• The Trump prosecutors have a grand jury problem. Where are the defense

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 21:05:02 2023
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    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as I
    can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat or, for that
    matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges against President
    Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a capital,
    or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a
    grand jury …" Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C., grand
    jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes that occurred
    in Florida in the so-called documents case, clearly using the wrong
    venue in violation of specific DOJ policy, and then hastily moved the
    case to a grand jury in Florida?

    The protection afforded by a fair grand jury proceeding dates back many centuries to the Magna Carta and was prominently implemented by British
    and American courts applying Blackstone's legal doctrines. The notion
    that any grand jury would indict a ham sandwich refers to the usual
    adoption by grand juries of evidence presented by a prosecutor. It
    should not eradicate a right that was deemed important enough to be
    included in the Bill of Rights. The public and the courts must realize
    that these are accusations crafted and made by the individual
    prosecutors and not the result of deliberations and subsequent
    decisions by a group of ordinary citizens.

    Since the Florida grand jurors did not hear the testimony presented to
    the D.C. grand jury, exactly what did they hear or see to charge the
    former president and the other defendants? Was the D.C. testimony read
    to them? What were they instructed about the D.C. testimony? Were they
    asked whether they had any questions for the witnesses who testified?
    Were they instructed on the need to find probable cause as to each of
    the defendants? Were they instructed on the law?

    The customary procedure in cases of obvious crimes is just to submit an indictment drafted by the prosecutor to the grand jurors and ask them
    to vote up or down. When the charges are not about an obvious crime and
    are instead much more complex, such as in the so-called documents case,
    the constitutional right to be indicted by a grand jury must require
    more than that. Indeed, the D.C. grand jury met for many months, heard
    from many scores of witnesses, and was presumably provided with an
    enormous amount of "evidence" presented to it by the government.

    We already know from the subsequent public record in the court
    proceedings in Florida that what the government has turned over to the defendants consists of over 1 million documents and nine months of
    videotape, which will be used in whole or part during the trial.

    From that, plus the complexity of the law in this matter, the fact that
    it is a case of first impression, and there are numerous legal and constitutional issues associated with using the Espionage Act against a
    former president, the Florida grand jury, not having the benefit of
    seeing and hearing first-hand any of the witnesses, etc., the
    government would have been required to ensure that, in fact, the
    Florida grand jury, and not the government, indicted the former
    president based on probable cause, a requisite for each of the nearly
    40 counts.

    Although the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (Rule 6) impose a
    secrecy requirement on federal grand jurors, the judge should, now that
    the indictment has been returned, permit defense counsel to interview
    the grand jurors and release them from any secrecy obligation. That is
    the only way to discover, before the defendants are forced to a trial,
    whether the Fifth Amendment’s obligation has been satisfied. And,
    again, given how Smith used the D.C. venue and a D.C. grand jury to
    conduct his very extensive investigation on matters related almost
    exclusively to events in Florida, this is an especially important
    issue.

    In all four cases involving the indictment of President Trump, the
    media have repeatedly reported that Trump has "been indicted by a grand
    jury." The real question is whether the grand juries truly deliberated
    or simply went through the motions at the direction of the prosecution.
    Did a majority vote to accuse Trump and all his co-defendants of the
    complex crimes alleged in the indictments or was this window dressing
    for what happened in these secret proceedings?

    Another obvious example is the case in Georgia. The indictment is 98
    pages in length and involves over 40 charges. Moreover, in addition to
    the individual charges, an umbrella charge of a grand conspiracy, that
    is a so-called RICO charge, is alleged, involving up to 19 co-
    conspirators, including the former president.

    This is an extraordinarily complicated factual and legal indictment,
    putting aside the obvious substantive weaknesses of the case. And in
    this case, like the federal documents case, the prosecution has much to
    answer for. Recall that on the day the grand jury was to meet to vote
    on whether to indict, the actual indictment was published by the court
    clerk on the official website – before the grand jury had even met or
    voted.

    Later that day, D.A. Fani Willis held a press conference playing up the
    fact that the 19 defendants who were accused had been charged by named
    ordinary citizens of the grand jury, although under Georgia law she
    could have filed the charges without a grand jury endorsing them. Since
    she claimed the indictment was the work of the grand jury, the question
    is whether, in fact, it was.

    From the moment the indictment was posted on the clerk’s official
    website that morning, Willis moved at a frenzied pace to get an
    indictment that night.

    Exactly what happened in the grand jury room? What kind of
    deliberations occurred? Again, the issue is probable cause and whether
    the defendants’ due process rights were abridged.

    In Georgia, the grand jurors are free to publicly speak. We saw that
    earlier when, in a prior investigative grand jury, the foreman went on television after its proceedings concluded and would not stop talking
    about what had occurred among grand jurors, and she did so gleefully.
    It should not be difficult for defense counsel to get to the bottom of
    what occurred.

