• Backups not showing

    From Paul@21:1/5 to RobH on Mon Jul 12 16:37:54 2021
    RobH wrote:
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem a program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose the
    date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window, so I
    tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and
    there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.

    How does the tool store the "address" of the NAS ?

    Do you use DHCP ?

    My DHCP here is quite stable, and the machine I'm typing
    on has had the same IP address for years. This means, even
    if the router power is cycled, it still figures it all out.

    You could watch, using Wireshark, and see where the
    client tries to reach during the restore.

    Normally, this is why OSes have nameserving systems,
    so that IP addresses are not used for identification, and
    a symbolic address is translated to the correct IP address
    on the fly.

    Alternately, you could assign a static address, outside the
    normal DHCP range, to the NAS box. Then, if you made a backup
    five years ago, the address is static and exactly the same today.

    Summary: You need to identify how the NAS is mounted or identified,
    and make sure the identification method is bulletproof.
    A wireshark trace, may show errant references to "nothing".
    To IP addresses that don't exist.

    And to be honest, computers really suck at this stuff.

    Just a guess,
    Paul

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 12 21:16:07 2021
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem a program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose the
    date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window, so I
    tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and
    there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Jul 12 23:17:21 2021
    On 12/07/2021 21:37, Paul wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem
    a program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose
    the date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window,
    so I tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and
    there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.

    How does the tool store the "address" of the NAS ?

    Do you use DHCP ?

    My DHCP here is quite stable, and the machine I'm typing
    on has had the same IP address for years. This means, even
    if the router power is cycled, it still figures it all out.

    You could watch, using Wireshark, and see where the
    client tries to reach during the restore.

    Normally, this is why OSes have nameserving systems,
    so that IP addresses are not used for identification, and
    a symbolic address is translated to the correct IP address
    on the fly.

    Alternately, you could assign a static address, outside the
    normal DHCP range, to the NAS box. Then, if you made a backup
    five years ago, the address is static and exactly the same today.

    Summary: You need to identify how the NAS is mounted or identified,
             and make sure the identification method is bulletproof.
             A wireshark trace, may show errant references to "nothing".
             To IP addresses that don't exist.

    And to be honest, computers really suck at this stuff.

    Just a guess,
       Paul

    Both the NAS and the computer I wanted to restore a backup to both have
    static ip addresses.

    The backup works fine and shows up un the NAS.
    Strangley tho' it is only 1 machine which exhibits this behaviour.
    2 other machines see the backup files.

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to RobH on Mon Jul 12 20:47:31 2021
    On 07/12/2021 01:16 PM, RobH wrote:
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem a program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose the
    date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window, so I
    tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and
    there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.



    You quite literally provide no relevant information.
    Don't mention which OS version(s).
    Don't say what your NAS server is or what protocol(s) it serves/shares.
    Don't even mention what program you're using to backup or restore.
    Yet we're supposed to help?

    <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to stepore on Tue Jul 13 08:55:38 2021
    On 13/07/2021 04:47, stepore wrote:
    On 07/12/2021 01:16 PM, RobH wrote:
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem a
    program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose the
    date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window, so I
    tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and
    there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.



    You quite literally provide no relevant information.
    Don't mention which OS version(s).
    Don't say what your NAS server is or what protocol(s) it serves/shares.
    Don't even mention what program you're using to backup or restore.
    Yet we're supposed to help?

    <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>

    Ok, on 3 machines there is Ubuntu 20.04.2
    On my NAS it os TrueNAS 12.0-U4, I have 1 pool just for backups for all
    3 machines

    The program I am using is the Deja Dup 40.7 Backup tool

    On 2 machines , when I open the said backupm tool, it shows a menu down
    the left hand side, but on the 3rd machine, there is no menu. It shows 2
    tabs on the top saying Overview and Restore.

    The Backup/Restore works just fine on the 2 machines which show a menu,
    because I have restored backups from my NAS server to the said machines.

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to RobH on Tue Jul 13 11:26:52 2021
    RobH wrote:
    On 13/07/2021 04:47, stepore wrote:
    On 07/12/2021 01:16 PM, RobH wrote:
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem a >>> program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose the
    date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window, so I
    tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and
    there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.



