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    From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 13:42:29 2023
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    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:41:14 -0700, Alan says...

    November 2018

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident>

    You lazy fuck. Dig a little, like I do, and you'll see your accusation is full of holes, like you, when BF comes over, huh?

    You could have clicked on ONE hyper-link and saved yourself from the embarrassment of me refuting what you posted.

    Not only did the Kerch Strait Incident NOT happen IN Ukraine, therefore it NOT being an invasion, clicking on that link would have given you pause aboot whether to post your bullshit. (see below for the crow you'll swallow)

    Tell us, Pussey: Who was president then?

    Barack Obama, ski bunny.

    Ketch Strait Incident - PART OF THE RUSSO-UKRAINIAN WAR, which had ALREADY been raging on, since...?

    Action:

    Russian Coast Guard patrol boats intercept Ukrainian Navy boats and block the strait.

    Result:

    Russian Border Guard Captures Three Ukrainian Naval Vessels

    Ukraine declared regional martial law.

    Ukraine bans entry to all male Russian nationals aged 16-60 for the period of the martial law with exceptions for humanitarian purposes.

    Ukraine claims that Russia blocked vessels from sailing to Ukrainian ports. (denied by Russia)

    The Belligerents:

    Russia
    Ukraine
    Ukrainian Navy

    The Kerch Strait incident was an international incident that occurred on 25 November 2018 in the Kerch Strait, during which the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) coast guard fired upon and captured three Ukrainian Navy vessels after they attempted to transit from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov through the strait on their way to the port of Mariupol.

    It was the first time that Russian forces had openly engaged Ukrainian forces DURING THE RUSSO-UKRAINIAN WAR.

    RUSSO-UKRAINIAN WAR:

    The Russo-Ukrainian War is an ongoing international conflict between Russia, alongside Russian-backed separatists, and Ukraine, WHICH BEGAN IN FEBRUARY 2014.

    Tell us, faggot ski bunny: Who was president in 2014? Obama let it start. If it hadn't ALREADY been started, probably no Kerch Strait incident.

    Fucking Obama.

    4th worst President, ever.

    Following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine and supported pro-Russian separatists fighting the Ukrainian military in the Donbas war. The first eight years of conflict also included naval incidents, cyberwarfare, and heightened political tensions. IN FEBRUARY 2022, RUSSIA LAUNCHED A FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE.

    Tell us, faggot ski bunny: Who was president in 2022?

    Fucking Bidementia.

    1st worst, ever.

    See, ski bunny... all it takes is about a minute of research, to completely put to shame, those who think they're the smartest nerd in the room, and by a big dumb jock, no less.

    https://duckduckgo.com/? q=trump+invoked+sanctions+on+russia+for+kerch+strait&ia=web

    If you can't refute... (I).

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Tue Sep 19 15:31:29 2023
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    On 2023-09-19 11:42, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:41:14 -0700, Alan says...

    November 2018

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident>

    You lazy fuck. Dig a little, like I do, and you'll see your accusation is full
    of holes, like you, when BF comes over, huh?

    You could have clicked on ONE hyper-link and saved yourself from the embarrassment of me refuting what you posted.

    Not only did the Kerch Strait Incident NOT happen IN Ukraine, therefore it NOT
    being an invasion, clicking on that link would have given you pause aboot whether to post your bullshit. (see below for the crow you'll swallow)

    Tell us, Pussey: Who was president then?

    Barack Obama, ski bunny.


    Obama was president in 2018?

    That explains a lot about you, Pussey.

    :-)

    But let's put this in context:

    'So, why didn't Putin go
    in while Trump was President? '

    That's you suggesting that Putin "[went] in" while Biden was president.

    I can understand why you removed that.

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to "Oh... THAT'S why he on Tue Sep 19 19:13:33 2023
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    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 15:31:29 -0700, Alan says...

    Not only did the Kerch Strait Incident NOT happen IN Ukraine, therefore it NOT
    being an invasion, clicking on that link would have given you pause aboot whether to post your bullshit. (see below for the crow you'll swallow)

    Tell us, Pussey: Who was president then?

    Barack Obama, ski bunny.

    I KNEW you wouldn't get it. All it took, was to read the whole article, then have the thought come to mind, "Oh... THAT'S why he said Obama."

    Obama was president in 2018?

    I KNEW you wouldn't get it.

    You don't get shit do you, or were you simply playing at your silly little childish and nerdy game of pretending to be stupid in order to get someone to explain things. I guess you gays really DO think differently, other than just having fucked up chromosomes and genes.

    I KNEW I'd have to spell it out to you, as if you were a 2 year old. Since I listed, LATER, about Obama being the President when the Russo-Ukrainian War started in the first place, I figured the call forward from earlier in the article, and later back, would make you realize that what I meant was it was it was O B A M A'S fault that the Kerch Incident ever happened.

    I know you're probably employing your nerdy little games again, so we'll chalk it up to your immature liberal gay mind.

    Apart from that, if you DIDN'T "get it" the way I wanted you to, you're even MORE stupid than I thought.

    I really thought you'd get it, you know, me spelling out the whole Russo- Ukrainian War thingy and thinking a light bulb MAY go off in your head, and you MAYBE thinking, "ahhh... THAT'S why he spelled the Russo-Ukrainian War thingy out... he wanted me to know that O B A M A was President at the time it started, so it was a play on time-lines."

    But alas... you're the dim bulb kinda gay guy, so...

    That explains a lot about you, Pussey.

    Yeah... it explains it that I can think on MANY more levels than you and at MUCH higher levels at that. You're a poser, thinking you can make us think you're smarter than y9ou actually are.

    No one else chimed in and tried to refute what I posted, because THEY got it.

