• Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails - Trump To

    From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 07:04:55 2023
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    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing Clinton Scandal

    Disclosure Made In Little-Notice Status Briefing As FOIA Litigation Advances

    Under legal pressure, the National Archives has located 82,000 pages of emails that President Joe Biden sent or received during his vice presidential tenure on three private pseudonym accounts, a total that potentially dwarfs the amount that landed Hillary Clinton in hot water a decade ago, according to a federal court filing released Monday.

    The total of Biden private email exchanges was disclosed Monday in a little- noticed status report filed in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought against the National Archives and Records Administration by the nonprofit public interest law firm the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

    The foundation brought the lawsuit seeking access to the emails after Just the News revealed a year ago that Joe Biden had used three pseudonym email accounts robinware456@gmail.com, JRBWare@gmail.com, and Robert.L.Peters@pci.gov - during the time he served as President Barack Obama's vice president.

    The status report filed Monday in a federal court in Atlanta was the first to provide an estimate of the size and scope of possible government business conducted through Joe Biden's private email accounts.

    "NARA has completed a search for potentially responsive documents and is currently processing those documents for the purpose of producing non-exempt portions of any responsive records on a monthly rolling basis," the status report stated. "Given the scope of Plaintiff's FOIA request, which seeks copies of all emails in three separate accounts over an eight-year period, the volume of potentially responsive records is necessarily large.

    "NARA has identified approximately 82,000 pages of potentially responsive documents, and it is currently processing those documents and preparing any non-exempt responsive documents for production on a rolling basis," the filing added.

    You can read the full court filing here.

    File

    SELF-NARA-BidenPseudonymEmails.pdf

    The court filing added that the foundation and NARA are discussing ways to narrow the request for records to get copies of the emails out in a more expeditious manner.

    Government officials' use of private email for official business is discouraged under the law, and officials like Biden are required to preserve all government-related emails conducted on their private accounts under the Federal Records Act. The fact that NARA has such a large collection suggests Biden gave those emails to the nation's history-preserving agency.

    The total revealed by the Archives, however, is stunning in size, even dwarfing the total from the most infamous private email scandal in American history involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, which also involved government business on Obama's watch.

    A State Department inspector general report in summer 2016 found Mrs. Clinton improperly used a private email server stored in her family's home in Chappaqua, N.Y., to regularly conduct government business and later deleted many of the emails she considered to be private.

    "Secretary Clinton produced to the Department from her personal email account approximately 55,000 hard-copy pages, representing approximately 30,000 emails that she believed related to official business," the final report noted. Those totals are significantly smaller than the amount of pages the National Archives says it has from Biden's personal account.

    The IG noted there was a lax record-keeping system at State and across government that needed modernizing and impacted several prior secretaries.

    You can read that full report here.

    File

    HillaryClintonEmailIGReport.pdf

    Internal investigations concluded that about 100 emails Clinton moved through her private server contained information that should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent, including 65 emails at the "Secret" level and 22 at "Top Secret" security clearance.

    Eventually, the government recovered even Mrs. Clinton's personal emails that had been deleted and released all of them under FOIA, totaling about 52,000.

    To date, there is no indication from the National Archives in the court case that any of Biden's email contain classified information. However, the president is under criminal investigation by Special Counsel Robert Hur for taking classified documents from his time as vice president and as a senator and storing them improperly in insecure locations in the garage of his Delaware home and a think tank office he kept in Washington D.C.

    Hur recently spent two days interview Biden in that investigation.

    Former President Donald Trump has already been indicted by Special Counsel Jack Smith for mishandling classified documents the FBI recovered from his Mar-a- Lago estate in Florida or that Trump returned to the Archives belatedly.

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023- 10/HillaryClintonEmailIGReport.pdf

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023-10/SELF-NARA- BidenPseudonymEmails.pdf

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-02-29/state-dept-wins- dispute-over-clinton-email-on-north-korea

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    2006: "Marriage is between a man and a woman and states must respect that," Joe Biden said.

    Biden opposed same-sex marriage when he and Obama were first elected in 2008.

    He opposed it when he was running against Obama for the Democratic nomination.

    He opposed it in the earlier Meet the Press interview.

    And he opposed it in the United States Senate.

