• How You Handle Left-Wingers Who Spew Lies Like They're Truths

    From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 23:22:01 2023
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    Donald Trump is a racist!

    Why do you say that?

    Uh well... people say he is.

    Which people?

    Uh, there HAS to have been some who say he is.

    Who?

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    How You Handle Left-Wingers Who Spew Lies Like They're Truths

    On the on the topic I mean in terms of your sort of strategy, currently, you're obviously taking the populist pathway.

    What does that mean?

    Ha ha, well, appealing, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess.

    What do you mean by that?

    Give me an example.

    I mean, certainly, certainly, certainly you tap. Certainly you tap very strong

    ideological language quite frequently.

    Like what?

    Da... left wing you know this and that right wing they know. I mean, it's that, that type of lological...

    I never really talk about left or right.

    Anyways a lot.

    I don't really believe in that.

    Okay, a lot of people would would say that you're simply taking a page out of the Donald Trump...

    Which people would say that?

    Well, I'm sure a great many Canadians...

    Like who?

    I don't know who.

    LOL. That's right.

    But you're the one who ask the question. So, yeah, you must know somebody.

    Okay, I'm sure there's some out there. But anyways the point of this. The point of this question is. I mean, why should why should Canadians trust you with their vote given, you know not not just the sort of ideological inclination in terms of taking the page of Donald Trump's book.

    What are you talking about? What page? What page can you give me a page? Give me the page. You keep saying that.

    In terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of Trudeau and the left wing and all of this. I mean, you make quite a, you know, it's quite a play that you make on it, so I'm not sure I know.

    I don't know what you're question.

    Okay then forget that. Why should Canadians trust you with their vote?

    Common sense. Common sense for a change. We're going to make common sense common in this country. We don't have any common sense in the current government. You know, the guy prints 600 billion dollars, grows our money supplied by 32 percent in three years. That's growing the money eight times faster than the economy. No wonder we have the worst of inflation in four decades. I'm going to cap spending cut waste so that we can balance the budget and bring down inflation and interest rates. You'll want to be able to pay your mortgage again? You want to be able to afford rent? Then you have to vote for Pierre Paullyev because I' am the only one with a commoners plan that will bring back the buying power of your paycheck.

    As the Canadiens francais would say... touche'.

    As the gay Canadiens francais would say...

    https://i.imgur.com/jhf0G03.mp4

    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1714290589112610817/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/i SWWoBFtLIIiI2QZ.mp4?tag=12

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 00:25:06 2023
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    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 22:04:25 -0700, Siri Cruise says...


    AlleyCat wrote:
    Donald Trump is a racist!

    Why do you say that?

    Uh well... people say he is.

    Which people?

    Former employees.

    Cite please.

    Didn't know these people worked for him.

    https://cdn.vox- cdn.com/thumbor/tYHgAQfJFUIxvA8lqCIIE3vxvMI=/0x0:5568x3712/1220x813/filters:foc al(2339x1411:3229x2301)/cdn.vox- cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/67665648/1203781831.jpg.0.jpg

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/us/politics/love-and-disbelief-followdonald- trump-meeting-with-black-leaders.html?referer=

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+with+al+sharpton&iax=images&ia=images

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+with+don+king&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/18/us/18dc-circle/merlin-to-scoop- 126086027-896271-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

    https://prospect.org/politics/black-men-support-trump-again/

    https://thyblackman.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/blackvotersDONALDTRUMP- 1024x683.jpg

    https://duckduckgo.com/? q=trump+with+black+men&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F% 2Fthyblackman.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F11%2FblackvotersDONALDTRUMP- 1024x683.jpg

    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/10/ 640/320/Black-Leadership-Summit-Trump-1-AP.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Oh... you meant Hispanics!

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+with+hispanics&iax=images&ia=images

    They're ALL rapists... right?

    What Trump didn't say

    On the list of 28 statements, two were decisively not said by Trump. Eight were paraphrased from similar comments the president made, but he did not say them explicitly.

    'White power'

    There is no record of the president saying "white power." He did come under fire in June for sharing a video to Twitter in which a Trump supporter was heard shouting those words at counter protesters. The tweet was deleted three hours after it was posted, the Washington Post reported.

    More:Election updates: GOP chides Trump over white supremacy remarks, debate commission considering changes after Tuesday goes off the rails

    'Send her back'

    Trump also did not say "send her back," in reference to Somali-born Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar. At a 2019 campaign rally in North Carolina, supporters in the crowd began to chant those words. There's no evidence Trump tried to stop the chants - although he says he did - but he never joined in. He later disavowed the language.