    You quite literally provide no relevant information.
    Don't mention which OS version(s).
    Don't say what your NAS server is or what protocol(s) it serves/shares.
    Don't even mention what program you're using to backup or restore.
    Yet we're supposed to help?

    <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>

    Ok, on 3 machines there is Ubuntu 20.04.2
    On my NAS it os TrueNAS 12.0-U4, I have 1 pool just for backups for all
    3 machines

    The program I am using is the Deja Dup 40.7 Backup tool

    On 2 machines , when I open the said backupm tool, it shows a menu down
    the left hand side, but on the 3rd machine, there is no menu. It shows 2
    tabs on the top saying Overview and Restore.

    The Backup/Restore works just fine on the 2 machines which show a menu, because I have restored backups from my NAS server to the said machines.


    Oooookay, and how is your client accessing the NAS in Deja Dup? As a
    samba share (I bet), or nfs? If the former can you see the shared
    directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in nautilus? If not, then you've
    mucked your samba settings again.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to Jonathan N. Little on Tue Jul 13 20:30:51 2021
    On 13/07/2021 16:26, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    On 13/07/2021 04:47, stepore wrote:
    On 07/12/2021 01:16 PM, RobH wrote:
    I backup my 3 ubuntu machines every week to my NAS server.
    Now I wanted to restore a backup from last week due to a minor problem a >>>> program was having.
    I opened up the backups tool and selected Restore, but when I chose the >>>> date to restore from, no files were showing in the restore window, so I >>>> tried other dates but again no files were showing.
    I then checked my NAS server tosee if there were any backup files, and >>>> there were, so why does the restore tool not see them.



    You quite literally provide no relevant information.
    Don't mention which OS version(s).
    Don't say what your NAS server is or what protocol(s) it serves/shares.
    Don't even mention what program you're using to backup or restore.
    Yet we're supposed to help?

    <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>

    Ok, on 3 machines there is Ubuntu 20.04.2
    On my NAS it os TrueNAS 12.0-U4, I have 1 pool just for backups for all
    3 machines

    The program I am using is the Deja Dup 40.7 Backup tool

    On 2 machines , when I open the said backupm tool, it shows a menu down
    the left hand side, but on the 3rd machine, there is no menu. It shows 2
    tabs on the top saying Overview and Restore.

    The Backup/Restore works just fine on the 2 machines which show a menu,
    because I have restored backups from my NAS server to the said machines.


    Oooookay, and how is your client accessing the NAS in Deja Dup? As a
    samba share (I bet), or nfs? If the former can you see the shared
    directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in nautilus? If not, then you've mucked your samba settings again.


    When I select 'preferences' in the backup tool I get a separate window
    up which shoos some basic information like Location, how long to keep
    backups for and schedule. Then when I click on location , another window
    comes up with 'Storage Location', 'Network Location' which is by samba,
    and then which folder to backup.
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in Nautilus

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to RobH on Wed Jul 14 19:45:59 2021
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your
    system log for deja errors

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to Jonathan N. Little on Thu Jul 15 09:00:15 2021
    On 15/07/2021 00:45, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your
    system log for deja errors


    Yes, I can see all the backup files from the said machine, and the
    latest ones being 13/07/2021

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to RobH on Thu Jul 15 10:51:04 2021
    On 15/07/2021 09:00, RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 00:45, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in
    Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your
    system log for deja errors


    Yes, I can see all the backup files from the said machine, and the
    latest ones being 13/07/2021

    I changed the backup location from my NAS server to Google drive. The
    backup was made without error or complaint, then when I tried the
    Restore option, no files were showing.

    So, the backup tool backs up the files to a location I choose, but after
    doing so, it can't see the files in it's restore function!!!

    Is it time to chose another backup tool.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to RobH on Thu Jul 15 13:39:26 2021
    RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 09:00, RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 00:45, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in
    Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your
    system log for deja errors


    Yes, I can see all the backup files from the said machine, and the
    latest ones being 13/07/2021

    I changed the backup location from my NAS server to Google drive. The
    backup was made without error or complaint, then when I tried the
    Restore option, no files were showing.

