising. Dating back a little more than a
    year, RealClearPolitics’ average has had Trump hovering between 42
    percent and 46 percent in a head-to-head matchup with Biden. Not only
    did Trump break 46 percent for the first time earlier this month, this
    week he inched above 47 percent, about equal to his vote share in the
    2020 election.

    Most of the polls that show Trump with a majority of the vote don’t
    include undecided voters — a questionable methodological decision this
    far out from Election Day, especially in a hypothetical race between two candidates so disliked by the electorate. But even polls that do report undecided voters show Trump ticking up, like the Fox News survey, which
    had Trump with a slight lead over Biden, 50 percent to 46 percent.

    It's not just the Middle East — Biden's been slipping in the polls for
    months. It’s common to try attributing any change in a president’s poll
    numbers to recent news events, such as Israel’s war with Hamas. But for
    Biden, the reality is a little more complicated.

    FiveThirtyEight’s average shows a fairly steady decline in Biden’s
    approval rating dating back to May. RealClearPolitics’ goes back to
    April.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s average favorable rating has actually been steadily increasing over the past two months, rising from 39 percent on Sept. 1
    to 42 percent as of Wednesday afternoon, according to FiveThirtyEight.

    Swing states are moving with the rest of the country: away from Biden.
    The bad news for Biden isn’t confined to the national polls. And that’s
    despite a three-month-long advertising campaign to boost the president’s numbers.

    Since mid-August, Biden and the Democratic National Committee have spent
    about $12 million on swing state TV ads, according to the tracking firm AdImpact. For most of the fall, Biden spent about $1 million a week,
    though that’s been roughly cut in half for the past few weeks.

    It isn’t helping. In addition to the New York Times/Siena polls showing
    Trump leading Biden in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania, Trump
    led Biden in six of seven swing states surveyed by Morning Consult and Bloomberg News.

    There were also some eye-popping results in other Biden-won states from
    2020. Trump was ahead by 8 points last week in a Noble Predictive
    Insights poll in Arizona and by 5 points in an EPIC-MRA poll in
    Michigan.

    Third-party candidates are still having an uncertain impact.
    One of the most striking things about the daunting poll numbers for
    Biden is that they come in head-to-head matchups with Trump — and don’t
    include the third-party candidates who could draw even more votes from
    the president.

    Many pollsters don’t yet include matchups with independent candidates
    like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West or Green Party candidate Jill
    Stein, so there’s little evidence right now to measure their impact.
    Trump’s lead over Biden in RealClearPolitics’ averages is smaller when
    Kennedy is added but slightly larger when West and Stein are also
    included. Those mixed signals mean it’s too early to say exactly how independent and third-party candidates will change the electoral math
    for Biden and Trump.

    But it’s clear Biden’s deficit is not a result of third-party candidates running — or those potentially looming, like retiring Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.). And they could make it harder for Biden to recover,
    especially if the independent candidates gobble up significant shares of support among groups like young voters.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-poll-numbers-aren-t-120000401.html

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  • From 56g.1173@21:1/5 to New Hampshire on Sat Nov 25 22:59:46 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    At the right time, Joe's handlers will cut back on
    his meds so he looks extra brain-damaged - but on
    a schedule that ensures K will never be POTUS.

    Alas, at the moment, I see no way that Trump will
    not be the GOP candidate. He has his loyal "base"
    but NOTHING BEYOND THAT. It's NOT enough. DeSantis
    and even more Haley CAN bring in those vital
    cross-over votes. Thing is, the GOP cannot block
    Trump, something ELSE will have to make him a
    martyr so his base is SURE to vote for the
    replacement.

    Politics, politics ... ancient and wicked.

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  • From 56g.1173@21:1/5 to Within on Sun Nov 26 00:05:21 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 11/25/23 11:49 PM, Within wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> posted some news:rumdnXMUVPEuX__4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    At the right time, Joe's handlers will cut back on
    his meds so he looks extra brain-damaged - but on
    a schedule that ensures K will never be POTUS.

    Alas, at the moment, I see no way that Trump will
    not be the GOP candidate. He has his loyal "base"
    but NOTHING BEYOND THAT. It's NOT enough. DeSantis
    and even more Haley CAN bring in those vital
    cross-over votes. Thing is, the GOP cannot block
    Trump, something ELSE will have to make him a
    martyr so his base is SURE to vote for the
    replacement.

