• Ford's EV Plan in Trouble

    From Paul Ragna@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 22:03:09 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    "Ford’s EV Plan in Trouble"

    <https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ev-plan-in-trouble/ar- AA1gED08?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d4535f720a5143bbae55e72cf3848f4d&ei=


    "Ford was supposed to be able to build 600,000 electric vehicles (EVs)
    this year. Then, it wasn’t. The date was pushed back to the end of 2024.
    Now, Ford may be unable to sell all those EVs, even if it hits that
    production number. Too few people want an F-150 Lightning, Ford’s
    electric flagship. (These 15 cars hold their value the longest.)
    According to Bloomberg, Ford has raised production of the hybrid F-150, a watered-down version that helps save gasoline and the environment. Jim
    Farley, Ford CEO, says he is surprised by the demand for the hybrid
    version. He failed to mention that it is a sunsetting of his plan for
    Ford’s future and aspirations.

    The hybrid F-150 is cheaper than the Lightning. Apparently, pickup
    drivers did not warm to its high price. The hybrid engine is ancient
    compared to EV engines. Cleverly, Ford did not say the lack of demand for
    the Lightning may be permanent.

    Several research studies show many Americans do not want to own EVs. They
    take too long to charge, and there are too few charging stations.
    Meanwhile, there are hundreds of thousands of gas stations in the United States, and it takes about 10 minutes to fill the tank of most pickups."

    "Ford needed the Lightning to be a success. The F-150 is the gas-powered flagship of Ford and the best-selling vehicle in the United States for
    four decades. If Ford cannot sell an electric version, the company will
    be in deep trouble regarding the balance of its EV model line. And rival
    Tesla is bringing a competitor, the Cybertruck, to market this year.

    ALSO READ: America’s Least Reliable New Cars

    According to its management, Ford has bet its future and billions of
    dollars on EVs. Bill Ford, Ford’s executive chair, who controls the
    company via his family’s shares, said the Lightning is the most important vehicle launch of his tenure. Sorry, but it isn’t working out as
    planned."

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  • From Charlie Glock <"Charlie@21:1/5 to Paul Ragna on Thu Sep 14 11:07:47 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 2023-09-13, Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote:
    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    "FordÂ’s EV Plan in Trouble"

    <https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ev-plan-in-trouble/ar-
    AA1gED08?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d4535f720a5143bbae55e72cf3848f4d&ei=


    "Ford was supposed to be able to build 600,000 electric vehicles (EVs)
    this year. Then, it wasnÂ’t. The date was pushed back to the end of 2024. Now, Ford may be unable to sell all those EVs, even if it hits that production number. Too few people want an F-150 Lightning, FordÂ’s
    electric flagship. (These 15 cars hold their value the longest.)
    According to Bloomberg, Ford has raised production of the hybrid F-150, a watered-down version that helps save gasoline and the environment. Jim Farley, Ford CEO, says he is surprised by the demand for the hybrid
    version. He failed to mention that it is a sunsetting of his plan for
    FordÂ’s future and aspirations.

    The hybrid F-150 is cheaper than the Lightning. Apparently, pickup
    drivers did not warm to its high price. The hybrid engine is ancient
    compared to EV engines. Cleverly, Ford did not say the lack of demand for
    the Lightning may be permanent.

    Several research studies show many Americans do not want to own EVs. They take too long to charge, and there are too few charging stations.
    Meanwhile, there are hundreds of thousands of gas stations in the United States, and it takes about 10 minutes to fill the tank of most pickups."

    "Ford needed the Lightning to be a success. The F-150 is the gas-powered flagship of Ford and the best-selling vehicle in the United States for
    four decades. If Ford cannot sell an electric version, the company will
    be in deep trouble regarding the balance of its EV model line. And rival Tesla is bringing a competitor, the Cybertruck, to market this year.

    ALSO READ: AmericaÂ’s Least Reliable New Cars

    According to its management, Ford has bet its future and billions of
    dollars on EVs. Bill Ford, FordÂ’s executive chair, who controls the
    company via his familyÂ’s shares, said the Lightning is the most important vehicle launch of his tenure. Sorry, but it isnÂ’t working out as
    planned."


