Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five
cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in news:XnsB07D476AA2CDC882000099222@135.181.20.170:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that
brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five
cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue- recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017 https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story? id=50922136
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023 https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-for- fire-risk-468992/
‘Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023 https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm- recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in news:XnsB07D476AA2CDC882000099222@135.181.20.170:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that
brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five
cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue- recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017 https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story? id=50922136
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023 https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-for- fire-risk-468992/
‘Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023 https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm- recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
On 2023-09-12, Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsB07D476AA2CDC882000099222@135.181.20.170:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from
that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded
at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue
- recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story
? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-for
- fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
‘Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm-
recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could happen
to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct because if it
doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best regardless of what they
claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia=we
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Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsB07D476AA2CDC882000099222@135.181.20.170:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from
that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded
at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issu
e- recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
Yes, but you have to remember one very important difference. While a
gasoline car may catch fire, the resulting fire is easily controlled
by the sprinkler systems installed in parking garages
An EV vehicle fire is a whole different matter as a typical sprinkler
system will do little to control the fire or prevent the spread of the
fire.
As such they pose a much greater hazard in such areas. More so in an
enclosed parking garage as you might have with a subterranean parking
garage as you might find in large cities. then the massive amount of
toxic fumes are a critical matter is it becomes impossible to breath
in such a garage and cleanup of the toxic dust becomes a major and
expensive operation.
So if we only look at the number of fires then ICEs come out on top..
but would they if we look at the RATE of such fires, or the severity
and impact of such fires? I doubt it.
The problem is these batteries are extremely hazardous posing a
significant fire hazard as well as extremely toxic fumes and
environmental impact. You can't just 'wash' it away.. as the chemicals
are highly toxic even in small amounts and does not go away. they are
forever chemicals... once released into the environment, they remain.
On 2023-09-12, Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsB07D476AA2CDC882000099222@135.181.20.170:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that
brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five
cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue-
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
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HARE THIS ARTICLE:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from
that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded
at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue
- recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story
? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-for
- fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
‘Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm-
recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could happen
to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct because if it
doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely seize and getting
support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best regardless of what they
claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia=we
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from
that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss
ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto
ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f
or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
‘Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm
- recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely
seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia=
we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of
the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other
reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
‘Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely
seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia=
we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of
the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other
reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because of poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations to
go around.
Here we go again.but aside from that
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects,
brand?
t
I'm stunned that environmentally aware liberals would permit this sort of >thing.
.2
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Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsB07D476AA2CDC882000099222@135.181.20.170:
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that >>>> brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five >>>> cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at >>>> Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue-
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
Yes, but you have to remember one very important difference. While a
gasoline car may catch fire, the resulting fire is easily controlled by the >sprinkler systems installed in parking garages
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
The problem is these batteries are extremely hazardous posing a
significant fire hazard as well as extremely toxic fumes and
environmental impact. You can't just 'wash' it away.. as the chemicals
are highly toxic even in small amounts and does not go away. they are
forever chemicals... once released into the environment, they remain.
I'm stunned that environmentally aware liberals would permit this sort of >thing.
On 2023-09-12, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote
Here we go again.Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that
brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
<https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issue-recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/>
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story?
id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-for-
fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
?Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm-
recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car
is for it to self destruct because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely seize
and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia=web>
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Paul Ragna <tpragna1900O@gmail.com> wrote in
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from
that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded
at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-issu
e- recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
Yes, but you have to remember one very important difference. While a
gasoline car may catch fire, the resulting fire is easily controlled
by the sprinkler systems installed in parking garages
An EV vehicle fire is a whole different matter as a typical sprinkler
system will do little to control the fire or prevent the spread of the
fire.
As such they pose a much greater hazard in such areas. More so in an
enclosed parking garage as you might have with a subterranean parking
garage as you might find in large cities. then the massive amount of
toxic fumes are a critical matter is it becomes impossible to breath
in such a garage and cleanup of the toxic dust becomes a major and
expensive operation.
So if we only look at the number of fires then ICEs come out on top..
but would they if we look at the RATE of such fires, or the severity
and impact of such fires? I doubt it.