    ;-)

    Trolling or not... it would SEEM that you could have put the facts about the Russo-Ukrainian War together with the Kerch Incident.

    I guess I shouldn't expect as much out of you liberal gay Cuntnadians. All you have is homosexual affairs and racism on the brain. (see below)

    But let's put this in context:

    Yes, let's. Well... I did, anyways. YOU showed NO context to ONE incident that didn't even happen IN Ukraine, which was the topic... not some minor blow-up involving so few people and military equipment.

    'So, why didn't Putin go
    in while Trump was President? '

    That's you suggesting that Putin "[went] in" while Biden was president.

    It's not a suggestion.

    Joe Biden inauguration: Jan 20, 2021
    Russia invades Ukraine: Feb 24, 2022

    Looks like Putin was WAITING.

    I can understand why you removed that.

    I didn't.

    Following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine and supported pro-Russian separatists fighting the Ukrainian military in the Donbas war. The first eight years of conflict also included naval incidents, cyberwarfare, and heightened political tensions. IN FEBRUARY 2022, RUSSIA LAUNCHED A FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE.

    Fucking Bidementia.

    ***** Tell us, faggot ski bunny: WHO WAS PRESIDENT IN 2022?*****

    THAT was implying Putin "[went] in" while Biden was president, you fucking moron.

    PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.

    =====

    Fucking moronic liberal Cuntnadians.

    Since you seem to WANT to keep rationalizing your fuckups... you're back on ignore (I).

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Tue Sep 19 20:29:15 2023
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    In article <MPG.3f73a7921b3305e15e4@news.eternal-september.org>,
    AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:41:14 -0700, Alan says...

    November 2018

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident>

    You lazy fuck. Dig a little, like I do, and you'll see your accusation is full of holes, like you, when BF comes over, huh?

    You filter everybody in here who has made a fool out of you except on
    Fridays? Must narrow the field a lot from Sat.-Thur.

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 22:31:52 2023
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    I've been busy all night doing other things, and trying to write a pithy reply between those things, but it turned into a long drawn out post, so if I ramble, things get repeated, or are just incomprehensible...

    ... fuck it.

    I don't CARE!

    LOL

    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:15 -0500, super70s says...

    You filter everybody in here who has made a fool out of you

    Like your buddies, wy and swill? I don't see you saying anything about their admitting they killfile. LOL... poor hypocritical toddler.

    But, please, do tell, and be specific. WHO has made a fool out of me? *I'M* the one who gets to decide who makes a fool out of me, dumb ass, because if I do not CARE what anyone says about me, and not the article, it matters not and no fool has been made.

    I CAN'T care less what YOU think, but you DO have the right to FEEL any which way you want. But again... it does NOT matter. Your feewings are of little concern to me.

    Actually, I only filter people I don't wanna see, no matter WHAT they're doing, like Dolf, those who invoke God and Jesus, or Jews and those who spew gibberish, like Kensiff, McLean, and those trying to sell edibles. (there are more, but they're not anyone I EVER engage with. Their posts have NOTHING to do with politics, or the KIND of politics THEY espouse.

    I filter (killfile) NO ONE else, ESPECIALLY those who reply to me. There is not ONE filter I have, that deletes anyone's posts, other than a couple of idiots in the global-warming group, but I only do that, because they write Arsetralian bogan-speak, that I REALLY don't want to take the time to try and decipher.

    I simply ignore those who TRY to be cute, NOT refuting what I post, like Siri, but only attacking the messenger, instead of the message, and refusing to refute what I post... I guess because they can't, like you, Rudy and Alan, though you DO try. Points for that. A-

    This is why I ignore you many times. You never refute what's posted... you just hate what I've posted and can't refute it, so you act like a toddler and attack me. I really don't care what you call me or what you say, so why waste time arguing about ME, and not the topic?

    It's a waste of time arguing with insecure little nerds who only want to argue, be contradictory and never REALLY address the issue, without attacking the messenger. It's that "from a distance thing".

    If any of you nerds took Debate and Speech classes, like I did, you wouldn't have thrown out the number one rule... never get personal. Debate the topic, not the person. I don't mind you attacking me, IF I'm wrong.

    I'll only attack back, if I've been attacked first, but most times I just ignore you nerdy little fucks, because, for the 30 years I've been on Usenet, I've found that you insecure, low-self-esteemed narcissists DO get personal, ESPECIALLY if you have no argument.

    I've said this a million times... I'm only here to keep you children in line. It's fun smacking you back down where you belong, when you start your lies, half-truths (like Lee's) and mis and disinformation. It really doesn't matter. I mean, WHO reads Usenet? LOL But it IS fun to watch you nerds do exactly what you've done here... piss, moan and cry about me, not the issue.

    Argue the topic, and THEN, if I deserve it, call me names. Simply attacking the messenger, ONLY, is childish. If I'm "wrong", point it out, but remember... an OPINION is not really "wrong" OR "right". If you can prove my opinion wrong, have at it, but attacking me for simply HAVING an opinion, is stupid.

    REFUTE MY OPINIONS!

    Do you EVER see me post an article, OFF-THREAD, attacking someone for what they posted in another thread, and because I had no argument?

    Nope.

    That's chicken-shit cowardice. Man up and refute what I post, like I did with Alan. He made a good point, pointing out that something DID happen while Trump was President, but since I don't follow that "if it happens on the President's watch, it's his fault it happened" bullshit, I dug and dug and dug to find out a little more about this Kerch Incident.

    "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

    I refuted Alan saying that the "Kerch Strait Incident" was Trump's "fault", simply because it happened while he was President. And, as I said, I don't believe in that shit, but, since he said it, I said Obama was responsible, because the whole Russo-Ukrainian War started when Obama was President.