    Presently, the only Ev worth buying are the Tesla models. All the rest are behind in the technology
    although theoretically they do have an advantage by having a large network for servicing and parts
    procurement.
    The Ev fad could possibly turn out to be a huge nothing burger.
    We shall see in time.

    --
    Charlie Glock
    "To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens"
    -- Adolf Hitler

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Glock"@localhost.com on Thu Sep 14 07:55:53 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    "Charlie Glock" <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote in message news:7QBMM.8529$JX2f.6768@fx13.iad...
    On 2023-09-13, Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote:
    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    "Ford’s EV Plan in Trouble"

    <https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ev-plan-in-trouble/ar-
    AA1gED08?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d4535f720a5143bbae55e72cf3848f4d&ei=


    "Ford was supposed to be able to build 600,000 electric vehicles (EVs)
    this year. Then, it wasn’t. The date was pushed back to the end of 2024. >> Now, Ford may be unable to sell all those EVs, even if it hits that
    production number. Too few people want an F-150 Lightning, Ford’s
    electric flagship. (These 15 cars hold their value the longest.)
    According to Bloomberg, Ford has raised production of the hybrid F-150, a
    watered-down version that helps save gasoline and the environment. Jim
    Farley, Ford CEO, says he is surprised by the demand for the hybrid
    version. He failed to mention that it is a sunsetting of his plan for
    Ford’s future and aspirations.

    The hybrid F-150 is cheaper than the Lightning. Apparently, pickup
    drivers did not warm to its high price. The hybrid engine is ancient
    compared to EV engines. Cleverly, Ford did not say the lack of demand for
    the Lightning may be permanent.

    Several research studies show many Americans do not want to own EVs. They
    take too long to charge, and there are too few charging stations.
    Meanwhile, there are hundreds of thousands of gas stations in the United
    States, and it takes about 10 minutes to fill the tank of most pickups."

    "Ford needed the Lightning to be a success. The F-150 is the gas-powered
    flagship of Ford and the best-selling vehicle in the United States for
    four decades. If Ford cannot sell an electric version, the company will
    be in deep trouble regarding the balance of its EV model line. And rival
    Tesla is bringing a competitor, the Cybertruck, to market this year.

    ALSO READ: America’s Least Reliable New Cars

    According to its management, Ford has bet its future and billions of
    dollars on EVs. Bill Ford, Ford’s executive chair, who controls the
    company via his family’s shares, said the Lightning is the most important >> vehicle launch of his tenure. Sorry, but it isn’t working out as
    planned."


    Presently, the only Ev worth buying are the Tesla models.

    Sure, but who can afford them? let me guess the same people who complain
    they can't repay their student loans.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu Sep 14 13:50:22 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 2023-09-14, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Charlie Glock" <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote in message news:7QBMM.8529$JX2f.6768@fx13.iad...
    On 2023-09-13, Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote:
    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    "Ford’s EV Plan in Trouble"

    <https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ev-plan-in-trouble/ar-
    AA1gED08?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d4535f720a5143bbae55e72cf3848f4d&ei= >>> 13>

    "Ford was supposed to be able to build 600,000 electric vehicles (EVs)
    this year. Then, it wasn’t. The date was pushed back to the end of 2024. >>> Now, Ford may be unable to sell all those EVs, even if it hits that
    production number. Too few people want an F-150 Lightning, Ford’s
    electric flagship. (These 15 cars hold their value the longest.)
    According to Bloomberg, Ford has raised production of the hybrid F-150, a >>> watered-down version that helps save gasoline and the environment. Jim
    Farley, Ford CEO, says he is surprised by the demand for the hybrid
    version. He failed to mention that it is a sunsetting of his plan for
    Ford’s future and aspirations.

    The hybrid F-150 is cheaper than the Lightning. Apparently, pickup
    drivers did not warm to its high price. The hybrid engine is ancient
    compared to EV engines. Cleverly, Ford did not say the lack of demand for >>> the Lightning may be permanent.