    Biden voted for the Defense of Marriage Act as a senator from Delaware in 1996. It prevented federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allowed states to do the same for same-sex marriages performed in other states.

    Biden's views on same-sex marriage have never been cutting edge. When majorities opposed it, so did he. Once support for same-sex marriage became the mainstream Democratic position, Biden adopted it.

    That is why Biden "got into trouble" with Obama for his gay marriage endorsement. Obama and Biden were under activist pressure for being late to supporting same-sex marriage. By the time Biden announced his new stand, most rank-and-file Democrats were already on board. Preempting Obama made him look bad with liberals.

    Obama and Biden had hesitated because of residual opposition from Hispanic and especially black voters. Black Californians voted in 2008 for Obama and Biden, and to define marriage as a man and a woman by passing the ballot initiative Proposition 8.

    The sincerity of their opposition to same-sex marriage by that time could be called into question - in his 2006 Meet the Press interview, Biden was invoking the Defense of Marriage Act in part to explain his opposition to a Republican- backed federal marriage amendment - but it remained reflected in federal law until the Supreme Court handed down Obergefell v. Hodges. Public support for same-sex marriage hit 60% in Gallup the month before the decision.

    The other issue is the strident tone Biden and his team have taken toward people who continue to espouse the same position on marriage he held for most of his adult life. Biden said he was striking a "blow against hate." Jean- Pierre spoke of "extremist conservatives who appear bent on taking away fundamental rights, including marriage equality."

    Liberals may be shell-shocked by the reversal of Roe v. Wade earlier this year, and frequently invoked a stray sentence on substantive due process in Justice Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion which wasn't joined by any other justice and isn't supported by Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion. But there is no comparison between the nearly 50-year legal and political campaign to overturn Roe, which came within one vote of being reversed 30 years ago, and the remaining anti-Obergefell activities.

    That's why the Respect for Marriage Act, essentially codifying Obergefell, sailed through Congress and a bill ostensibly codifying Roe couldn't get majority support in a Democratic-controlled Senate.

    How Biden speaks of faith-based and traditional views of marriage matters because of ongoing religious liberty concerns. Opponents believed the Respect for Marriage Act's religious liberty protections were weak. Others maintain they went too far.

    "There's a section here that speaks to the ability of nonprofit religious organizations, faith-based social agencies, educational institutions, employees of those organizations to deny services, accommodations, facilities, goods, advantages, privileges to gay couples," a reporter said to Jean-Pierre at Tuesday's White House briefing. "So how is that not codifying discrimination?"

    Biden, the second Catholic president, may face political pressure from those who believe religious liberty exemptions are codified discrimination.

    "My wife said I was the most socially conservative man she had ever known," Biden told an interviewer when he was a freshman senator.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Wed Nov 1 09:21:57 2023
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    On 2023-11-01 05:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing
    Clinton Scandal

    What do you claim is "scandalous" about this...

    ...Pussey?

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 20:16:50 2023
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    [sigh]

    I wish liberals knew how to read.

    On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 09:21:57 -0700, Alan says...


    On 2023-11-01 05:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing
    Clinton Scandal

    What do you claim is "scandalous" about this...

    Where does it say "Biden scandal"?

    https://i.imgur.com/o7Xv4z1.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dntS7vg.png

    Where does it say "scandalous"?

    https://i.imgur.com/SrzOR2c.png

    Why is Biden using a pseudonym, unless he's hiding something?

    "The Only People Who Don't Want To Disclose The Truth, Are People With Something To Hide" - Hussein Obama

    https://youtu.be/bhFB7-w2MY8

    =====

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing Clinton Scandal

    Disclosure Made In Little-Notice Status Briefing As FOIA Litigation Advances

    Under legal pressure, the National Archives has located 82,000 pages of emails that President Joe Biden sent or received during his vice presidential tenure on three private pseudonym accounts, a total that potentially dwarfs the amount that landed Hillary Clinton in hot water a decade ago, according to a federal court filing released Monday.

    The total of Biden private email exchanges was disclosed Monday in a little- noticed status report filed in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought against the National Archives and Records Administration by the nonprofit public interest law firm the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

    The foundation brought the lawsuit seeking access to the emails after Just the News revealed a year ago that Joe Biden had used three pseudonym email accounts robinware456@gmail.com, JRBWare@gmail.com, and Robert.L.Peters@pci.gov - during the time he served as President Barack Obama's vice president.