    In the Manhattan case, when D.A. Alvin Bragg officially filed his
    indictment, he accompanied it with a prosecutor’s statement that the
    media accepted as part of "the grand jury indictment." It was certainly presented that way. The question is whether the grand jurors actually
    voted on it.

    New York imposes a secrecy requirement on grand jurors, but that
    requirement makes sense while the grand jury is considering criminal
    charges. Should it apply to prevent disclosure of how the prosecutor
    instructed the grand jury on the law and to discover whether the grand
    jurors did, in fact, consider whether there was probable cause to make
    the criminal allegations? And was Bragg’s accompanied statement part of
    the proceedings?

    Finally, in the second federal case supposedly involving Jan. 6,
    President Trump is not charged with insurrection or sedition, yet when
    the special counsel, Jack Smith, made his remarks announcing the
    indictment, nearly half of his statement had no relevance to the
    charges brought by the grand jury. He said, in part:

    The indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the
    District of Columbia and sets forth the crimes charged in detail. I
    encourage everyone to read it in full. The attack on our nation’s
    capital on January 6, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy. As described in the indictment, it was fueled by
    lies. Lies by the defendant targeted at obstructing a bedrock function
    of the U.S. government, the nation’s process of collecting, counting,
    and certifying the results of the presidential election. The men and
    women of law enforcement who defended the U.S. Capitol on January 6 are
    heroes. They’re patriots, and they are the very best of us. They did
    not just defend a building or the people sheltering in it. They put
    their lives on the line to defend who we are as a country and as a
    people. They defended the very institutions and principles that define
    the United States.

    Again, this is a wide-ranging public condemnation of the former
    president, in which Smith all but accuses the former president of
    insurrection and sedition, for which he was not charged. Indeed, the
    charges are based on the 1871 Ku Klux Klan law, the post-Enron statute,
    and a financial fraud law that is used mostly in cases where
    contractors and others swindle the federal government.

    Exactly what information was presented to the grand jury and what did
    Smith tell the grand jurors when they were urged to charge the former president? Did Smith use arguments about insurrection and sedition to
    persuade the grand jurors to vote for these other charges? This is a
    critical point. It appears that Smith played fast and loose with the
    law and the facts, which does not meet the requirements for bringing
    charges that meet the probable cause standard.

    The grand jury process is intended to protect an individual’s due
    process rights. Indictments are to be brought by ordinary citizens
    sitting as jurors. The government is to provide the jurors with
    witnesses, information and an explanation of the relevant law, so that
    the citizen jurors are making their decisions based on a true, accurate
    and honest presentment. When this process is violated by politically
    motivated prosecutors, as with Bragg and Willis, or a prosecutor with a
    long record of abusing the criminal justice system, as with Smith, it
    is especially important that the Fifth Amendment not be abused and
    violated, and used not to protect an individual but as a cudgel by the government intended to imprison their targets.

    It is relevant to note that all three prosecutors had the grand juries
    vote smack in the middle of a presidential election, and all have
    demanded trials within months of the indictments – that is, for maximum political damage to candidate Trump, and maximum political benefit to
    candidate Biden.

    The use of these grand juries, where there is obvious evidence of
    chicanery by these prosecutors, must be scrutinized at the front end of
    these various cases. Thus, the question I have is: Where the heck are
    the attorneys representing President Trump and the other defendants?
    Why do they seem so passive in the face of potential grand jury abuses
    and, frankly, other government misconduct?

    This juncture of the process is highly significant. In fact, the
    Supreme Court has held that the defendant loses any right to challenge
    the grand jury process, at least at the federal level, once a trial is
    held on the indictment.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Sep 5 14:22:33 2023
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    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as I
    can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat or, for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges against President
    Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a capital,
    or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a
    grand jury …"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C., grand
    jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes that occurred
    in Florida in the so-called documents case, clearly using the wrong
    venue in violation of specific DOJ policy, and then hastily moved the
    case to a grand jury in Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

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  • From Johnny@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Tue Sep 5 09:26:00 2023
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    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:22:33 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as
    I can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat or,
    for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges
    against President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a
    capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
    indictment of a grand jury _"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C.,
    grand jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes that occurred in Florida in the so-called documents case, clearly using
    the wrong venue in violation of specific DOJ policy, and then
    hastily moved the case to a grand jury in Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

    A DC jury indicted him. Why?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Johnny on Tue Sep 5 14:32:06 2023
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    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20230905092600.46c73da8@mx:

    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:22:33 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
    news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as
    I can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat or,
    for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges
    against President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a
    capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
    indictment of a grand jury _"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C.,
    grand jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes that
    occurred in Florida in the so-called documents case, clearly using
    the wrong venue in violation of specific DOJ policy, and then
    hastily moved the case to a grand jury in Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

    A DC jury indicted him. Why?



    For the crime that happened in DC.