    Politics, politics ... ancient and wicked.

    Newsom ruined California and nobody outside of the state knows it. He started the collapse of San Francisco and his wretched carpetbagger aunt Pelosi was behind the black Maryland lesbian senatorial appointment.

    The DOJ will release a bucket of falsehoods implicating Trump in
    everything but zebra breeding and the flock will flee.


    The MSM Machine will shift into double-overdrive to HIDE
    the damage Newsom has done. It Didn't Happen + Someone
    Else's Fault ....

    And, alas, far TOO many people WILL be fooled.

    The GOP needs to go on a SERIOUS sabotage campaign
    like YESTERDAY. Joe is the FALSE CANDIDATE, intended
    to split resources/attention.

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  • From Within@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 26 04:49:18 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 25 Nov 2023, "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> posted some news:rumdnXMUVPEuX__4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    At the right time, Joe's handlers will cut back on
    his meds so he looks extra brain-damaged - but on
    a schedule that ensures K will never be POTUS.

    Alas, at the moment, I see no way that Trump will
    not be the GOP candidate. He has his loyal "base"
    but NOTHING BEYOND THAT. It's NOT enough. DeSantis
    and even more Haley CAN bring in those vital
    cross-over votes. Thing is, the GOP cannot block
    Trump, something ELSE will have to make him a
    martyr so his base is SURE to vote for the
    replacement.

    Politics, politics ... ancient and wicked.

    Newsom ruined California and nobody outside of the state knows it. He
    started the collapse of San Francisco and his wretched carpetbagger aunt
    Pelosi was behind the black Maryland lesbian senatorial appointment.

    The DOJ will release a bucket of falsehoods implicating Trump in
    everything but zebra breeding and the flock will flee.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Sun Nov 26 14:33:53 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2023-11-26, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    On 11/25/23 11:49 PM, Within wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> posted some
    news:rumdnXMUVPEuX__4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    At the right time, Joe's handlers will cut back on
    his meds so he looks extra brain-damaged - but on
    a schedule that ensures K will never be POTUS.

    Alas, at the moment, I see no way that Trump will
    not be the GOP candidate. He has his loyal "base"
    but NOTHING BEYOND THAT. It's NOT enough. DeSantis
    and even more Haley CAN bring in those vital
    cross-over votes. Thing is, the GOP cannot block
    Trump, something ELSE will have to make him a
    martyr so his base is SURE to vote for the
    replacement.

    Politics, politics ... ancient and wicked.

    Newsom ruined California and nobody outside of the state knows it. He
    started the collapse of San Francisco and his wretched carpetbagger aunt
    Pelosi was behind the black Maryland lesbian senatorial appointment.

    The DOJ will release a bucket of falsehoods implicating Trump in
    everything but zebra breeding and the flock will flee.


    The MSM Machine will shift into double-overdrive to HIDE
    the damage Newsom has done. It Didn't Happen + Someone
    Else's Fault ....

    Indeed.
    Combined with attacking Trump 24x7.

    And, alas, far TOO many people WILL be fooled.

    I saw a commentary last night where studies have shown that 56% of people still receive their news
    from typical MSM stations and they believe it is truthful.
    Those 16-29yo get their news mostly from Tik-Tok, which is incredible when you think about it.

    The GOP needs to go on a SERIOUS sabotage campaign
    like YESTERDAY. Joe is the FALSE CANDIDATE, intended
    to split resources/attention.

    They need to grow a spine and go on the attack. It's their only chance at this point.
    Focus on all that Biden has screwed up.
    Ask the voters if they are better off now than 3 years ago.
    And discredit Joe Biden and his crime family at every opportunity.
    They need to play the same game the democrats do, but better.

    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Sun Nov 26 14:26:26 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2023-11-26, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    The DNC knew all along that Biden was toast. That's why they used COVID to keep him hiding in his
    basement.
    I agree, Newsom is the chosen one.


    At the right time, Joe's handlers will cut back on
    his meds so he looks extra brain-damaged - but on
    a schedule that ensures K will never be POTUS.

    Also, over time those type of meds tend to stop working unless the dosage is increased and that can
    only be done to a point where it would be considered toxic to the patient.
    And there are only so many alternatives that can be used.
    I'm suspecting Biden is reaching that point because lately he's been acting even more demented than
    usual.