    Several research studies show many Americans do not want to own EVs. They >>> take too long to charge, and there are too few charging stations.
    Meanwhile, there are hundreds of thousands of gas stations in the United >>> States, and it takes about 10 minutes to fill the tank of most pickups." >>>
    "Ford needed the Lightning to be a success. The F-150 is the gas-powered >>> flagship of Ford and the best-selling vehicle in the United States for
    four decades. If Ford cannot sell an electric version, the company will
    be in deep trouble regarding the balance of its EV model line. And rival >>> Tesla is bringing a competitor, the Cybertruck, to market this year.

    ALSO READ: America’s Least Reliable New Cars

    According to its management, Ford has bet its future and billions of
    dollars on EVs. Bill Ford, Ford’s executive chair, who controls the
    company via his family’s shares, said the Lightning is the most important >>> vehicle launch of his tenure. Sorry, but it isn’t working out as
    planned."


    Presently, the only Ev worth buying are the Tesla models.

    Sure, but who can afford them? let me guess the same people who complain
    they can't repay their student loans.


    They are expensive but at least for Tesla the price seems to be dropping, at least for now. Where I
    live the greeniacs and tree hugger Suburu drivers are the mostly likely to buy a Tesla.
    And I do see a large number of Teslas.
    Probably the same whiners who also earned useless degrees like gender studies.


    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Paul Ragna on Thu Sep 14 07:11:56 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 9/13/2023 3:03 PM, Paul Ragna wrote:
    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    "Ford’s EV Plan in Trouble"

    Wrong.

    LAS VEGAS, Nev. — Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford, was pulling a U-turn in an electric vehicle. The reason? An elusive charging station.

    "Where's the charger? This is always what happens to me," he said good-naturedly, as he turned his F-150 Lightning around, while following directions from his teenage son in the back seat. "Are they in that corner?"

    But when it comes to Ford's plans to scale up electric vehicle production, Farley says, there's no U-turn at all.

    Despite setbacks, the company that revolutionized the auto industry with the Model T is determined to be a major player in the electric revolution, too.

    Competition is fierce. Tesla dominates the industry, both in the U.S. and globally, and legacy automakers are falling over themselves to figure out exactly how, and how quickly, they can catch up.

    Ford planned to make EVs at a rate of 600,000 per year by the end of 2023, but Farley — who has led the company since 2020 — recently announced the company was
    moving that milestone into next year. A goal of 2 million by 2026 was delayed indefinitely. (Tesla, the EV leader, sold 1.3 million last year).

    Ford is losing money on each EV it sells, so the reason for the shift in plans didn't seem to be a mystery.

    The announcement made headlines and despite solid overall earnings, Ford shares dropped.

    But in an interview with NPR, Farley denied there was any significant shift in strategy, calling the reasons for the delay "almost mechanical." He was at the tail end of a three-day EV road trip from northern California to Las Vegas.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/11/1193083777/ford-electric-vehicles-f150-lightning-jim-farley

    Ford is not backing off EVs.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to pothead on Thu Sep 14 07:30:59 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 9/14/2023 6:50 AM, pothead wrote:
    On 2023-09-14, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Charlie Glock" <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote in message
    news:7QBMM.8529$JX2f.6768@fx13.iad...
    On 2023-09-13, Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote:
    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    That's a lie.

    "Ford’s EV Plan in Trouble"

    No, it isn't.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 15 07:29:14 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 07:55:53 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    Sure, but who can afford them?

    Anybody who can afford a new car.

    Swill
    --
    "Instead of building a wall or sending CBP agents to the border, why
    doesn't the GOP send thoughts and prayers? It works so well for Mass
    Shootings it should easily solve the border issue." - unknown

    Dead Nazi Series: Goering - https://tinyurl.com/5dksebj5

    GO TRUMP! Go farther! Farther! I can still hear you!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

    Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief. <https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Glock"@localhost.com on Fri Sep 15 07:28:30 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:07:47 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:

    On 2023-09-13, Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote:
    The castle is crumbling.
    Ford has realized that people simply don't want EV.