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  • From Johnny@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Tue Sep 5 09:38:36 2023
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    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:32:06 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20230905092600.46c73da8@mx:

    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:22:33 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
    news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best
    as I can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat
    or, for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges
    against President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a
    capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
    indictment of a grand jury _"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C.,
    grand jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes
    that occurred in Florida in the so-called documents case,
    clearly using the wrong venue in violation of specific DOJ
    policy, and then hastily moved the case to a grand jury in
    Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

    A DC jury indicted him. Why?



    For the crime that happened in DC.

    There was no crime in DC. He was indicted for the documents case that
    happened in Florida.

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  • From OrigInfoJunkie@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Sep 5 07:46:39 2023
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    On 8/31/2023 6:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as I
    can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat or, for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges against President
    Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a capital,
    or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a
    grand jury …" Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C., grand
    jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes that occurred
    in Florida in the so-called documents case, clearly using the wrong
    venue in violation of specific DOJ policy, and then hastily moved the
    case to a grand jury in Florida?

    I don't know from where this asshole plagiarized this bullshit, as there is no attribution and no link. I know this asshole didn't write it himself.

    There is nothing wrong with the DC grand jury starting the investigation and the
    Florida grand jury finishing it. The *theft* of the documents occurred in DC, and the *refusal* to return them and the *obstruction* occurred in Florida. Everything was properly done.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Johnny on Tue Sep 5 08:01:06 2023
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    On 9/5/2023 7:26 AM, Johnny wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:22:33 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
    news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as
    I can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat or,
    for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges
    against President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a
    capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
    indictment of a grand jury _"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C.,
    grand jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes that
    occurred in Florida in the so-called documents case, clearly using
    the wrong venue in violation of specific DOJ policy, and then
    hastily moved the case to a grand jury in Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

    A DC jury indicted him. Why?

    That's a lie, "Johnny-the-fuckwit" Trump was indicted in this matter by the Florida grand jury. The DC grand jury was involved in the investigation because
    DC is where the *theft* of the documents occurred, and is where the documents belong.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Sep 5 08:18:06 2023
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    On 8/31/2023 6:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best as I
    can tell, [dump the remainder of this plagiarized bullshit]

    Where did this bullshit originate? Oh, yeah: Mark Levin at foxnews.com. In other words, it is worthless bullshit from start to finish. Levin has even lower standing than that media whore Turley, and that's pretty fucking low.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Johnny on Tue Sep 5 15:34:27 2023
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    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20230905093836.01f3e275@mx:

    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:32:06 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20230905092600.46c73da8@mx:

    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:22:33 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
    news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best
    as I can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat
    or, for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges
    against President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a
    capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
    indictment of a grand jury _"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C.,
    grand jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes
    that occurred in Florida in the so-called documents case,
    clearly using the wrong venue in violation of specific DOJ
    policy, and then hastily moved the case to a grand jury in
    Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

    A DC jury indicted him. Why?



    For the crime that happened in DC.

    There was no crime in DC.



    Except for the Jan 6 insurrection thing.......




    Trump indicted on Jan. 6 charges
    08/01/23

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4131995-trump-indicted-on- jan-6-charges/

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  • From Bill Litchfield@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Tue Sep 5 08:41:17 2023
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    On 9/5/2023 8:34 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20230905093836.01f3e275@mx:

    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:32:06 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20230905092600.46c73da8@mx:

    On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:22:33 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
    news:NuOdnWPILZ6YbGv5nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com:

    Let me address a very important and timely matter that, as best
    as I can tell, has not been addressed by the legal commentariat
    or, for that matter, defense counsel in the wide-ranging charges
    against President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

    The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in
    pertinent part, that "No person shall be held to answer for a
    capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
    indictment of a grand jury _"



    You are forgetting the 6th Amendment.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
    trial, by an impartial jury -----> of the State
    and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed <-------


    The documnents crime happened in Florida,
    it was indicted in Florida, it will be tried
    in Florida.





    Is that what happened when Special Counsel Jack Smith
    and the Biden Department of Justice used the Washington, D.C.,
    grand jury to charge former President Trump for alleged crimes
    that occurred in Florida in the so-called documents case,
    clearly using the wrong venue in violation of specific DOJ
    policy, and then hastily moved the case to a grand jury in
    Florida?


    Would Trump rather have the case heard
    by a DC jury?

    A DC jury indicted him. Why?



    For the crime that happened in DC.

    There was no crime in DC.



    Except for the Jan 6 insurrection thing.......

    We're talking about the documents case, not the insurrection. There *was* a documents crime in DC — Trump's initial *theft* of the documents — but it hasn't
    been charged and probably will not be. I think it should be, but the refusal to
    return the *stolen* documents, plus the obstruction in Florida, are serious enough, and Trump will likely be convicted.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Johnny on Tue Sep 5 09:20:25 2023
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    Johnny wrote:
    There was no crime in DC. He was indicted for the documents case that happened in Florida.


    Separation of power. Courts have very little to say about how the
    DoJ proceeds until it impacts a person as detailed in the Bill of
    Rights.

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