    I countered with the incident being part of the Russo-Ukraine War, which was started when Obama was President, and that the incident didn't even HAPPEN in Ukraine, but in a place where Russia AND Ukraine had agreements not to enter unless given permission.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident

    Three whole vessels were fired upon. So, if Trump was "responsible" for THAT incident, does that mean Biden is responsible for every minor incident like that that happens now and till the end of his reign of economic terror?

    No. But, some say that Russia invading Crimea during Obama's administration and Ukraine being invaded by Russia during Biden's, never would have happened under Trump.

    I think that THAT kind of thinking is small-minded, and I only say such things as a counter to what you liberals say about Trump, like saying he and Putin "plotted"...

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin doesn't mean a fucking thing, unless WHAT he said to Putin was anything other than threatening sanctions if he invaded.

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin without context, is the SAME thing as when Obama AND/OR Biden or anyone else, spoke with Putin about Ukraine, but Brucie was trying to imply there was something sinister afoot, without saying EXACTLY what that was. Then, he had the gall to try and pass it off, telling me to argue the point with who he quoted.

    That's chicken shit. I TRY to own what I post, but when I've grown weary of those who KEEP questioning what I post, like Alan does, I either ignore him, or give him the author's email or Twitter address, but ONLY after defending what I post. Alan's playing games, so MOST times I ignore it.

    There was nothing Trump could have done about Kerch, because, first off, it didn't happen IN Ukraine because there was no "war" going on IN Ukraine at the time.

    It was part of the "Russo-Ukraine War", which started when O B A M A was President, and secondly, it was a minor flare up that Alan had dug and dug and dug to find, THINKING it proved, that because it happened while Trump was President, it somehow had something to do with Trump and Putin "plotting" against Ukraine, which WAS the topic, not just aggressions happening while Trump was President.

    It was a non-sequitur at best, mainly because it had NOTHING to do with what Bruce was trying to say... that Trump and Putin "plotted" against Ukraine, and THAT'S why Putin never went into Ukraine while Trump was President.

    I pointed it out, that Trump DID speak with Putin ABOUT Ukraine, but it was probably about what Trump would do if they invaded.

    Trump DID do something about what happened in the Kerch Strait Incident, so WHY would he have "plotted" with Putin and THEN sanction them for doing it?

    Sorry Alan... the topic wasn't about what happened during WHOSE administration, but was about Trump "plotting" with Putin ABOUT Ukraine. WHY would Trump sanction Russia for the Kerch Strait Incident, if they were "plotting" something together?

    Trump also sanctioned Russia on the Crimea annexation.

    Biden took these down from the state.gov website, but here are the overviews.

    =====

    Apr 24
    Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty

    The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

    Mar 15
    Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

    Six Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

    Feb 27
    Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

    =====

    Trump Imposes Major Sanctions on Russian Oligarchs, Officials, Companies

    Mnuchin cited a number of Russian activities around the world as support for Friday's U.S. action, sanctioning Russia, including Moscow's occupation of Crimea and violence in eastern Ukraine, support for Syrian President Bashar al- Assad's attacks against civilians, and Russia's "ongoing cyber-activities" and efforts to "interfere in the democratic processes of the United States and its allies."

    What Brucie and you liberals always forget, are the sanctions Trump imposed on Russia. Now, if Trump and Putin were in cahoots, then WHY would Trump do this?

    *****

    The Kerch Strait incident was an international incident that occurred on 25 November 2018 in the Kerch Strait, during which the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) coast guard fired upon and captured three Ukrainian Navy vessels after they attempted to transit from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov through the strait on their way to the port of Mariupol. It was the first time that Russian forces had openly engaged Ukrainian forces during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

    In 2014, Russia had annexed the nearby Crimean Peninsula, which is predominantly internationally recognized as Ukrainian territory. It later constructed the Crimean Bridge across the strait. Under a 2003 treaty, the strait and the Azov Sea are intended to be the shared territorial waters of both countries, and freely accessible. Russia, in turn, insists that, while the 2003 treaty remains legally valid, Ukrainian ships must ask for permission before entering Russian waters along the perimeter of Crimea as any transnational water crossing, as regulated by the Law of the Sea Treaty. The annexation of Crimea by Russia is not recognized by Ukraine, therefore Ukraine holds that the invocation of an international treaty with regard to Crimean waters is illegitimate.

    *****

    Show us the articles where what I posted was wrong, and NOT someone's opinion on me. Show us where the article(s) I've quoted are incorrect.

    Back it up with fact, not truths.

    https://i.imgur.com/7pFuLEA.mp4

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    Canadian racism is sometimes called "polite" and is characterized by microaggressions, but that is a misnomer. Words like that are used to deflect criticisms and differentiate Canada from the United States, says Henry, though she does see similar ideologies and motivations.

    Canada Must Withdraw From Racist Core Group - Yves Angler https://yvesengler.com/2021/10/24/canada-must-withdraw-from-racist-core-group The least Canadian antiracist activists should do is educate themselves about racism in foreign affairs. There is no justification for Canada participating in this nakedly imperialist alliance. All Canadians of conscience owe a debt of solidarity to the people of Haiti. We must demand Ottawa immediately withdraw from the racist Core Group.

    Sikh Canadians Surge Politically In "Systemically Racist ... https://capforcanada.com/sikh-canadians-surge-politically-in-systemically- racist-canada
    "The reality is, our Canada is a place of racism, of violence." - NDP Party Leader Jagmeet Singh, June 14th 2021. An unprecedented event occurred last night in Alberta, Canada. Sikh-Canadian candidates won in both Calgary and Edmonton mayoral elections.. Jhoti Gondek is the first Sikh-Canadian to become mayor of Calgary. She will be taking over from Naheed Nenshi, three-time winner as ...