    At a different point, he did post on Twitter that a group of "progressive Democrat congresswomen" - most likely referring to Omar and other progressive colleagues often dubbed "the Squad" - could "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

    'Where's his birth certificate?'

    There's no record of Trump using this exact language. Still, he did question the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, raising questions of his place of birth and religion, before flipping in 2016 and saying he believes Obama was born in the U.S. "Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't
    like," Trump said on ABC's "The View" in 2011, according to CNN.

    'Dumb Don Lemon made LeBron look smart'

    The president tweeted a comment similar to this in 2018 after CNN anchor Don Lemon interviewed NBA star LeBron James about a school he opened in Cleveland. However, Trump never called Lemon "Dumb Don Lemon" precisely. Here's what he said: "LeBron James was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, Don Lemon. He made LeBron look smart, which isn't easy to do. I like Mike!"

    In the interview, Lemon asked James what he'd say to Trump if he were sitting across from him, to which James responded he would never sit across from him. Lemon responded to Trump's tweet saying he "traffics in racism and is fueled by bullying."

    'My impeachment = lynching.'

    The president described his impeachment probe as a "lynching" in October 2019, the Washington Post reported. He did not say the two were "equal."

    'Let's shoot migrants! I want an electric wall! A snake and alligator filled moat!'

    Trump did not say these phrases all at once, as the post presents them. But the New York Times reported in 2019 that he suggested each idea at some point in March of that year as a way to slow down immigration.

    'Suburban housewives: Low income housing will invade your neighborhood.'

    The president tweeted a similar comment in August, conflating an increase in low income housing with a lack of safety. Here's what he said exactly: "The 'suburban housewife' will be voting for me. They want safety & are thrilled that I ended the long running program where low income housing would invade their neighborhood."

    'Mexican rapists'

    Trump made a similar comment in 2015, when he announced that he was launching his presidential bid. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "... They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

    'The 1619 Project is poison and child abuse.'

    Trump said that the New York Times' "1619 Project" is "ideological poison" and that teaching it is "form of child abuse in the truest sense of those words" in September, according to White House records. Again, the post's language does not quote Trump directly.

    'Low IQ refugees'

    Just last week, another comment made by Trump made news as being racially insensitive. The post alleges Trump used the phrase "low IQ refugees," but there's more to the story than that.

    During the immigration section of the presidential debate in Nashville, Trump criticized Democratic candidate Joe Biden over the Obama administration's catch and release policy.

    "When you say they come back, they don't come back, Joe. They never come
    back," he said, according to USA TODAY's transcript. "Only the really - I hate to say this - but those with the lowest IQ, they might come back." Trump did not say all refugees are low IQ as the post insinuates.

    Disputed comments

    For four of the comments listed on the post, there's not enough evidence to determine whether Trump really said them.

    'S-hole countries'

    During immigration talks in the Oval Office in 2018, Trump reportedly resorted to using crude descriptors for Haiti, El Salvador and some African countries, the Washington Post reported. In the conversation, held between Trump and several congressmen, the president allegedly called those countries "s-hole countries."

    Two of the congressmen at the meeting said they didn't remember the president using those words and one refused to say one way or another, USA TODAY reported. Another didn't deny Trump used the words, and one, Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, said that he did. Trump denied using the language.

    More: Fact check: What Trump and Biden got wrong in the final presidential debate

    'They all have AIDS' and 'go back to their huts'

    A year prior, in 2017, the New York Times reported on two of the comments at hand - that Trump said during a session with his national security team that all Haitians "have AIDS" and that once Nigerian immigrants had seen the U.S. they would never "go back to their huts."

    The sources the Times cited were anonymous staffers who had either attended the meeting or been briefed on it, according to the report. The White House did not deny the "overall description" of the meeting, but "strenuously insisted" Trump never used the words "AIDS" or "huts" in reference to people from any country, the Times report said.

    'Laziness is a trait in Blacks'

    The final unverified statement attributed to Trump - that he said "laziness is a trait in Blacks" - was published in the 1991 book "Trumped!", written by a former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. O'Donnell. There has been no verification of the statement outside the book's claim. The Washington Post described the phrase as "a second hand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact" and said it should be viewed with "some skepticism."

    Trump did not dispute the quote when asked about it in 1997, but denied it two years later in an interview on "Meet the Press."

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    STILL can't understand why liberal Democrats are so in love with Muslims.

    Muslims are against abortion.

    Muslims are against contraception.

    Muslims are against pre-marital sex.