The problem is these batteries are extremely hazardous posing a
significant fire hazard as well as extremely toxic fumes and
environmental impact. You can't just 'wash' it away.. as the chemicals
are highly toxic even in small amounts and does not go away. they are
forever chemicals... once released into the environment, they remain.
I'm stunned that environmentally aware liberals would permit this sort of thing.
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
Â'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely
seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia=
we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of
the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other
reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because of poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations to
go around.
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys >>>>>>> five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
Ă‚'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely
seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia= >>>>> we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of
the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other
reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because of
poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations to
go around.
And further unlike an ICE were some friendly driver can come by and pour a couple of gallons into your tank to get you to the next station. When an EV dies... it's there to stay.. until you can get a tow truck,... not not just any tow truck.. to come along, or you somehow manage to find someone able to bring some sort of charging rig to wherever you are stranded.
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside
from that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys
five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-is
su e-
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
Yes, but you have to remember one very important difference. While a
gasoline car may catch fire, the resulting fire is easily controlled
by the sprinkler systems installed in parking garages
An EV vehicle fire is a whole different matter as a typical
sprinkler system will do little to control the fire or prevent the
spread of the fire.
As such they pose a much greater hazard in such areas. More so in an
enclosed parking garage as you might have with a subterranean
parking garage as you might find in large cities. then the massive
amount of toxic fumes are a critical matter is it becomes impossible
to breath in such a garage and cleanup of the toxic dust becomes a
major and expensive operation.
So if we only look at the number of fires then ICEs come out on
top.. but would they if we look at the RATE of such fires, or the
severity and impact of such fires? I doubt it.
The problem is these batteries are extremely hazardous posing a
significant fire hazard as well as extremely toxic fumes and
environmental impact. You can't just 'wash' it away.. as the
chemicals are highly toxic even in small amounts and does not go
away. they are forever chemicals... once released into the
environment, they remain.
I'm stunned that environmentally aware liberals would permit this
sort of thing.
Simple.. like all liberals they only look at the part of the picture
they want to see... the lack of a tailpipe.... what it takes to get
the minerals and so on to produce that car means nothing.. what
happens afterwards means nothing.
As long as they don't see the pollution.. then it doesn't count.
I mean if they were really for cutting emissions they would be
screaming to impose a 100% embargo on all Chinese products..
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Shit cars, but valid. See below.Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys >>>>>>>> five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/ >>>>>>
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault. >>>>>>
Ă‚'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. " >>>>>>
Lol!
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris >>>>>>
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely >>>>>> seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia= >>>>>> we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of >>>> the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other >>>> reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because
of
poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations to >>> go around.
And further unlike an ICE were some friendly driver can come by and pour
a
couple of gallons into your tank to get you to the next station. When an
EV
dies... it's there to stay.. until you can get a tow truck,... not not
just
any tow truck.. to come along, or you somehow manage to find someone able
to
bring some sort of charging rig to wherever you are stranded.
This sounds like a great opportunity for some entrepreneur to start a business.
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five
cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
A detached EV battery has been confirmed as the source of the fire Fire
and rescue crews attended the scene under the control tower at Sydney
Airport Authorities have monitored the battery overnight in case of a spark-up
Fire and Rescue NSW and the Aviation Rescue Firefighting Service battled
the blaze which broke out under the control tower on the southern end of Airport Drive in Mascot.
Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery
from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about
8:30pm."
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion- battery-causes-fire/102846146>
Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five
cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at
Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
A detached EV battery has been confirmed as the source of the fire Fire
and rescue crews attended the scene under the control tower at Sydney
Airport Authorities have monitored the battery overnight in case of a spark-up
Fire and Rescue NSW and the Aviation Rescue Firefighting Service battled
the blaze which broke out under the control tower on the southern end of Airport Drive in Mascot.
Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery
from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about
8:30pm."
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion- battery-causes-fire/102846146>
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Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys >>>>>>> five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/
Shit cars, but valid. See below.
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault.
Â'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. "
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris
Lol!
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely
seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia= >>>>> we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of
the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other
reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because of
poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations to
go around.