    "Ford?s EV Plan in Trouble"

    <https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ev-plan-in-trouble/ar-
    AA1gED08?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d4535f720a5143bbae55e72cf3848f4d&ei=


    "Ford was supposed to be able to build 600,000 electric vehicles (EVs)
    this year. Then, it wasn?t. The date was pushed back to the end of 2024.
    Now, Ford may be unable to sell all those EVs, even if it hits that
    production number. Too few people want an F-150 Lightning, Ford?s
    electric flagship. (These 15 cars hold their value the longest.)
    According to Bloomberg, Ford has raised production of the hybrid F-150, a
    watered-down version that helps save gasoline and the environment. Jim
    Farley, Ford CEO, says he is surprised by the demand for the hybrid
    version. He failed to mention that it is a sunsetting of his plan for
    Ford?s future and aspirations.

    The hybrid F-150 is cheaper than the Lightning. Apparently, pickup
    drivers did not warm to its high price. The hybrid engine is ancient
    compared to EV engines. Cleverly, Ford did not say the lack of demand for
    the Lightning may be permanent.

    Several research studies show many Americans do not want to own EVs. They
    take too long to charge, and there are too few charging stations.
    Meanwhile, there are hundreds of thousands of gas stations in the United
    States, and it takes about 10 minutes to fill the tank of most pickups."

    "Ford needed the Lightning to be a success. The F-150 is the gas-powered
    flagship of Ford and the best-selling vehicle in the United States for
    four decades. If Ford cannot sell an electric version, the company will
    be in deep trouble regarding the balance of its EV model line. And rival
    Tesla is bringing a competitor, the Cybertruck, to market this year.

    ALSO READ: America?s Least Reliable New Cars

    According to its management, Ford has bet its future and billions of
    dollars on EVs. Bill Ford, Ford?s executive chair, who controls the
    company via his family?s shares, said the Lightning is the most important
    vehicle launch of his tenure. Sorry, but it isn?t working out as
    planned."


    Presently, the only Ev worth buying are the Tesla models. All the rest are behind in the technology

    Including Motor Trend's 2022 car of the year?
    <https://www.lucidmotors.com/air>

    although theoretically they do have an advantage by having a large network for servicing and parts
    procurement.
    The Ev fad could possibly turn out to be a huge nothing burger.
    We shall see in time.

    We certainly shall.

    Swill
    --
    "Instead of building a wall or sending CBP agents to the border, why
    doesn't the GOP send thoughts and prayers? It works so well for Mass
    Shootings it should easily solve the border issue." - unknown

    Dead Nazi Series: Goering - https://tinyurl.com/5dksebj5

    GO TRUMP! Go farther! Farther! I can still hear you!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

    Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief. <https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Sep 16 09:40:59 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 07:29:14 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 07:55:53 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    Sure, but who can afford them?

    Anybody who can afford a new car.

    Swill



    "He brings up a great point. The electric vehicles on the market are
    well beyond the means of most consumers and get more expensive all the
    time. Tesla and Rivian both hiked their prices this month. The
    cheapest Tesla, a Model 3, now costs $47,000 to start. Ford’s Mach-E
    has a similar base price if you include the delivery charge and taxes. Cadillac’s Lyriq will start at around $60,000 when it goes into
    production next week."

    "https://ampo.org/electric-vehicles-are-out-of-reach-for-most-u-s-consumers/

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sun Sep 17 10:48:35 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 09:40:59 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 07:29:14 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 07:55:53 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    Sure, but who can afford them?

    Anybody who can afford a new car.

    Swill



    "He brings up a great point. The electric vehicles on the market are
    well beyond the means of most consumers and get more expensive all the
    time. Tesla and Rivian both hiked their prices this month. The
    cheapest Tesla, a Model 3, now costs $47,000 to start. Ford’s Mach-E
    has a similar base price if you include the delivery charge and taxes. >Cadillac’s Lyriq will start at around $60,000 when it goes into
    production next week."

    "https://ampo.org/electric-vehicles-are-out-of-reach-for-most-u-s-consumers/

    And Swill runs away yet again.

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