    Alas, at the moment, I see no way that Trump will
    not be the GOP candidate. He has his loyal "base"
    but NOTHING BEYOND THAT. It's NOT enough. DeSantis
    and even more Haley CAN bring in those vital
    cross-over votes. Thing is, the GOP cannot block
    Trump, something ELSE will have to make him a
    martyr so his base is SURE to vote for the
    replacement.

    It's very difficult to win with just your base. Trump will need to attract the undecided and
    independent voters in order to win. He will never attract the hardcore, democrats which is why
    Biden is doing as well as he is in the polls. And even that's not well at all.

    Politics, politics ... ancient and wicked.

    Politics sucks.
    It's on an equal footing as a corrupt used car salesmen.
    And it's getting worse every year. And that goes for all parties.

    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From 56g.1173@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Nov 26 20:41:44 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc

    On 11/26/23 9:33 AM, pothead wrote:
    On 2023-11-26, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    On 11/25/23 11:49 PM, Within wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> posted some
    news:rumdnXMUVPEuX__4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted >>>>> some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way >>>>>> out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    At the right time, Joe's handlers will cut back on
    his meds so he looks extra brain-damaged - but on
    a schedule that ensures K will never be POTUS.

    Alas, at the moment, I see no way that Trump will
    not be the GOP candidate. He has his loyal "base"
    but NOTHING BEYOND THAT. It's NOT enough. DeSantis
    and even more Haley CAN bring in those vital
    cross-over votes. Thing is, the GOP cannot block
    Trump, something ELSE will have to make him a
    martyr so his base is SURE to vote for the
    replacement.

    Politics, politics ... ancient and wicked.

    Newsom ruined California and nobody outside of the state knows it. He
    started the collapse of San Francisco and his wretched carpetbagger aunt >>> Pelosi was behind the black Maryland lesbian senatorial appointment.

    The DOJ will release a bucket of falsehoods implicating Trump in
    everything but zebra breeding and the flock will flee.


    The MSM Machine will shift into double-overdrive to HIDE
    the damage Newsom has done. It Didn't Happen + Someone
    Else's Fault ....

    Indeed.
    Combined with attacking Trump 24x7.

    And, alas, far TOO many people WILL be fooled.

    I saw a commentary last night where studies have shown that 56% of people still receive their news
    from typical MSM stations and they believe it is truthful.
    Those 16-29yo get their news mostly from Tik-Tok, which is incredible when you think about it.

    It's probably true that people tend to find *a* news-source
    and stick with it pretty loyally thereafter. The news-people
    sound *so* trustworthy ........

    Chairman Xi's Tik-Tok ... yea, I can believe that for
    gen-Z/A2 ......

    Thing is, the net easily allows for SO much more. I have
    a list of SEVEN sites from around the world I go thru
    every day. Whatever important stuff they all seem to
    AGREE on is probably the Truth. Each site also has a
    slightly different field of interest, so you pick up
    on stories nobody else bothers with and you can then
    follow-up on if interesting enough.

    But just ONE site ... ridiculous. Don't care HOW good
    or 'balanced' they claim to be.


    The GOP needs to go on a SERIOUS sabotage campaign
    like YESTERDAY. Joe is the FALSE CANDIDATE, intended
    to split resources/attention.

    They need to grow a spine and go on the attack. It's their only chance at this point.
    Focus on all that Biden has screwed up.
    Ask the voters if they are better off now than 3 years ago.
    And discredit Joe Biden and his crime family at every opportunity.
    They need to play the same game the democrats do, but better.

    There is some sort of odd thing with the GOP ... seems
    to think good/honest reps will always be elected by
    magic or something - what Nixon called the 'silent
    majority' of sensible folks. Thing is, it doesn't exist
    anymore - or at least sure the hell ain't a "majority".
    If the Dems are good at anything it's sticking together
    and having a plan. GOP needs to go on the offensive, down
    and dirty, right now. The possible Dem candidates should
    be ruined. Do a Brett Kavanaugh on Newsom first off ...
    and don't miss some new scandal for HRC, just in case.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Mon Nov 27 03:09:57 2023
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    "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote in news:kbidnc6loL1Ebv74nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@earthlink.com:


    If the Dems are good at anything it's sticking together
    and having a plan.