And further unlike an ICE were some friendly driver can come by and pour a >couple of gallons into your tank to get you to the next station. When an EV >dies... it's there to stay.. until you can get a tow truck,... not not just >any tow truck.. to come along, or you somehow manage to find someone able to >bring some sort of charging rig to wherever you are stranded.
Yes, but they would have to be able to obtain access, and it could take
quite some time to charge even a little, given the time delay required to >warm the pack up first. So it could be a business it would be of limited >utility and given the constraints mentioned above a VERY expensive service. >Would probably be far better and cheaper to simply have a flat bed to tow >them to a charger at which point you can 'abandon' them to deal with any >issues of charging. Of course, EVERYONE who is stuck is going to want a
tow.. So, so you pull out 5 cars, or take one to the charging station? So >frankly I don't ever see it really being a thing. Now where such program >might be better is developing a crawler than can enter a parking garage to >either charge or recover an EV that is no longer able to move. That's a
major problem because when they die.. everything is locked up. Doors, >steering, even the wheels. Again a very special service and one which would >cost the customer serious money... but it would be cheaper than the >alternatives.
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Shit cars, but valid. See below.Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys >>>>>>>> five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/ >>>>>>
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault. >>>>>>
Ă‚'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. " >>>>>>
Lol!
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris >>>>>>
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely >>>>>> seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia= >>>>>> we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of >>>> the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like
"EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other >>>> reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very
old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have
never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the
height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of
owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because of >>> poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations to >>> go around.
And further unlike an ICE were some friendly driver can come by and pour a >>couple of gallons into your tank to get you to the next station. When an EV >>dies... it's there to stay.. until you can get a tow truck,... not not just >>any tow truck.. to come along, or you somehow manage to find someone able to >>bring some sort of charging rig to wherever you are stranded.
The market will change as penetration increases. Eventually tow trucks will catch on to
having fast charge systems on their trucks and quick charges of 20-40 miles can be done in
5 minutes.
Swill
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Yes, but they would have to be able to obtain access, and it could take >>quite some time to charge even a little, given the time delay required to >>warm the pack up first. So it could be a business it would be of limited >>utility and given the constraints mentioned above a VERY expensive service. >>Would probably be far better and cheaper to simply have a flat bed to tow >>them to a charger at which point you can 'abandon' them to deal with any >>issues of charging. Of course, EVERYONE who is stuck is going to want a >>tow.. So, so you pull out 5 cars, or take one to the charging station? So >>frankly I don't ever see it really being a thing. Now where such program >>might be better is developing a crawler than can enter a parking garage to >>either charge or recover an EV that is no longer able to move. That's a >>major problem because when they die.. everything is locked up. Doors, >>steering, even the wheels. Again a very special service and one which would >>cost the customer serious money... but it would be cheaper than the >>alternatives.
Dump your oil stock while you still can.
Swill
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On 2023-09-12, Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
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Shit cars, but valid. See below.Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside
from that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport,
destroys five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia- >>>>>>> iss ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/ >>>>>>
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/ >>>>>>> sto ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalle >>>>>>> d-f or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at
fault.
Â'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside >>>>>>> -gm - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition.
"
Lol!
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris >>>>>>
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than
likely seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at
best regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5& >>>>>> ia= we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity
of the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something
like "EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire.
The other reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these
garages, very old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of
these cars at once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations
however I have never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long
as it meets the height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage
of owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains
because of poor battery performance in the cold and not enough
changing stations to go around.
And further unlike an ICE were some friendly driver can come by and
pour a couple of gallons into your tank to get you to the next
station. When an EV dies... it's there to stay.. until you can get a
tow truck,... not not just any tow truck.. to come along, or you
somehow manage to find someone able to bring some sort of charging rig
to wherever you are stranded.
The market will change as penetration increases. Eventually tow
trucks will catch on to having fast charge systems on their trucks and
quick charges of 20-40 miles can be done in 5 minutes.
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On 2023-09-12, Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
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Shit cars, but valid. See below.Here we go again.
How often do ICE cars explode all by themselves?