    Racism at IRCC could determine who gets in - New Canadian ... https://newcanadianmedia.ca/racism-at-ircc-could-determine-who-gets-in

    IRCC employees are reporting racist workplace behaviour such as racially- charged microaggressions at work, says survey. NCM reporter Isabel Inclan reports on the deeper fallout. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) employees remain skeptical of the measures in place to tackle racism at their workplace, according to a new report.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Wed Sep 20 04:43:06 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.liberalism, alt.politics.democrats XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    In article <MPG.3f7423a1adf17ee25e7@news.eternal-september.org>,
    AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

    But, please, do tell, and be specific. WHO has made a fool out of me? *I'M* the one who gets to decide who makes a fool out of me, dumb ass, because if
    I do not CARE what anyone says about me, and not the article, it matters not and no fool has been made.

    Oh I get it -- you're like the Emperor in The Emperor's New Clothes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 05:14:52 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    I've been busy all night doing other things, and trying to write a pithy reply between those things, but it turned into a long drawn out post, so if I ramble, things get repeated, or are just incomprehensible...

    ... fuck it.

    I don't CARE!

    LOL

    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:15 -0500, super70s says...

    You filter everybody in here who has made a fool out of you

    Like your buddies, wy and swill? I don't see you saying anything about their admitting they killfile. LOL... poor hypocritical toddler.

    But, please, do tell, and be specific. WHO has made a fool out of me? *I'M* the one who gets to decide who makes a fool out of me, dumb ass, because if I do not CARE what anyone says about me, and not the article, it matters not and no fool has been made.

    I CAN'T care less what YOU think, but you DO have the right to FEEL any which way you want. But again... it does NOT matter. Your feewings are of little concern to me.

    Actually, I only filter people I don't wanna see, no matter WHAT they're doing, like Dolf, those who invoke God and Jesus, or Jews and those who spew gibberish, like Kensiff, McLean, and those trying to sell edibles. (there are more, but they're not anyone I EVER engage with. Their posts have NOTHING to do with politics, or the KIND of politics THEY espouse.

    I filter (killfile) NO ONE else, ESPECIALLY those who reply to me. There is not ONE filter I have, that deletes anyone's posts, other than a couple of idiots in the global-warming group, but I only do that, because they write Arsetralian bogan-speak, that I REALLY don't want to take the time to try and decipher.

    I simply ignore those who TRY to be cute, NOT refuting what I post, like Siri, but only attacking the messenger, instead of the message, and refusing to refute what I post... I guess because they can't, like you, Rudy and Alan, though you DO try. Points for that. A-

    This is why I ignore you many times. You never refute what's posted... you just hate what I've posted and can't refute it, so you act like a toddler and attack me. I really don't care what you call me or what you say, so why waste time arguing about ME, and not the topic?

    It's a waste of time arguing with insecure little nerds who only want to argue, be contradictory and never REALLY address the issue, without attacking the messenger. It's that "from a distance thing".

    If any of you nerds took Debate and Speech classes, like I did, you wouldn't have thrown out the number one rule... never get personal. Debate the topic, not the person. I don't mind you attacking me, IF I'm wrong.

    I'll only attack back, if I've been attacked first, but most times I just ignore you nerdy little fucks, because, for the 30 years I've been on Usenet, I've found that you insecure, low-self-esteemed narcissists DO get personal, ESPECIALLY if you have no argument.

    I've said this a million times... I'm only here to keep you children in line. It's fun smacking you back down where you belong, when you start your lies, half-truths (like Lee's) and mis and disinformation. It really doesn't matter. I mean, WHO reads Usenet? LOL But it IS fun to watch you nerds do exactly what you've done here... piss, moan and cry about me, not the issue.

    Argue the topic, and THEN, if I deserve it, call me names. Simply attacking the messenger, ONLY, is childish. If I'm "wrong", point it out, but remember... an OPINION is not really "wrong" OR "right". If you can prove my opinion wrong, have at it, but attacking me for simply HAVING an opinion, is stupid.

    REFUTE MY OPINIONS!

    Do you EVER see me post an article, OFF-THREAD, attacking someone for what they posted in another thread, and because I had no argument?

    Nope.

    That's chicken-shit cowardice. Man up and refute what I post, like I did with Alan. He made a good point, pointing out that something DID happen while Trump was President, but since I don't follow that "if it happens on the President's watch, it's his fault it happened" bullshit, I dug and dug and dug to find out a little more about this Kerch Incident.

    "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

    I refuted Alan saying that the "Kerch Strait Incident" was Trump's "fault", simply because it happened while he was President. And, as I said, I don't believe in that shit, but, since he said it, I said Obama was responsible, because the whole Russo-Ukrainian War started when Obama was President.

    I countered with the incident being part of the Russo-Ukraine War, which was started when Obama was President, and that the incident didn't even HAPPEN in Ukraine, but in a place where Russia AND Ukraine had agreements not to enter unless given permission.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident

    Three whole vessels were fired upon. So, if Trump was "responsible" for THAT incident, does that mean Biden is responsible for every minor incident like that that happens now and till the end of his reign of economic terror?

    No. But, some say that Russia invading Crimea during Obama's administration and Ukraine being invaded by Russia during Biden's, never would have happened under Trump.

    I think that THAT kind of thinking is small-minded, and I only say such things as a counter to what you liberals say about Trump, like saying he and Putin "plotted"...

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin doesn't mean a fucking thing, unless WHAT he said to Putin was anything other than threatening sanctions if he invaded.