    The status report filed Monday in a federal court in Atlanta was the first to provide an estimate of the size and scope of possible government business conducted through Joe Biden's private email accounts.

    "NARA has completed a search for potentially responsive documents and is currently processing those documents for the purpose of producing non-exempt portions of any responsive records on a monthly rolling basis," the status report stated. "Given the scope of Plaintiff's FOIA request, which seeks copies of all emails in three separate accounts over an eight-year period, the volume of potentially responsive records is necessarily large.

    "NARA has identified approximately 82,000 pages of potentially responsive documents, and it is currently processing those documents and preparing any non-exempt responsive documents for production on a rolling basis," the filing added.

    You can read the full court filing here.

    File

    SELF-NARA-BidenPseudonymEmails.pdf

    The court filing added that the foundation and NARA are discussing ways to narrow the request for records to get copies of the emails out in a more expeditious manner.

    Government officials' use of private email for official business is discouraged under the law, and officials like Biden are required to preserve all government-related emails conducted on their private accounts under the Federal Records Act. The fact that NARA has such a large collection suggests Biden gave those emails to the nation's history-preserving agency.

    The total revealed by the Archives, however, is stunning in size, even dwarfing the total from the most infamous private email scandal in American history involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, which also involved government business on Obama's watch.

    A State Department inspector general report in summer 2016 found Mrs. Clinton improperly used a private email server stored in her family's home in Chappaqua, N.Y., to regularly conduct government business and later deleted many of the emails she considered to be private.

    "Secretary Clinton produced to the Department from her personal email account approximately 55,000 hard-copy pages, representing approximately 30,000 emails that she believed related to official business," the final report noted. Those totals are significantly smaller than the amount of pages the National Archives says it has from Biden's personal account.

    The IG noted there was a lax record-keeping system at State and across government that needed modernizing and impacted several prior secretaries.

    You can read that full report here.

    File

    HillaryClintonEmailIGReport.pdf

    Internal investigations concluded that about 100 emails Clinton moved through her private server contained information that should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent, including 65 emails at the "Secret" level and 22 at "Top Secret" security clearance.

    Eventually, the government recovered even Mrs. Clinton's personal emails that had been deleted and released all of them under FOIA, totaling about 52,000.

    To date, there is no indication from the National Archives in the court case that any of Biden's email contain classified information. However, the president is under criminal investigation by Special Counsel Robert Hur for taking classified documents from his time as vice president and as a senator and storing them improperly in insecure locations in the garage of his Delaware home and a think tank office he kept in Washington D.C.

    Hur recently spent two days interview Biden in that investigation.

    Former President Donald Trump has already been indicted by Special Counsel Jack Smith for mishandling classified documents the FBI recovered from his Mar-a- Lago estate in Florida or that Trump returned to the Archives belatedly.

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023- 10/HillaryClintonEmailIGReport.pdf

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023-10/SELF-NARA- BidenPseudonymEmails.pdf

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-02-29/state-dept-wins- dispute-over-clinton-email-on-north-korea

    ============================================================================

    2006: "Marriage is between a man and a woman and states must respect that," Joe Biden said.

    Biden opposed same-sex marriage when he and Obama were first elected in 2008.

    He opposed it when he was running against Obama for the Democratic nomination.

    He opposed it in the earlier Meet the Press interview.

    And he opposed it in the United States Senate.

    Biden voted for the Defense of Marriage Act as a senator from Delaware in 1996. It prevented federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allowed states to do the same for same-sex marriages performed in other states.

    Biden's views on same-sex marriage have never been cutting edge. When majorities opposed it, so did he. Once support for same-sex marriage became the mainstream Democratic position, Biden adopted it.

    That is why Biden "got into trouble" with Obama for his gay marriage endorsement. Obama and Biden were under activist pressure for being late to supporting same-sex marriage. By the time Biden announced his new stand, most rank-and-file Democrats were already on board. Preempting Obama made him look bad with liberals.

    Obama and Biden had hesitated because of residual opposition from Hispanic and especially black voters. Black Californians voted in 2008 for Obama and Biden, and to define marriage as a man and a woman by passing the ballot initiative Proposition 8.

