I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to
CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and they
play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just like a
pressed CD. I had always assumed you could copy mp3s the same way to DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a PC running RythmBox.
But alas they don't work that way. Note: I have an old stereo that can
play CDs full of mp3s and also play a DVD movie on a television - but it can't read a DVD of mp3s.
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of figuring
it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and navigate the
data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the same
as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can get VLC
to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
TIA Bill S.
Because they weren't written to expect a DVD full of *mp3 data forEverything I have can do bluetooth from my PC where all the actual music resides. I'm doing this CD/DVD stuff just for fun and old time sake. But
whatever reason or other. As I recall, by the time DVDs became "cost-effective" in terms of that use, other media types (USB, SD Card,
etc) were becoming available too (and pretty close to parity on price
pretty quickly
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to
CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and they
play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just like a
[...]
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of figuring
it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and navigate the
data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the same
as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed to do it.
But
it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
Terabyte USB or SD cards for that price sounds like a swindle.
Most of the very cheap memory cards are Not of the Advertised
Capacity
But it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
Is it a shame ?
It's all very well being "nice" but the brutal truth is that the
industry has not worked out any way to deliver high quality audio to the
mass market since the introduction of CDs in the late 70s - or arguably
since "dynagroove" vinyl in the 50s.
The DVD has turned out to be a dead end as far as audio is concernedTerabyte USB or SD cards for that price sounds like a swindle.
(apart from a vanishingly small number of DVD audio titles available at around £75 a pop) and the ability to deliver video at slightly better quality than the awful VHS players which we had before isn't actually
much of a recommendation.
In a market landscape where 1TB USB sticks can be found for not much
more than £5 I would say that optical drives are already "legacy"
Because they weren't written to expect a DVD full of *mp3 data forEverything I have can do bluetooth from my PC where all the actual music resides. I'm doing this CD/DVD stuff just for fun and old time sake. But it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
whatever reason or other. As I recall, by the time DVDs became
"cost-effective" in terms of that use, other media types (USB, SD Card,
etc) were becoming available too (and pretty close to parity on price
pretty quickly
But it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
Is it a shame ?
It's all very well being "nice" but the brutal truth is that the
industry has not worked out any way to deliver high quality audio to the
mass market since the introduction of CDs in the late 70s - or arguably
since "dynagroove" vinyl in the 50s.
The DVD has turned out to be a dead end as far as audio is concerned
(apart from a vanishingly small number of DVD audio titles available at around £75 a pop) and the ability to deliver video at slightly better quality than the awful VHS players which we had before isn't actually
much of a recommendation.
In a market landscape where 1TB USB sticks can be found for not much
more than £5 I would say that optical drives are already "legacy"
On 1/21/2022 11:25 PM, bilsch01 wrote:
Because they weren't written to expect a DVD full of *mp3 data forEverything I have can do bluetooth from my PC where all the actual
whatever reason or other. As I recall, by the time DVDs became
"cost-effective" in terms of that use, other media types (USB, SD Card,
etc) were becoming available too (and pretty close to parity on price
pretty quickly
music resides. I'm doing this CD/DVD stuff just for fun and old time
sake. But it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
There are ways of making DVDs full of tunes.
There is mention here, of 9 groups of 99 songs, or 891 tracks max.
That suggests, the group of 99 songs is a "CD" in a sense (the
CD had a 99 track limit), and the groups are some sort of
multi-session recording method. To get a standalone DVD player to
"change from one group to another", requires pressing two buttons simultaneously on the front of the player box.
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/minnetonka-discwelder-steel
The software is quite dire. One free offering was made by someone
and served from their rental web server. But there is no archive.org
copy of the kit of parts, to make your own DVDs, and the original
site is gone. And every scrap of the materials have been
removed from the Internet by some diligent individual.
So if you want to experiment with putting audio tracks into
a Video_TS folder on a DVD, or you want to make one of these
whizzy 891 track things, you are mostly on your own.
Paul
By the way, I'm using program K3B for burning CDs and DVDs.
On 1/22/22 08:24, Paul wrote:
On 1/21/2022 11:25 PM, bilsch01 wrote:
Because they weren't written to expect a DVD full of *mp3 data forEverything I have can do bluetooth from my PC where all the actual
whatever reason or other. As I recall, by the time DVDs became
"cost-effective" in terms of that use, other media types (USB, SD Card, >>>> etc) were becoming available too (and pretty close to parity on price
pretty quickly
music resides. I'm doing this CD/DVD stuff just for fun and old time
sake. But it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
There are ways of making DVDs full of tunes.