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin without context, is the SAME thing as when Obama AND/OR Biden or anyone else, spoke with Putin about Ukraine, but Brucie was trying to imply there was something sinister afoot, without saying EXACTLY what that was. Then, he had the gall to try and pass it off, telling me to argue the point with who he quoted.

    That's chicken shit. I TRY to own what I post, but when I've grown weary of those who KEEP questioning what I post, like Alan does, I either ignore him, or give him the author's email or Twitter address, but ONLY after defending what I post. Alan's playing games, so MOST times I ignore it.

    There was nothing Trump could have done about Kerch, because, first off, it didn't happen IN Ukraine because there was no "war" going on IN Ukraine at the time.

    It was part of the "Russo-Ukraine War", which started when O B A M A was President, and secondly, it was a minor flare up that Alan had dug and dug and dug to find, THINKING it proved, that because it happened while Trump was President, it somehow had something to do with Trump and Putin "plotting" against Ukraine, which WAS the topic, not just aggressions happening while Trump was President.

    It was a non-sequitur at best, mainly because it had NOTHING to do with what Bruce was trying to say... that Trump and Putin "plotted" against Ukraine, and THAT'S why Putin never went into Ukraine while Trump was President.

    I pointed it out, that Trump DID speak with Putin ABOUT Ukraine, but it was probably about what Trump would do if they invaded.

    Trump DID do something about what happened in the Kerch Strait Incident, so WHY would he have "plotted" with Putin and THEN sanction them for doing it?

    Sorry Alan... the topic wasn't about what happened during WHOSE administration, but was about Trump "plotting" with Putin ABOUT Ukraine. WHY would Trump sanction Russia for the Kerch Strait Incident, if they were "plotting" something together?

    Trump also sanctioned Russia on the Crimea annexation.

    Biden took these down from the state.gov website, but here are the overviews.

    =====

    Apr 24
    Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty

    The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

    Mar 15
    Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

    Six Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

    Feb 27
    Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

    =====

    Trump Imposes Major Sanctions on Russian Oligarchs, Officials, Companies

    Mnuchin cited a number of Russian activities around the world as support for Friday's U.S. action, sanctioning Russia, including Moscow's occupation of Crimea and violence in eastern Ukraine, support for Syrian President Bashar al- Assad's attacks against civilians, and Russia's "ongoing cyber-activities" and efforts to "interfere in the democratic processes of the United States and its allies."

    What Brucie and you liberals always forget, are the sanctions Trump imposed on Russia. Now, if Trump and Putin were in cahoots, then WHY would Trump do this?

    *****

    The Kerch Strait incident was an international incident that occurred on 25 November 2018 in the Kerch Strait, during which the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) coast guard fired upon and captured three Ukrainian Navy vessels after they attempted to transit from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov through the strait on their way to the port of Mariupol. It was the first time that Russian forces had openly engaged Ukrainian forces during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

    In 2014, Russia had annexed the nearby Crimean Peninsula, which is predominantly internationally recognized as Ukrainian territory. It later constructed the Crimean Bridge across the strait. Under a 2003 treaty, the strait and the Azov Sea are intended to be the shared territorial waters of both countries, and freely accessible. Russia, in turn, insists that, while the 2003 treaty remains legally valid, Ukrainian ships must ask for permission before entering Russian waters along the perimeter of Crimea as any transnational water crossing, as regulated by the Law of the Sea Treaty. The annexation of Crimea by Russia is not recognized by Ukraine, therefore Ukraine holds that the invocation of an international treaty with regard to Crimean waters is illegitimate.

    *****

    Show us the articles where what I posted was wrong, and NOT someone's opinion on me. Show us where the article(s) I've quoted are incorrect.

    Back it up with fact, not truths.

    https://i.imgur.com/7pFuLEA.mp4

    ============================================================================

    Holier-than-thou LIBERAL Canadians, think they're soooo superior when it comes to slavery, because they "ended" it (not really) a mere 30 years earlier.

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    Racism & the Canadian historical past ... https://divercityvisa.com/racism-the-americanization-of-canadian-historical- past-why-we-should-not-take-a-look-at-ourselves-by-a-u-s-lens
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    Racism in Canada | News, Videos & Articles https://globalnews.ca/tag/racism-in-canada
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    The Canadian Race Relations Foundation (CRRF) was created in 1996 to reaffirm the principles of justice and equality for all in Canada. The CRRF's mandate is to facilitate throughout Canada the development, sharing, and application of knowledge and expertise to eliminate racism and all forms of racial discrimination in Canadian society.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Wed Sep 20 07:39:12 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2023-09-20 03:14, AlleyCat wrote:

    I've been busy all night doing other things, and trying to write a pithy reply
    between those things, but it turned into a long drawn out post, so if I ramble,
    things get repeated, or are just incomprehensible...

    ... fuck it.

    I don't CARE!

    That's a lot of rage-posting for someone who "doesn't CARE!"..


    :-)

    But I never posted that the Kerch incident was Trump's fault, Pussey.
    Why must you lie? Or is it simply that you cannot read for comprehension?

    I posted it to refute your claim that Putin only went in because Biden
    was president, because...

    ...and wait for it...

    ...PUTIN WAS ALREADY IN.


    LOL

    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:15 -0500, super70s says...

    You filter everybody in here who has made a fool out of you

    Like your buddies, wy and swill? I don't see you saying anything about their admitting they killfile. LOL... poor hypocritical toddler.

    But, please, do tell, and be specific. WHO has made a fool out of me? *I'M* the
    one who gets to decide who makes a fool out of me, dumb ass, because if I do not CARE what anyone says about me, and not the article, it matters not and no
    fool has been made.