    The sincerity of their opposition to same-sex marriage by that time could be called into question - in his 2006 Meet the Press interview, Biden was invoking the Defense of Marriage Act in part to explain his opposition to a Republican- backed federal marriage amendment - but it remained reflected in federal law until the Supreme Court handed down Obergefell v. Hodges. Public support for same-sex marriage hit 60% in Gallup the month before the decision.

    The other issue is the strident tone Biden and his team have taken toward people who continue to espouse the same position on marriage he held for most of his adult life. Biden said he was striking a "blow against hate." Jean- Pierre spoke of "extremist conservatives who appear bent on taking away fundamental rights, including marriage equality."

    Liberals may be shell-shocked by the reversal of Roe v. Wade earlier this year, and frequently invoked a stray sentence on substantive due process in Justice Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion which wasn't joined by any other justice and isn't supported by Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion. But there is no comparison between the nearly 50-year legal and political campaign to overturn Roe, which came within one vote of being reversed 30 years ago, and the remaining anti-Obergefell activities.

    That's why the Respect for Marriage Act, essentially codifying Obergefell, sailed through Congress and a bill ostensibly codifying Roe couldn't get majority support in a Democratic-controlled Senate.

    How Biden speaks of faith-based and traditional views of marriage matters because of ongoing religious liberty concerns. Opponents believed the Respect for Marriage Act's religious liberty protections were weak. Others maintain they went too far.

    "There's a section here that speaks to the ability of nonprofit religious organizations, faith-based social agencies, educational institutions, employees of those organizations to deny services, accommodations, facilities, goods, advantages, privileges to gay couples," a reporter said to Jean-Pierre at Tuesday's White House briefing. "So how is that not codifying discrimination?"

    Biden, the second Catholic president, may face political pressure from those who believe religious liberty exemptions are codified discrimination.

    "My wife said I was the most socially conservative man she had ever known," Biden told an interviewer when he was a freshman senator.




    Message-ID: <MPG.3fabcee88e8f15cf9b3@news.eternal-september.org>


    ============================================================================

    Holier-than-thou LIBERAL Canadians, think they're soooo superior when it comes to slavery, because they "ended" it (not really) a mere 30 years earlier.

    Canada "ended" slavery a mere 30 years before Lincoln wrote the "Emancipation Proclamation".

    HOW does that make Canada ANY "better" or different? It doesn't.

    Canada's Shameful, Modern-Day Slave Trade https://torontosun.com/2012/02/10/canadas-shameful-modern-day-slave- trade/wcm/2e410af6-9dc4-4ef7-bc3e-821a5970ed41

    Colonial Canada Had Slavery For More Than 200 Years. And Yes, It Still Matters Today

    More Canadians Say Racism Is A "Serious Problem" Today Than 1 Year Ago

    Canada Urged To Open Its Eyes To Systemic Racism In Wake Of Police Violence

    Racism In Canada Is Ever-Present, But We Have A Long History Of Denial

    Majority (60%) See Racism as a Serious Problem in Canada Today, Up 13 points Since Last Year

    Nearly a Third of Canadians (28%) Say They Have Personally Experienced Racism in the Past Year - 24 July 2020 https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/majority-60-see-racism-serious-problem-canada- today-13-points-last-year

    Canada's Enduring Legacy Of Power, Politics And Racism https://theclarion.ca/politicslaw/canadians-no-less-racist-than-americans/

    75 Per Cent of Canadians Polled, Say Royal Canadian Mounted Police Has Systemic Racism Issue

    Systemic Racism In The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Force https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/07/11/study-canadians-agree-rcmp-systemic- racism/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Wed Nov 1 20:01:04 2023
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    On 2023-11-01 18:16, AlleyCat wrote:

    [sigh]

    I wish liberals knew how to read.

    On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 09:21:57 -0700, Alan says...


    On 2023-11-01 05:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing
    Clinton Scandal

    What do you claim is "scandalous" about this...

    Where does it say "Biden scandal"?

    Your text:

    "Possibly Dwarfing Clinton Scandal"

    Now answer my question...

    ...Pussey.

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to but that on Wed Nov 1 23:58:22 2023
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    On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:01:04 -0700, Alan says...

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing
    Clinton Scandal

    What do you claim is "scandalous" about this...

    Where does it say "Biden scandal"?

