On 10/19/2023 3:17 PM, a425couple wrote:
On 10/19/23 11:46, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
On 10/19/2023 10:34 AM, a425couple wrote:Yes, the Palestinians do deserve a right to a homeland.
On 10/19/23 10:06, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
A correct equation.
That is false.
It is not.
The Jewish people have every right to their own
homeland where they can enjoy self determination.
They don't have any right as Jews to a homeland, and certainly not
when it means denying an equal right to a homeland to Palestinians.
In Palestine.
They were offered one,
No, they weren't.
You didn't answer the question. *Why* do Jews have a "right" to a
homeland? And why do they have a "right" to a homeland in Palestine,
when establishing it *necessarily* means dispossessing people already
there?
On 10/19/23 15:47, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
On 10/19/2023 3:17 PM, a425couple wrote:
On 10/19/23 11:46, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
On 10/19/2023 10:34 AM, a425couple wrote:Yes, the Palestinians do deserve a right to a homeland.
On 10/19/23 10:06, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
A correct equation.
That is false.
It is not.
The Jewish people have every right to their own
homeland where they can enjoy self determination.
They don't have any right as Jews to a homeland, and certainly not
when it means denying an equal right to a homeland to Palestinians.
In Palestine.
They were offered one,
No, they weren't.
They certainly were offered a 'homeland'.
read: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Look at the map.
"The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal by the
United Nations, which recommended a partition of Mandatory Palestine at
the end of the British Mandate. On 29 November 1947, the UN General
Assembly adopted the Plan as Resolution 181 (II).[1]
The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish
States and a Special International Regime for the city of Jerusalem. The >Partition Plan, a four-part document attached to the resolution,
provided for the termination of the Mandate, the progressive withdrawal
of British armed forces and the delineation of boundaries between the
two States and Jerusalem. Part I of the Plan stipulated that the Mandate >would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would
withdraw no later than 1 August 1948. The new states would come into >existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October
1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims
of two competing movements, Palestinian nationalism and Jewish
nationalism, or Zionism.[2][3] The Plan also called for Economic Union >between the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and
minority rights.[4] While Jewish organizations collaborated with UNSCOP >during the deliberations, the Palestinian Arab leadership boycotted it.[5]
You didn't answer the question. *Why* do Jews have a "right" to a
homeland? And why do they have a "right" to a homeland in Palestine,
when establishing it *necessarily* means dispossessing people already there?
Both groups, Jews and Palestinians had populations there.
But it was a thinly populated area. Terraces that had been
productive when Jews had the majority, but lost to military
conquest to Muhammad lay mostly neglected.
As many said, "A people without a land, for a land without a people."
But the Palestinians continued to make bad choices.
They picked the wrong side in WWI.
They picked the wrong side in WWII.
They refused to compromise, and refused the UN offer in 1947.
They chose to fight with 5 organized Arab Armies against the
Jewish militia and lost in 1948-49.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 1956.
They made the bad choice to start a was in 1967, and lost much land.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 1973.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 1982.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 2006.
They made the bad choice to refuse what POTUS Carter negotiated.
They made the bad choice to refuse what POTUS Clinton negotiated.
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 16:57:18 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/19/23 15:47, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
On 10/19/2023 3:17 PM, a425couple wrote:They certainly were offered a 'homeland'.
On 10/19/23 11:46, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
On 10/19/2023 10:34 AM, a425couple wrote:Yes, the Palestinians do deserve a right to a homeland.
On 10/19/23 10:06, Delma T. Ivey wrote:
A correct equation.
That is false.
It is not.
The Jewish people have every right to their own
homeland where they can enjoy self determination.
They don't have any right as Jews to a homeland, and certainly not
when it means denying an equal right to a homeland to Palestinians.
In Palestine.
They were offered one,
No, they weren't.
read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Look at the map.
"The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal by the
United Nations, which recommended a partition of Mandatory Palestine at
the end of the British Mandate. On 29 November 1947, the UN General
Assembly adopted the Plan as Resolution 181 (II).[1]
The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish
States and a Special International Regime for the city of Jerusalem. The
Partition Plan, a four-part document attached to the resolution,
provided for the termination of the Mandate, the progressive withdrawal
of British armed forces and the delineation of boundaries between the
two States and Jerusalem. Part I of the Plan stipulated that the Mandate
would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would
withdraw no later than 1 August 1948. The new states would come into
existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October
1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims
of two competing movements, Palestinian nationalism and Jewish
nationalism, or Zionism.[2][3] The Plan also called for Economic Union
between the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and
minority rights.[4] While Jewish organizations collaborated with UNSCOP
during the deliberations, the Palestinian Arab leadership boycotted it.[5] >>
You didn't answer the question. *Why* do Jews have a "right" to a
homeland? And why do they have a "right" to a homeland in Palestine,
when establishing it *necessarily* means dispossessing people already
there?
Both groups, Jews and Palestinians had populations there.
But it was a thinly populated area. Terraces that had been
productive when Jews had the majority, but lost to military
conquest to Muhammad lay mostly neglected.
As many said, "A people without a land, for a land without a people."
But the Palestinians continued to make bad choices.
They picked the wrong side in WWI.
They picked the wrong side in WWII.
They refused to compromise, and refused the UN offer in 1947.
They chose to fight with 5 organized Arab Armies against the
Jewish militia and lost in 1948-49.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 1956.
They made the bad choice to start a was in 1967, and lost much land.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 1973.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 1982.
They made the bad choice to start a war in 2006.
They made the bad choice to refuse what POTUS Carter negotiated.
They made the bad choice to refuse what POTUS Clinton negotiated.
As summaries go, that one's a keeper.
Swill
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