There is mention here, of 9 groups of 99 songs, or 891 tracks max.
That suggests, the group of 99 songs is a "CD" in a sense (the
CD had a 99 track limit), and the groups are some sort of
multi-session recording method. To get a standalone DVD player to
"change from one group to another", requires pressing two buttons
simultaneously on the front of the player box.
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/minnetonka-discwelder-steel
The software is quite dire. One free offering was made by someone
and served from their rental web server. But there is no archive.org
copy of the kit of parts, to make your own DVDs, and the original
site is gone. And every scrap of the materials have been
removed from the Internet by some diligent individual.
So if you want to experiment with putting audio tracks into
a Video_TS folder on a DVD, or you want to make one of these
whizzy 891 track things, you are mostly on your own.
Paul
Thanks for info about discwelder. I may look into it. At the moment I'm trying linux ubuntu solutions. You always post good, valuable
information. Thanks.
99 tracks is plenty enough for most ideas I have. However, one of my "desirements" is to use only DVD media for everything I do - not to keep
both DVD and CD in supply. Apparently that convenience isn't possible. Apparently discwelder would work towards that.
Yesterday, just for the hell of it, I tried K3B's "burn video dvd"
option with some mp3 files in "Video_TS" or "Audio_TS" folder but k3b
didn't like those ideas and refused to burn the disc. Maybe that idea
works if I use some other burning software than k3b. I actually know
nothing about how video DVDs work. Actually I did know how CD formats
worked, but I've forgotten most of that.
Try IMGBURN (google).
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to
CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and they
play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just like a
pressed CD. I had always assumed you could copy mp3s the same way to DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a PC running RythmBox.
But alas they don't work that way. Note: I have an old stereo that can
play CDs full of mp3s and also play a DVD movie on a television - but it can't read a DVD of mp3s.
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of figuring
it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and navigate the
data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the same
as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can get VLC
to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
On 1/22/22 04:41, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
But it's a shame CD and DVD are gone. They were so nice.
Is it a shame ?
It's all very well being "nice" but the brutal truth is that the
industry has not worked out any way to deliver high quality audio to the
mass market since the introduction of CDs in the late 70s - or arguably
since "dynagroove" vinyl in the 50s.
The DVD has turned out to be a dead end as far as audio is concerned
(apart from a vanishingly small number of DVD audio titles available at
around £75 a pop) and the ability to deliver video at slightly better
quality than the awful VHS players which we had before isn't actually
much of a recommendation.
In a market landscape where 1TB USB sticks can be found for not much
more than £5 I would say that optical drives are already "legacy"
Optical disks are nice physical size and shape: easy to handle and lay around. You can write on them with a sharpie and read what the printing
(or label) says. Some people appreciate such features. Music and movies
still available retail, and existing will be around a while. Smaller
data capacity is appropriate for some things.
On 22/01/2022 03:54, bilsch01 wrote:
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to
CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and they
play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just like a
pressed CD. I had always assumed you could copy mp3s the same way to
DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a PC running
RythmBox. But alas they don't work that way. Note: I have an old
stereo that can play CDs full of mp3s and also play a DVD movie on a
television - but it can't read a DVD of mp3s.
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of
figuring it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and
navigate the data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the same
as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can get
VLC to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
There are many flavours of writeable DVD and readers often one support 1
or 2 types. What type of DVD are you using and do you have other options
to try? IIRC DVD+R was the most compatible type.
On 1/24/22 04:46, Chris wrote:
On 22/01/2022 03:54, bilsch01 wrote:
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to
CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and they
play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just like a
pressed CD. I had always assumed you could copy mp3s the same way to
DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a PC running
RythmBox. But alas they don't work that way. Note: I have an old
stereo that can play CDs full of mp3s and also play a DVD movie on a
television - but it can't read a DVD of mp3s.
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of
figuring it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and
navigate the data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the
same as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed
to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can get
VLC to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
There are many flavours of writeable DVD and readers often one support
1 or 2 types. What type of DVD are you using and do you have other
options to try? IIRC DVD+R was the most compatible type.
I've tried both DVD-R and DVD+R media. Not doing any RE-writable media.
Players and/or player programs have trouble playing mp3 files written directly to DVD discs (note: on the other hand, mp3s written directly to
CD discs play fine on machines I've tried). RythmBox doesn't even
acknowledge a DVD disc.
On 24/01/2022 15:16, bilsch01 wrote:copy mp3s the same way to DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a PC running RythmBox. But alas they don't work that way. Note: I have an old stereo that can play CDs full of mp3s and also play a DVD movie on a television - but it can't
On 1/24/22 04:46, Chris wrote:
On 22/01/2022 03:54, bilsch01 wrote:
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and they play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just like a pressed CD. I had always assumed you could
the mp3 files?