    Bullshit. Remember Reagan and his
    "11th Commandment", never speak ill of
    another Republican?

    Just look at the current GOP
    debates. All these loyal Republicans
    running against Trump but none (except
    Christie) dare say a negative word
    against Trump. They are too scared
    to even MENTION Trump. Even the warring
    factions for House Speaker were falling
    over themselves In Praise Of Trump.

    Can you imagine the DNC footing
    the legal expenses of a failed Demo
    candidate? Of course not. But when
    Republican candidates needed help with
    their campaigns the RNC said sorry,
    paying for billionaire Trump's lawyers
    is more important than winning local
    races.

    The GOP should change their name
    to the Trump Party, that is all they
    stand for any more.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Nov 27 13:20:52 2023
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:33:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    They need to grow a spine and go on the attack. It's their only chance at this point.
    Focus on all that Biden has screwed up.
    Ask the voters if they are better off now than 3 years ago.
    And discredit Joe Biden and his crime family at every opportunity.
    They need to play the same game the democrats do, but better.

    Except they're not because they're too busy fighting amongst themselves. The Nazis,
    racists and right wing extremists are trying to take control of the party and are being
    fought by true Republicans.

    Swill
    --
    "I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
    the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
    - Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

    Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

    Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief. <https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Mon Nov 27 13:23:07 2023
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    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 20:41:44 -0500, "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

    If the Dems are good at anything it's sticking together
    and having a plan.

    That's not true. As recently as the 2014 cycle "herding cats" was the most appropriate
    description of Democratic Unity. It has been Republicans blindly following authority.

    Swill
    --
    "I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
    the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
    - Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

    Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

    Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief. <https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Nov 27 13:24:21 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc

    On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 03:09:57 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote in >news:kbidnc6loL1Ebv74nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@earthlink.com:


    If the Dems are good at anything it's sticking together
    and having a plan.


    Bullshit. Remember Reagan and his
    "11th Commandment", never speak ill of
    another Republican?

    Just look at the current GOP
    debates. All these loyal Republicans
    running against Trump but none (except
    Christie) dare say a negative word
    against Trump. They are too scared
    to even MENTION Trump. Even the warring
    factions for House Speaker were falling
    over themselves In Praise Of Trump.

    Can you imagine the DNC footing
    the legal expenses of a failed Demo
    candidate? Of course not. But when
    Republican candidates needed help with
    their campaigns the RNC said sorry,
    paying for billionaire Trump's lawyers
    is more important than winning local
    races.

    The GOP should change their name
    to the Trump Party, that is all they
    stand for any more.

    *applause*

    Swill
    --
    "I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
    the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
    - Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

    Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Nov 27 13:25:44 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:26:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-26, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    The DNC knew all along that Biden was toast. That's why they used COVID to keep him hiding in his
    basement.
    I agree, Newsom is the chosen one.

    It's been just this summer you guys were saying the Dems were going to run Michelle. We
    told you no but you wouldn't listen. Are listening now?

    Swill
    --
    "I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
    the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
    - Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

    Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

    Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief. <https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Nov 28 00:56:52 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2023-11-27, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:26:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-26, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted
    some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way
    out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    The DNC knew all along that Biden was toast. That's why they used COVID to keep him hiding in his
    basement.
    I agree, Newsom is the chosen one.

    It's been just this summer you guys were saying the Dems were going to run Michelle. We
    told you no but you wouldn't listen. Are listening now?

    Swill

    I never believed that, but IMHO for the democrats it wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd wager that she could win as well.

    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Nov 28 00:55:01 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2023-11-27, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:33:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    They need to grow a spine and go on the attack. It's their only chance at this point.
    Focus on all that Biden has screwed up.
    Ask the voters if they are better off now than 3 years ago.
    And discredit Joe Biden and his crime family at every opportunity.
    They need to play the same game the democrats do, but better.

    Except they're not because they're too busy fighting amongst themselves. The Nazis,
    racists and right wing extremists are trying to take control of the party and are being
    fought by true Republicans.

    Swill

    Take out the Nazis and racist comments and you are correct.
    BTW, Joe Biden is a card carrying racist, and has been for years.
    Look up some of his comments and one of his closest friends at one time.
    But I digress.