    Where DOES it say "Biden scandal", indeed.

    https://i.imgur.com/o7Xv4z1.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dntS7vg.png

    Where does it say "scandalous"?

    https://i.imgur.com/SrzOR2c.png

    Why is Biden using a pseudonym, unless he's hiding something?

    "The Only People Who Don't Want To Disclose The Truth, Are People With Something To Hide" - Hussein Obama

    https://youtu.be/bhFB7-w2MY8

    Your text:

    "Possibly Dwarfing Clinton Scandal"

    Hmmm... correct me, if I'm wrong, but that says CLINTON scandal.

    Now answer my question...

    Uhhh... 4? 3! 8?

    ...Pussey.

    Queer.

    [sigh]

    I wish liberals knew how to read.

    LOL... another fucking liberal, who wants to play the bullshit liberal semantics game.

    What if NEWSWEEK (or "other"?) had said, "Biden's email conspiracy rivals that of Hillary Clinton's email scandal?

    Would that make man-asshole licker happy?

    On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 09:21:57 -0700, Alan says...

    On 2023-11-01 05:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing
    Clinton Scandal

    What do you claim is "scandalous" about this...

    Where does it say "Biden scandal"?

    https://i.imgur.com/o7Xv4z1.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dntS7vg.png

    Where does it say "scandalous"?

    https://i.imgur.com/SrzOR2c.png

    Why is Biden using a pseudonym, unless he's hiding something?

    "The Only People Who Don't Want To Disclose The Truth, Are People With Something To Hide" - Hussein Obama

    https://youtu.be/bhFB7-w2MY8

    =====

    Archives Locates 82,000 Pages of Joe Biden Pseudonym Emails, Possibly Dwarfing Clinton Scandal

    Disclosure Made In Little-Notice Status Briefing As FOIA Litigation Advances

    Under legal pressure, the National Archives has located 82,000 pages of emails that President Joe Biden sent or received during his vice presidential tenure on three private pseudonym accounts, a total that potentially dwarfs the amount that landed Hillary Clinton in hot water a decade ago, according to a federal court filing released Monday.

    The total of Biden private email exchanges was disclosed Monday in a little- noticed status report filed in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought against the National Archives and Records Administration by the nonprofit public interest law firm the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

    The foundation brought the lawsuit seeking access to the emails after Just the News revealed a year ago that Joe Biden had used three pseudonym email accounts robinware456@gmail.com, JRBWare@gmail.com, and Robert.L.Peters@pci.gov - during the time he served as President Barack Obama's vice president.

    The status report filed Monday in a federal court in Atlanta was the first to provide an estimate of the size and scope of possible government business conducted through Joe Biden's private email accounts.

    "NARA has completed a search for potentially responsive documents and is currently processing those documents for the purpose of producing non-exempt portions of any responsive records on a monthly rolling basis," the status report stated. "Given the scope of Plaintiff's FOIA request, which seeks copies of all emails in three separate accounts over an eight-year period, the volume of potentially responsive records is necessarily large.

    "NARA has identified approximately 82,000 pages of potentially responsive documents, and it is currently processing those documents and preparing any non-exempt responsive documents for production on a rolling basis," the filing added.

    You can read the full court filing here.

    File

    SELF-NARA-BidenPseudonymEmails.pdf

    The court filing added that the foundation and NARA are discussing ways to narrow the request for records to get copies of the emails out in a more expeditious manner.

    Government officials' use of private email for official business is discouraged under the law, and officials like Biden are required to preserve all government-related emails conducted on their private accounts under the Federal Records Act. The fact that NARA has such a large collection suggests Biden gave those emails to the nation's history-preserving agency.

    The total revealed by the Archives, however, is stunning in size, even dwarfing the total from the most infamous private email scandal in American history involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, which also involved government business on Obama's watch.

    A State Department inspector general report in summer 2016 found Mrs. Clinton improperly used a private email server stored in her family's home in Chappaqua, N.Y., to regularly conduct government business and later deleted many of the emails she considered to be private.

    "Secretary Clinton produced to the Department from her personal email account approximately 55,000 hard-copy pages, representing approximately 30,000 emails that she believed related to official business," the final report noted. Those totals are significantly smaller than the amount of pages the National Archives says it has from Biden's personal account.