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of figuring it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and navigate the data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the same as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can get VLC to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
There are many flavours of writeable DVD and readers often one support 1 or 2 types. What type of DVD are you using and do you have other options to try? IIRC DVD+R was the most compatible type.
I've tried both DVD-R and DVD+R media. Not doing any RE-writable media.
Players and/or player programs have trouble playing mp3 files written directly to DVD discs (note: on the other hand, mp3s written directly to CD discs play fine on machines I've tried). RythmBox doesn't even acknowledge a DVD disc.
That sounds like a hardware issue. Is optical media drive compatible with DVDs? How does the desktop/filemanager represent the disc when inserted? If it is able to mount hte DVD volume and show the file system what happens if you double-click one of
On 24/01/2022 15:16, bilsch01 wrote:
On 1/24/22 04:46, Chris wrote:
On 22/01/2022 03:54, bilsch01 wrote:
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly to
CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and
they play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just
like a pressed CD. I had always assumed you could copy mp3s the same
way to DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a PC
running RythmBox. But alas they don't work that way. Note: I have an
old stereo that can play CDs full of mp3s and also play a DVD movie
on a television - but it can't read a DVD of mp3s.
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of
figuring it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and
navigate the data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the
same as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't designed
to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can get
VLC to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
There are many flavours of writeable DVD and readers often one
support 1 or 2 types. What type of DVD are you using and do you have
other options to try? IIRC DVD+R was the most compatible type.
I've tried both DVD-R and DVD+R media. Not doing any RE-writable media.
Players and/or player programs have trouble playing mp3 files written
directly to DVD discs (note: on the other hand, mp3s written directly
to CD discs play fine on machines I've tried). RythmBox doesn't even
acknowledge a DVD disc.
That sounds like a hardware issue. Is optical media drive compatible
with DVDs? How does the desktop/filemanager represent the disc when
inserted? If it is able to mount hte DVD volume and show the file system
what happens if you double-click one of the mp3 files?
On 1/24/22 08:59, Chris wrote:
On 24/01/2022 15:16, bilsch01 wrote:
On 1/24/22 04:46, Chris wrote:
On 22/01/2022 03:54, bilsch01 wrote:
I was so happy when I discovered you can write mp3 files directly
to CD's and not do "CD Audio" tracks. They play in home stereos and
they play on the PC using a program like RythmBox. They play just
like a pressed CD. I had always assumed you could copy mp3s the
same way to DVD media and the DVDs would work in stereos and on a
PC running RythmBox. But alas they don't work that way. Note: I
have an old stereo that can play CDs full of mp3s and also play a
DVD movie on a television - but it can't read a DVD of mp3s.
Just how is it that you can do it with CD media and it works like a
pressed CD? Apparently the stereo or RythmBox PC is capable of
figuring it out and using appropriate subprograms to interpret and
navigate the data files (mp3s) or CD Audio tracks.
So why can't a stereo or a RythmBox PC handle a DVD with MP3s the
same as a CD? Apparently the machines I'm using just aren't
designed to do it.
Yes, I can get individual mp3s to play, but its not slick. I can
get VLC to play the DVD of mp3s, but its a lot of work.
There are many flavours of writeable DVD and readers often one
support 1 or 2 types. What type of DVD are you using and do you have
other options to try? IIRC DVD+R was the most compatible type.
I've tried both DVD-R and DVD+R media. Not doing any RE-writable media.
Players and/or player programs have trouble playing mp3 files written
directly to DVD discs (note: on the other hand, mp3s written directly
to CD discs play fine on machines I've tried). RythmBox doesn't even
acknowledge a DVD disc.
That sounds like a hardware issue. Is optical media drive compatible
with DVDs? How does the desktop/filemanager represent the disc when
inserted? If it is able to mount hte DVD volume and show the file
system what happens if you double-click one of the mp3 files?
Click an individual mp3 file, it plays in some situations but does not advance to the next track when the present track is finished,
nor can
you go to next or previous track by clicking buttons.
In Windows using VLC I found a way to play the mp3 files consecutively
but the method was contrived and it was a lot of work to do it - not
very useful.
My objective in this investigation was to find capability of using DVD
media to "distribute" music tracks OR movies. So you don't need CD
media. It can't be done in a practical way - is what I have found. I assumed it would be easy.
Thanks everyone for your help for understanding this.
The two home stereos I have here display a message like "cant read disc".
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