    I CAN'T care less what YOU think, but you DO have the right to FEEL any which way you want. But again... it does NOT matter. Your feewings are of little concern to me.

    Actually, I only filter people I don't wanna see, no matter WHAT they're doing,
    like Dolf, those who invoke God and Jesus, or Jews and those who spew gibberish, like Kensiff, McLean, and those trying to sell edibles. (there are more, but they're not anyone I EVER engage with. Their posts have NOTHING to do
    with politics, or the KIND of politics THEY espouse.

    I filter (killfile) NO ONE else, ESPECIALLY those who reply to me. There is not
    ONE filter I have, that deletes anyone's posts, other than a couple of idiots in the global-warming group, but I only do that, because they write Arsetralian
    bogan-speak, that I REALLY don't want to take the time to try and decipher.

    I simply ignore those who TRY to be cute, NOT refuting what I post, like Siri,
    but only attacking the messenger, instead of the message, and refusing to refute what I post... I guess because they can't, like you, Rudy and Alan, though you DO try. Points for that. A-

    This is why I ignore you many times. You never refute what's posted... you just
    hate what I've posted and can't refute it, so you act like a toddler and attack
    me. I really don't care what you call me or what you say, so why waste time arguing about ME, and not the topic?

    It's a waste of time arguing with insecure little nerds who only want to argue,
    be contradictory and never REALLY address the issue, without attacking the messenger. It's that "from a distance thing".

    If any of you nerds took Debate and Speech classes, like I did, you wouldn't have thrown out the number one rule... never get personal. Debate the topic, not the person. I don't mind you attacking me, IF I'm wrong.

    I'll only attack back, if I've been attacked first, but most times I just ignore you nerdy little fucks, because, for the 30 years I've been on Usenet, I've found that you insecure, low-self-esteemed narcissists DO get personal, ESPECIALLY if you have no argument.

    I've said this a million times... I'm only here to keep you children in line. It's fun smacking you back down where you belong, when you start your lies, half-truths (like Lee's) and mis and disinformation. It really doesn't matter.
    I mean, WHO reads Usenet? LOL But it IS fun to watch you nerds do exactly what
    you've done here... piss, moan and cry about me, not the issue.

    Argue the topic, and THEN, if I deserve it, call me names. Simply attacking the
    messenger, ONLY, is childish. If I'm "wrong", point it out, but remember... an
    OPINION is not really "wrong" OR "right". If you can prove my opinion wrong, have at it, but attacking me for simply HAVING an opinion, is stupid.

    REFUTE MY OPINIONS!

    Do you EVER see me post an article, OFF-THREAD, attacking someone for what they
    posted in another thread, and because I had no argument?

    Nope.

    That's chicken-shit cowardice. Man up and refute what I post, like I did with Alan. He made a good point, pointing out that something DID happen while Trump
    was President, but since I don't follow that "if it happens on the President's
    watch, it's his fault it happened" bullshit, I dug and dug and dug to find out
    a little more about this Kerch Incident.

    "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

    I refuted Alan saying that the "Kerch Strait Incident" was Trump's "fault", simply because it happened while he was President. And, as I said, I don't believe in that shit, but, since he said it, I said Obama was responsible, because the whole Russo-Ukrainian War started when Obama was President.

    I countered with the incident being part of the Russo-Ukraine War, which was started when Obama was President, and that the incident didn't even HAPPEN in Ukraine, but in a place where Russia AND Ukraine had agreements not to enter unless given permission.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident

    Three whole vessels were fired upon. So, if Trump was "responsible" for THAT incident, does that mean Biden is responsible for every minor incident like that that happens now and till the end of his reign of economic terror?

    No. But, some say that Russia invading Crimea during Obama's administration and
    Ukraine being invaded by Russia during Biden's, never would have happened under
    Trump.

    I think that THAT kind of thinking is small-minded, and I only say such things
    as a counter to what you liberals say about Trump, like saying he and Putin "plotted"...

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin doesn't mean a fucking thing, unless WHAT he said to Putin was anything other than threatening sanctions if he invaded.

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin without context, is the SAME thing
    as when Obama AND/OR Biden or anyone else, spoke with Putin about Ukraine, but
    Brucie was trying to imply there was something sinister afoot, without saying EXACTLY what that was. Then, he had the gall to try and pass it off, telling me
    to argue the point with who he quoted.

    That's chicken shit. I TRY to own what I post, but when I've grown weary of those who KEEP questioning what I post, like Alan does, I either ignore him, or
    give him the author's email or Twitter address, but ONLY after defending what I
    post. Alan's playing games, so MOST times I ignore it.

    There was nothing Trump could have done about Kerch, because, first off, it didn't happen IN Ukraine because there was no "war" going on IN Ukraine at the
    time.

    It was part of the "Russo-Ukraine War", which started when O B A M A was President, and secondly, it was a minor flare up that Alan had dug and dug and
    dug to find, THINKING it proved, that because it happened while Trump was President, it somehow had something to do with Trump and Putin "plotting" against Ukraine, which WAS the topic, not just aggressions happening while Trump was President.

    It was a non-sequitur at best, mainly because it had NOTHING to do with what Bruce was trying to say... that Trump and Putin "plotted" against Ukraine, and
    THAT'S why Putin never went into Ukraine while Trump was President.

    I pointed it out, that Trump DID speak with Putin ABOUT Ukraine, but it was probably about what Trump would do if they invaded.

    Trump DID do something about what happened in the Kerch Strait Incident, so WHY
    would he have "plotted" with Putin and THEN sanction them for doing it?