    So yes, the republican party is fragmented and bickering among themselves which is not productive
    for them or the country itself.
    There is the traditional conservative republican ala Reagan.
    Then there is the RINO contingent, like Romney, Murkowski and others.
    And course there is the far right MAGA contingent.
    Trump scares the shit out of DC, both sides, because he is getting close to exposing the swamp for
    what it is. A corrupt, self serving, bloated bureaucracy whose main interest is in enriching their
    bank accounts. An outsider inspecting their dirty little secret scares them which is why Trump is
    being attacked with lawsuits, indictments and so forth. It's basically like planting an FBI mole in
    the Mafia to learn the operation.

    To their credit, the democrat party marches in lockstep for the most part. Their problem is that they also have various contingents in the party.
    The traditional democrats.
    The middle of the road type.
    And a new one, the ultra far left like AOC, the greeniacs and so forth.

    Their biggest problem is the Biden effect is tangible and nothing Joe Biden or the MSM can do to
    circle the wagons is going to work because people are hurting and badly.

    The republican party has brassy, narcissist Trump and he pisses off a lot of people.
    They do have other somewhat decent candidates though where the democrats do not.

    I've said it many times, the democrat party is no longer the party of JFK and the republican party
    is no longer the party of Reagan.
    Personally, I would like to see 2 different candidates this time.
    Each more moderate and towards the center line on their respective sides of the aisle.



    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From 56g.1173@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Nov 27 20:57:27 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 11/27/23 7:56 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2023-11-27, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:26:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-26, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    On 11/25/23 9:52 PM, New Hampshire wrote:
    On 25 Nov 2023, Hail Trump The Glorious <elonx@protonmail.com> posted >>>>> some news:uju5ml$305t3$1@dont-email.me:

    Biden is hopeless and that stupid black whore couldn't find her way >>>>>> out of a paper bag.

    President Joe Biden's poll numbers keep getting worse.


    IGNORE Biden, he's just an electoral DISTRACTION
    at this point. The REAL candidate will be that
    commie pin-head NEWSOM.

    The DNC knew all along that Biden was toast. That's why they used COVID to keep him hiding in his
    basement.
    I agree, Newsom is the chosen one.

    It's been just this summer you guys were saying the Dems were going to run Michelle. We
    told you no but you wouldn't listen. Are listening now?

    Swill

    I never believed that, but IMHO for the democrats it wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd wager that she could win as well.


    Yes, she could. Big Name, political history, beloved
    by the lefties - and she gives a pretty good speech.

    Newsom is the LIKELY candidate, but don't forget to
    get dirt on MOB and even HRC too. Get/make lot of
    dirt and start flinging early and often. To beat
    the Dems it's gonna require playing THEIR game THEIR way
    this time.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to pothead on Tue Nov 28 15:04:42 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 00:55:01 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-27, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:33:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    They need to grow a spine and go on the attack. It's their only chance at this point.
    Focus on all that Biden has screwed up.
    Ask the voters if they are better off now than 3 years ago.
    And discredit Joe Biden and his crime family at every opportunity.
    They need to play the same game the democrats do, but better.

    Except they're not because they're too busy fighting amongst themselves. The Nazis,
    racists and right wing extremists are trying to take control of the party and are being
    fought by true Republicans.

    Swill

    Take out the Nazis and racist comments and you are correct.
    BTW, Joe Biden is a card carrying racist, and has been for years.
    Look up some of his comments and one of his closest friends at one time.
    But I digress.

    So yes, the republican party is fragmented and bickering among themselves which is not productive
    for them or the country itself.
    There is the traditional conservative republican ala Reagan.

    You mean "Amnesty to illegals Reagan"? Or the "we sell weapons to terrorists" Reagan? Or
    maybe you meant the "triple the national debt" Reagan?

    Ronald Reagan couldn't get the Republican nom in today's GOP if his life depended on it.
    He'd be denounced as a leftist and a RINO.

    Then there is the RINO contingent, like Romney, Murkowski and others.

    Wrong. The RINOS are Trump, Gaetz, Green, Boebert and the rest of their ilk.

    The rest of your post is so filled with bullshit, there's not enough Charmin on the planet
    to wipe it all up.

    Swill
    --
    "I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
    the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
    - Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

    Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

    Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief. <https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

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