Huyndai and Kia have piss poor quality and defects, but aside from >>>>>>>>> that brand?
"Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys >>>>>>>>> five cars"
<https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4181751/posts>
"Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night. Key points:
Hyundai, Kia issue recall, warn cars could
spontaneously catch fire.
Feb 10, 2022
https://www.firerescue1.com/risk-management/articles/hyundai-kia-iss >>>>>>>> ue -
recall-warn-cars-could-spontaneously-catch-fire-YCJShWTMerapCaAH/ >>>>>>>
BMW recalls 1 million vehicles for fire risk
NNovember 3, 2017
https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/sto >>>>>>>> ry ? id=50922136
This one is valid.
43,000 Toyota, Lexus Vehicles Recalled for Fire Risk
July 13, 2023
https://www.cars.com/articles/43000-toyota-lexus-vehicles-recalled-f >>>>>>>> or - fire-risk-468992/
These are hybrid cars.
And it's the DC-DC converter (the hybrid portion) that is at fault. >>>>>>>
Ă‚'Park Outside': GM Recalls 40,000 Pickups to Fix Fire Risk
April 22, 2023
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/park-outside-gm >>>>>>>> - recalls-40000-pickups-to-fix-fire-risk/3020092/
"GM said it's not aware of any injuries related to the condition. " >>>>>>>
Lol!
Hyundai and Kia to owners of almost 485,000
recalled vehicles: Park them outside due to
fire risk
FEBRUARY 8, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-kia-recall-vehicles-fire-ris >>>>>>>
Assuming nobody is injured of course, the best thing that could
happen to a Kia/Huyndai owner's car is for it to self destruct
because if it doesn't get stolen, the engine will more than likely >>>>>>> seize and getting support from Kia/Huyndai is difficult at best
regardless of what they claim.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kia+engine+failure&t=newext&atb=v393-5&ia= >>>>>>> we b>
Electic cars catch fire!
Well, so do gas powered cars.
Never mind that, electric cars catch fire!
It's not about cars catching fire. It's about the type and severity of >>>>> the fire and how difficult it is to extinguish as the chemical
reactions within the lithium batteries tend to restart the fire.
That's why the fire department has to remain at the scene for hours
after one of these incidents.
In NYC you will see signs outside of garages that say something like >>>>> "EV vehicles not permitted". One reason is the risk of fire. The other >>>>> reason is the weight of the cars and that many of these garages, very >>>>> old construction, cannot handle the weight of many of these cars at
once. Other, newer garages do offer charging stations however I have >>>>> never seen a sign prohibiting an ice vehicle as long as it meets the >>>>> height requirements.
In time this will change but for now it's yet another disadvantage of >>>>> owning an EV.
BEVs weigh a lot more because of the battery.
They go through brakes faster.
Tires are much more expensive and tend to wear faster.
Fools are putting them in self-driving mode in heavy traffic.
It was laughable seeing all the BEVs stranded in the mountains because >>>> of
poor battery performance in the cold and not enough changing stations
to
go around.
And further unlike an ICE were some friendly driver can come by and pour >>>a
couple of gallons into your tank to get you to the next station. When an >>>EV
dies... it's there to stay.. until you can get a tow truck,... not not >>>just
any tow truck.. to come along, or you somehow manage to find someone able >>>to
bring some sort of charging rig to wherever you are stranded.
The market will change as penetration increases. Eventually tow trucks
will catch on to
having fast charge systems on their trucks and quick charges of 20-40
miles can be done in
5 minutes.
Swill
They already exist as AAA announced tow trucks equipped with chargers
which ironically are powered
my CNG which is compressed natural gas.
<https://info.oregon.aaa.com/aaa-unveils-tow-truck-capabale-of-electric-vehicle-charging/>
The market will change as penetration increases. Eventually tow trucks will catch on to
having fast charge systems on their trucks and quick charges of 20-40 miles can be done in
5 minutes.
Swill
They already exist as AAA announced tow trucks equipped with chargers which ironically are powered
my CNG which is compressed natural gas.
<https://info.oregon.aaa.com/aaa-unveils-tow-truck-capabale-of-electric-vehicle-charging/>
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