    Sorry Alan... the topic wasn't about what happened during WHOSE administration,
    but was about Trump "plotting" with Putin ABOUT Ukraine. WHY would Trump sanction Russia for the Kerch Strait Incident, if they were "plotting" something together?

    Trump also sanctioned Russia on the Crimea annexation.

    Biden took these down from the state.gov website, but here are the overviews.

    =====

    Apr 24
    Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty

    The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

    Mar 15
    Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

    Six Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in
    attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada
    on the same day.

    Feb 27
    Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

    =====

    Trump Imposes Major Sanctions on Russian Oligarchs, Officials, Companies

    Mnuchin cited a number of Russian activities around the world as support for Friday's U.S. action, sanctioning Russia, including Moscow's occupation of Crimea and violence in eastern Ukraine, support for Syrian President Bashar al-
    Assad's attacks against civilians, and Russia's "ongoing cyber-activities" and
    efforts to "interfere in the democratic processes of the United States and its
    allies."

    What Brucie and you liberals always forget, are the sanctions Trump imposed on
    Russia. Now, if Trump and Putin were in cahoots, then WHY would Trump do this?

    *****

    The Kerch Strait incident was an international incident that occurred on 25 November 2018 in the Kerch Strait, during which the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) coast guard fired upon and captured three Ukrainian Navy vessels
    after they attempted to transit from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov through
    the strait on their way to the port of Mariupol. It was the first time that Russian forces had openly engaged Ukrainian forces during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

    In 2014, Russia had annexed the nearby Crimean Peninsula, which is predominantly internationally recognized as Ukrainian territory. It later constructed the Crimean Bridge across the strait. Under a 2003 treaty, the strait and the Azov Sea are intended to be the shared territorial waters of both countries, and freely accessible. Russia, in turn, insists that, while the
    2003 treaty remains legally valid, Ukrainian ships must ask for permission before entering Russian waters along the perimeter of Crimea as any transnational water crossing, as regulated by the Law of the Sea Treaty. The annexation of Crimea by Russia is not recognized by Ukraine, therefore Ukraine
    holds that the invocation of an international treaty with regard to Crimean waters is illegitimate.

    *****

    Show us the articles where what I posted was wrong, and NOT someone's opinion on me. Show us where the article(s) I've quoted are incorrect.

    Back it up with fact, not truths.

    https://i.imgur.com/7pFuLEA.mp4

    ============================================================================

    Holier-than-thou LIBERAL Canadians, think they're soooo superior when it comes
    to slavery, because they "ended" it (not really) a mere 30 years earlier.

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    Anti-Black racism in Canada is worse than most Canadians want to believe. With
    the COVID-19 pandemic amplifying the injustices against Black People, it is now
    more important than ever for Canadians to take action.

    Racism & the Canadian historical past ... https://divercityvisa.com/racism-the-americanization-of-canadian-historical- past-why-we-should-not-take-a-look-at-ourselves-by-a-u-s-lens
    The Canadian response to racism south of the border will be described as an Americanization of Canadian historical past. The media's lack of protection of
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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 00:21:54 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    I've been busy all night doing other things, and trying to write a pithy reply between those things, but it turned into a long drawn out post, so if I ramble, things get repeated, or are just incomprehensible...

    ... fuck it.

    I don't CARE!

    LOL

    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:29:15 -0500, super70s says...

    You filter everybody in here who has made a fool out of you

    Like your buddies, wy and swill? I don't see you saying anything about their admitting they killfile. LOL... poor hypocritical toddler.

    But, please, do tell, and be specific. WHO has made a fool out of me? *I'M* the one who gets to decide who makes a fool out of me, dumb ass, because if I do not CARE what anyone says about me, and not the article, it matters not and no fool has been made.

    I CAN'T care less what YOU think, but you DO have the right to FEEL any which way you want. But again... it does NOT matter. Your feewings are of little concern to me.

    Actually, I only filter people I don't wanna see, no matter WHAT they're doing, like Dolf, those who invoke God and Jesus, or Jews and those who spew gibberish, like Kensiff, McLean, and those trying to sell edibles. (there are more, but they're not anyone I EVER engage with. Their posts have NOTHING to do with politics, or the KIND of politics THEY espouse.

    I filter (killfile) NO ONE else, ESPECIALLY those who reply to me. There is not ONE filter I have, that deletes anyone's posts, other than a couple of idiots in the global-warming group, but I only do that, because they write Arsetralian bogan-speak, that I REALLY don't want to take the time to try and decipher.

    I simply ignore those who TRY to be cute, NOT refuting what I post, like Siri, but only attacking the messenger, instead of the message, and refusing to refute what I post... I guess because they can't, like you, Rudy and Alan, though you DO try. Points for that. A-

    This is why I ignore you many times. You never refute what's posted... you just hate what I've posted and can't refute it, so you act like a toddler and attack me. I really don't care what you call me or what you say, so why waste time arguing about ME, and not the topic?

    It's a waste of time arguing with insecure little nerds who only want to argue, be contradictory and never REALLY address the issue, without attacking the messenger. It's that "from a distance thing".

    If any of you nerds took Debate and Speech classes, like I did, you wouldn't have thrown out the number one rule... never get personal. Debate the topic, not the person. I don't mind you attacking me, IF I'm wrong.

    I'll only attack back, if I've been attacked first, but most times I just ignore you nerdy little fucks, because, for the 30 years I've been on Usenet, I've found that you insecure, low-self-esteemed narcissists DO get personal, ESPECIALLY if you have no argument.

    I've said this a million times... I'm only here to keep you children in line. It's fun smacking you back down where you belong, when you start your lies, half-truths (like Lee's) and mis and disinformation. It really doesn't matter. I mean, WHO reads Usenet? LOL But it IS fun to watch you nerds do exactly what you've done here... piss, moan and cry about me, not the issue.