    Muslims are FOR killing homosexuals.

    Muslims are FOR treating women as slaves and chattel.

    Muslims are FOR their old men raping little boys.

    So, if Muslims hold these ideals, why do you Democrats LOVE Muslims, but hate Christians? See [1].

    Muslims HATE you.

    Am I leaving anything else out that you just LOVE about Muslims?

    [1] Oh yeah... Obama is a Muslim, so all is forgiven?

    http://i.imgur.com/uWvhO3t.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/khtGp9x.jpg

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Thu Oct 19 14:08:31 2023
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    On 2023-10-18 21:22, AlleyCat wrote:

    Donald Trump is a racist!

    Why do you say that?

    According to you, this is a sufficient reply:

    <https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=racist+quotes+from+donald+trump&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8>


    But I'm not as lazy or dishonest as you are:

    'Laziness is a trait in blacks'

    '“I have black guys counting my money. … I hate it,” Trump told John R. O’Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, according O’Donnell’s account in his 1991 book “Trumped!” “The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day.”

    Trump, according to O’Donnell, went on to say, “‘Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that.”'


    'The next week we took the depositions. My boss took Fred’s, and I got
    to take Donald’s. He was exactly the way he is today. He said to me at
    one point during a coffee break, “You know, you don’t want to live with them [black people] either.”'


    'Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,”
    Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it:
    They put us all in the back.”'

    'In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day
    lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central
    Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local
    papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13
    years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the
    teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.'

    I've provided the quotes, Pussey.

    Now, in keeping with your own standards, you can find the sources.

    :-)

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to How can YOU prove Trump on Thu Oct 19 20:44:21 2023
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    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 14:08:31 -0700, Alan says...

    according to O?Donnell

    Ha

    ha ha

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    The final UNVERIFIED statement attributed to Trump.

    I've provided the quotes, Pussey.

    You provided hearsay... only.

    True or not?

    "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

    Unproven

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

    How can YOU prove Trump said what O'Donnell said? are there tapes? Videos? 2nd or 3rd witness?

    Now, in keeping with your own standards, you can find the sources.

    I did and I don't mind... like you... you're as lazy as them Blacks.

    DISPUTED comments:

    For four of the comments listed on the post, there's not enough evidence to determine whether Trump really said them.

    The final UNVERIFIED statement attributed to Trump.

    The final unverified statement attributed to Trump - that he said "laziness is a trait in Blacks" - was published in the 1991 book "Trumped!", written by a former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. O'Donnell.

    ha

    ha ha

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Alan Baker believes a dime store novel written by a former employee.

    That's just sad.

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/30/fact-check-12-28- trump-comments-deemed-racist-direct-speech/6062530002/

    Our rating: Partly false

    Of the 28 listed comments, Trump made 12 of them as plainly stated. Two he said but they lack context. Four comments are disputed, eight are paraphrased from similar statements he has made and two he did not say. We rate this claim PARTLY FALSE.

    DISPUTED comments:

    For four of the comments listed on the post, there's not enough evidence to determine whether Trump really said them.

    The final UNVERIFIED statement attributed to Trump.

    The final unverified statement attributed to Trump - that he said "laziness is a trait in Blacks" - was published in the 1991 book "Trumped!", written by a former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. O'Donnell.

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    What's False

    Trump did not utter the full statement, "Laziness is a trait in blacks ... I believe that ... No black person will be president again any time soon."

    What's Undetermined

    Whether Trump ever said "Laziness is a trait in blacks" is not certain.
    - snopes.com

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    This shit's TOO easy to look up, yet you are constantly whining about not seeing any citing from me. I don't see you asking your butt-buddies for citing when they don't list sources.

    So fuck off, ski bunny, with your hearsay and inability to look shit up, yourself.

    "Laziness must be a trait in White liberal Canadians."

    WHO said that?

    *I* said that. Look it up. LOL

    :-)

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    STILL can't understand why liberal Democrats are so in love with Muslims.

    Muslims are against abortion.

    Muslims are against contraception.

    Muslims are against pre-marital sex.

    Muslims are FOR killing homosexuals.

    Muslims are FOR treating women as slaves and chattel.

    Muslims are FOR their old men raping little boys.

    So, if Muslims hold these ideals, why do you Democrats LOVE Muslims, but hate Christians? See [1].

    Muslims HATE you.

    Am I leaving anything else out that you just LOVE about Muslims?

    [1] Oh yeah... Obama is a Muslim, so all is forgiven?

    http://i.imgur.com/uWvhO3t.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/khtGp9x.jpg

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