    The IG noted there was a lax record-keeping system at State and across government that needed modernizing and impacted several prior secretaries.

    You can read that full report here.

    File

    HillaryClintonEmailIGReport.pdf

    Internal investigations concluded that about 100 emails Clinton moved through her private server contained information that should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent, including 65 emails at the "Secret" level and 22 at "Top Secret" security clearance.

    Eventually, the government recovered even Mrs. Clinton's personal emails that had been deleted and released all of them under FOIA, totaling about 52,000.

    To date, there is no indication from the National Archives in the court case that any of Biden's email contain classified information. However, the president is under criminal investigation by Special Counsel Robert Hur for taking classified documents from his time as vice president and as a senator and storing them improperly in insecure locations in the garage of his Delaware home and a think tank office he kept in Washington D.C.

    Hur recently spent two days interview Biden in that investigation.

    Former President Donald Trump has already been indicted by Special Counsel Jack Smith for mishandling classified documents the FBI recovered from his Mar-a- Lago estate in Florida or that Trump returned to the Archives belatedly.

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023- 10/HillaryClintonEmailIGReport.pdf

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023-10/SELF-NARA- BidenPseudonymEmails.pdf

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-02-29/state-dept-wins- dispute-over-clinton-email-on-north-korea

    ============================================================================

    2006: "Marriage is between a man and a woman and states must respect that," Joe Biden said.

    Biden opposed same-sex marriage when he and Obama were first elected in 2008.

    He opposed it when he was running against Obama for the Democratic nomination.

    He opposed it in the earlier Meet the Press interview.

    And he opposed it in the United States Senate.

    Biden voted for the Defense of Marriage Act as a senator from Delaware in 1996. It prevented federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allowed states to do the same for same-sex marriages performed in other states.

    Biden's views on same-sex marriage have never been cutting edge. When majorities opposed it, so did he. Once support for same-sex marriage became the mainstream Democratic position, Biden adopted it.

    That is why Biden "got into trouble" with Obama for his gay marriage endorsement. Obama and Biden were under activist pressure for being late to supporting same-sex marriage. By the time Biden announced his new stand, most rank-and-file Democrats were already on board. Preempting Obama made him look bad with liberals.

    Obama and Biden had hesitated because of residual opposition from Hispanic and especially black voters. Black Californians voted in 2008 for Obama and Biden, and to define marriage as a man and a woman by passing the ballot initiative Proposition 8.

    The sincerity of their opposition to same-sex marriage by that time could be called into question - in his 2006 Meet the Press interview, Biden was invoking the Defense of Marriage Act in part to explain his opposition to a Republican- backed federal marriage amendment - but it remained reflected in federal law until the Supreme Court handed down Obergefell v. Hodges. Public support for same-sex marriage hit 60% in Gallup the month before the decision.

    The other issue is the strident tone Biden and his team have taken toward people who continue to espouse the same position on marriage he held for most of his adult life. Biden said he was striking a "blow against hate." Jean- Pierre spoke of "extremist conservatives who appear bent on taking away fundamental rights, including marriage equality."

    Liberals may be shell-shocked by the reversal of Roe v. Wade earlier this year, and frequently invoked a stray sentence on substantive due process in Justice Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion which wasn't joined by any other justice and isn't supported by Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion. But there is no comparison between the nearly 50-year legal and political campaign to overturn Roe, which came within one vote of being reversed 30 years ago, and the remaining anti-Obergefell activities.

    That's why the Respect for Marriage Act, essentially codifying Obergefell, sailed through Congress and a bill ostensibly codifying Roe couldn't get majority support in a Democratic-controlled Senate.

    How Biden speaks of faith-based and traditional views of marriage matters because of ongoing religious liberty concerns. Opponents believed the Respect for Marriage Act's religious liberty protections were weak. Others maintain they went too far.

    "There's a section here that speaks to the ability of nonprofit religious organizations, faith-based social agencies, educational institutions, employees of those organizations to deny services, accommodations, facilities, goods, advantages, privileges to gay couples," a reporter said to Jean-Pierre at Tuesday's White House briefing. "So how is that not codifying discrimination?"

    Biden, the second Catholic president, may face political pressure from those who believe religious liberty exemptions are codified discrimination.

    "My wife said I was the most socially conservative man she had ever known," Biden told an interviewer when he was a freshman senator.

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