    Argue the topic, and THEN, if I deserve it, call me names. Simply attacking the messenger, ONLY, is childish. If I'm "wrong", point it out, but remember... an OPINION is not really "wrong" OR "right". If you can prove my opinion wrong, have at it, but attacking me for simply HAVING an opinion, is stupid.

    REFUTE MY OPINIONS!

    Do you EVER see me post an article, OFF-THREAD, attacking someone for what they posted in another thread, and because I had no argument?

    Nope.

    That's chicken-shit cowardice. Man up and refute what I post, like I did with Alan. He made a good point, pointing out that something DID happen while Trump was President, but since I don't follow that "if it happens on the President's watch, it's his fault it happened" bullshit, I dug and dug and dug to find out a little more about this Kerch Incident.

    "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

    I refuted Alan saying that the "Kerch Strait Incident" was Trump's "fault", simply because it happened while he was President. And, as I said, I don't believe in that shit, but, since he said it, I said Obama was responsible, because the whole Russo-Ukrainian War started when Obama was President.

    I countered with the incident being part of the Russo-Ukraine War, which was started when Obama was President, and that the incident didn't even HAPPEN in Ukraine, but in a place where Russia AND Ukraine had agreements not to enter unless given permission.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident

    Three whole vessels were fired upon. So, if Trump was "responsible" for THAT incident, does that mean Biden is responsible for every minor incident like that that happens now and till the end of his reign of economic terror?

    No. But, some say that Russia invading Crimea during Obama's administration and Ukraine being invaded by Russia during Biden's, never would have happened under Trump.

    I think that THAT kind of thinking is small-minded, and I only say such things as a counter to what you liberals say about Trump, like saying he and Putin "plotted"...

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin doesn't mean a fucking thing, unless WHAT he said to Putin was anything other than threatening sanctions if he invaded.

    Trump saying he discussed Ukraine with Putin without context, is the SAME thing as when Obama AND/OR Biden or anyone else, spoke with Putin about Ukraine, but Brucie was trying to imply there was something sinister afoot, without saying EXACTLY what that was. Then, he had the gall to try and pass it off, telling me to argue the point with who he quoted.

    That's chicken shit. I TRY to own what I post, but when I've grown weary of those who KEEP questioning what I post, like Alan does, I either ignore him, or give him the author's email or Twitter address, but ONLY after defending what I post. Alan's playing games, so MOST times I ignore it.

    There was nothing Trump could have done about Kerch, because, first off, it didn't happen IN Ukraine because there was no "war" going on IN Ukraine at the time.

    It was part of the "Russo-Ukraine War", which started when O B A M A was President, and secondly, it was a minor flare up that Alan had dug and dug and dug to find, THINKING it proved, that because it happened while Trump was President, it somehow had something to do with Trump and Putin "plotting" against Ukraine, which WAS the topic, not just aggressions happening while Trump was President.

    It was a non-sequitur at best, mainly because it had NOTHING to do with what Bruce was trying to say... that Trump and Putin "plotted" against Ukraine, and THAT'S why Putin never went into Ukraine while Trump was President.

    I pointed it out, that Trump DID speak with Putin ABOUT Ukraine, but it was probably about what Trump would do if they invaded.

    Trump DID do something about what happened in the Kerch Strait Incident, so WHY would he have "plotted" with Putin and THEN sanction them for doing it?

    Sorry Alan... the topic wasn't about what happened during WHOSE administration, but was about Trump "plotting" with Putin ABOUT Ukraine. WHY would Trump sanction Russia for the Kerch Strait Incident, if they were "plotting" something together?

    Trump also sanctioned Russia on the Crimea annexation.

    Biden took these down from the state.gov website, but here are the overviews.

    =====

    Apr 24
    Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty

    The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

    Mar 15
    Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

    Six Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

    Feb 27
    Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

    =====

    Trump Imposes Major Sanctions on Russian Oligarchs, Officials, Companies

    Mnuchin cited a number of Russian activities around the world as support for Friday's U.S. action, sanctioning Russia, including Moscow's occupation of Crimea and violence in eastern Ukraine, support for Syrian President Bashar al- Assad's attacks against civilians, and Russia's "ongoing cyber-activities" and efforts to "interfere in the democratic processes of the United States and its allies."

    What Brucie and you liberals always forget, are the sanctions Trump imposed on Russia. Now, if Trump and Putin were in cahoots, then WHY would Trump do this?

    *****

    The Kerch Strait incident was an international incident that occurred on 25 November 2018 in the Kerch Strait, during which the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) coast guard fired upon and captured three Ukrainian Navy vessels after they attempted to transit from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov through the strait on their way to the port of Mariupol. It was the first time that Russian forces had openly engaged Ukrainian forces during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

    In 2014, Russia had annexed the nearby Crimean Peninsula, which is predominantly internationally recognized as Ukrainian territory. It later constructed the Crimean Bridge across the strait. Under a 2003 treaty, the strait and the Azov Sea are intended to be the shared territorial waters of both countries, and freely accessible. Russia, in turn, insists that, while the 2003 treaty remains legally valid, Ukrainian ships must ask for permission before entering Russian waters along the perimeter of Crimea as any transnational water crossing, as regulated by the Law of the Sea Treaty. The annexation of Crimea by Russia is not recognized by Ukraine, therefore Ukraine holds that the invocation of an international treaty with regard to Crimean waters is illegitimate.

    *****

    Show us the articles where what I posted was wrong, and NOT someone's opinion on me. Show us where the article(s) I've quoted are incorrect.

    Back it up with fact, not truths.

    https://i.imgur.com/7pFuLEA.mp4

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