• Whether 14th Amendment applies to Trump depends on 3 eligibility questi

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    A House Democrat says the 14th Amendment bars Trump from becoming president again, if elected. But law experts say there are three key points to answer first.

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    WASHINGTON — In the hours after the unsealing of the newest federal charges against the former president, Google search data shows inquiries about
    "section 3 of the 14th Amendment" have skyrocketed. The 14th Amendment was
    also trending on Twitter following Donald Trump’s announcement that he would
    be running for president again in 2024, with people claiming the
    constitutional amendment could keep the former president from serving in
    office again.

    House Democrat Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) also sent a letter to colleagues asking them to join him in sponsoring legislation that disqualifies Trump
    from the presidency because of the 14th Amendment. The letter was sent in
    full to VERIFY by Cicilline’s office.

    Cicilline referenced Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, otherwise known as the “Insurrection Clause.” Cicilline says Trump “engaged in insurrection on Jan.
    6 with the intention of overturning the lawful 2020 election results.” His legislation, he wrote, “would prevent Trump from holding public office again under the Fourteenth Amendment.”

    VERIFY viewer David emailed us to ask if the 14th Amendment would keep Trump from office.

    THE QUESTION
    Does the insurrection clause in the 14th Amendment apply to Donald Trump?

    THE SOURCES:
    • Letter to colleagues from Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.)

    • Section 3 of the 14th Amendment

    • Doron M. Kalir, clinical professor of law at Cleveland-Marshall College
    of Law

    • Robert S. Peck, founder and president of the Center for Constitutional
    Litigation

    • Opinion of Supreme Court Justice John Roberts in Free Enterprise Fund v.
    Public Company Accounting Oversight Bd., 561 U.S. 477 (2010)

    THE ANSWER
    This needs context.
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    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment dates back to the Civil War. The intention
    was to prevent the president from allowing former leaders of the Confederacy, who engaged in rebellion against the U.S., from holding office after they
    were granted presidential pardons.

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    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment reads as follows:

    “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
    of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military,
    under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously
    taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
    States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or
    judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United
    States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
    same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may,
    by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

    In plain language, this generally means that someone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” can’t hold certain public offices.

    But several legal experts argue this probably doesn’t apply to Trump. They point to three eligibility questions:

    1) Did Trump’s conduct amount to engaging in an insurrection?
    2) Who does this apply to in government?
    3) Is the president considered “an officer of the United States”?

    We’ll go through the answers to these questions individually.

    Did Trump’s conduct amount to engaging in an insurrection?

    Robert S. Peck, founder and president of the Center for Constitutional Litigation, told VERIFY in an email the issue “becomes whether Donald Trump engaged in the forbidden conduct.” It would be up to Congress to determine if he is guilty of participating in an insurrection.

    If Congress did find Trump guilty of engaging in an insurrection, that
    finding could ultimately result in a disqualification from holding office.
    But constitutional law experts say Trump would likely file a lawsuit to challenge the validity of those accusations.

    “At issue in the lawsuit would be whether his actions qualified as engaging
    in insurrection or rebellion or giving aid or comfort to enemies of the Constitution. Because we have no precedent for how a court would approach
    that issue, one would expect that the evidence gathered by the January 6th Committee and by the Justice Department would be aired in court with judges deciding whether it is sufficient to invoke the Fourteenth Amendment,” Peck said.

    This is the first factor to consider – can it be proven that Trump actually
    did engage in an insurrection or rebellion?

    Who does the section apply to in government?

    Doron Kalir, clinical professor of law at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law, told VERIFY as presently written and as he interprets it, the highest office this section would apply to is a senator. Kalir said the section says the
    rules apply to people in the following positions:

    • a senator or representative in Congress, or an elector of president and
    vice president
    • an officer in any civil or military position
    • A person who holds any office, civilian or military
    • A person who has taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer
    of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature

    Kalir says as it’s interpreted, the president does not hold an official
    station within the U.S. military despite the title of “commander in chief” – that is not a rank within the U.S. military but gives the president authority to preside over some military operations. The president is also not
    considered a civilian.

    “So there is very strong support to the hypothesis that Donald Trump is not included in the list of persons on whom this will apply,” Kalir said.

    Is the president considered “an officer of the United States”?

    Though “president” is never specified in the section, “officers of the United States” are.

    “The question is whether the former president may be considered an officer of the United States for purposes of Section 3, Article 14. There is no
    certified answer by the United States Supreme Court for this question,” Kalir told VERIFY.

    But, Kalir said the Supreme Court has spoken on this topic before. In 2010, Chief Justice John Roberts issued an opinion in the case of the Free
    Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, which spoke directly to whether the president is considered an officer.

    Roberts said, “The people do not vote for the ‘officers of the United
    States.’ Rather, ‘officers of the United States’ are appointed exclusively pursuant to Article II, Section 2 procedures. It follows that the President, who is an elected official, is not an ‘officer of the United States.’”

    In other words, only people in appointed positions are considered officers, Roberts said. Since the president is not appointed, he wouldn’t be considered an officer, according to the opinion.

    It's important to note that there is no precedent as to whether this applies
    to the president or a former president. So this would need to be argued in court.

    Kalir said all of these eligibility requirements would likely be answered
    well ahead of the November 2024 elections if Trump ends up on the ballot.

    “I can assure you that every federal court that would look at it from a district court level through the Court of Appeals, and all the way up to the United States Supreme Court … In 2024, there will be clarity as to the constitutional eligibility of Donald Trump for running,” Kalir said. “There will be no doubt by the time 2024 is upon us - What is the eligibility according to the Constitution?”

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