    So, the backup tool backs up the files to a location I choose, but after doing so, it can't see the files in it's restore function!!!

    Is it time to chose another backup tool.

    Are the files owned by your account ?

    For example, my backup set are owned by "bullwinkle" 600.

    197,584 duplicity-full-signatures.20210715T172925Z.sigtar.gz
    14,263 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.manifest
    5,901,215 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.vol1.difftar.gz

    That's because, on purpose, I started deja-dup without using sudo.
    To see what kind of trouble it could get into.

    Paul

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 15 19:23:21 2021
    On 15/07/2021 18:39, Paul wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 09:00, RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 00:45, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in
    Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your >>>> system log for deja errors


    Yes, I can see all the backup files from the said machine, and the
    latest ones being 13/07/2021

    I changed the backup location from my NAS server to Google drive. The
    backup was made without error or complaint, then when I tried the
    Restore option, no files were showing.

    So, the backup tool backs up the files to a location I choose, but
    after doing so, it can't see the files in it's restore function!!!

    Is it time to chose another backup tool.

    Are the files owned by your account ?

    For example, my backup set are owned by "bullwinkle" 600.

        197,584 duplicity-full-signatures.20210715T172925Z.sigtar.gz
         14,263 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.manifest
      5,901,215 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.vol1.difftar.gz

    That's because, on purpose, I started deja-dup without using sudo.
    To see what kind of trouble it could get into.

       Paul

    Yes the files are owned by my account if you mean on Google Drive.
    It was also the same when I backed them up to my NAS server.

    Also the files are owned and created by Me on the said ubuntu machine

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 15 14:24:24 2021
    Paul wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 09:00, RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 00:45, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in
    Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your >>>> system log for deja errors


    Yes, I can see all the backup files from the said machine, and the
    latest ones being 13/07/2021

    I changed the backup location from my NAS server to Google drive. The
    backup was made without error or complaint, then when I tried the
    Restore option, no files were showing.

    So, the backup tool backs up the files to a location I choose, but
    after doing so, it can't see the files in it's restore function!!!

    Is it time to chose another backup tool.

    Are the files owned by your account ?

    For example, my backup set are owned by "bullwinkle" 600.

        197,584 duplicity-full-signatures.20210715T172925Z.sigtar.gz
         14,263 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.manifest
      5,901,215 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.vol1.difftar.gz

    That's because, on purpose, I started deja-dup without using sudo.
    To see what kind of trouble it could get into.


    That was going to be my next guess. Easily fix with
    sudo chown -R USER:USER /WHATEVER/PATH/TO/BACKUP/IS/*

    But I don't use Deja, I have my own system.


    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to Jonathan N. Little on Thu Jul 15 20:54:59 2021
    On 15/07/2021 19:24, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 09:00, RobH wrote:
    On 15/07/2021 00:45, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    RobH wrote:
    Yes I can see the shared directory as defined in Deja Dup setup in >>>>>> Nautilus

    Well in Nautilus do you see anything there? If not time to filter your >>>>> system log for deja errors


    Yes, I can see all the backup files from the said machine, and the
    latest ones being 13/07/2021

    I changed the backup location from my NAS server to Google drive. The
    backup was made without error or complaint, then when I tried the
    Restore option, no files were showing.

    So, the backup tool backs up the files to a location I choose, but
    after doing so, it can't see the files in it's restore function!!!

    Is it time to chose another backup tool.

    Are the files owned by your account ?

    For example, my backup set are owned by "bullwinkle" 600.

        197,584 duplicity-full-signatures.20210715T172925Z.sigtar.gz
         14,263 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.manifest
      5,901,215 duplicity-full.20210715T172925Z.vol1.difftar.gz

    That's because, on purpose, I started deja-dup without using sudo.
    To see what kind of trouble it could get into.


    That was going to be my next guess. Easily fix with
    sudo chown -R USER:USER /WHATEVER/PATH/TO/BACKUP/IS/*

    But I don't use Deja, I have my own system.



    Ok, thanks, I'll do that, but on the 2 other machines it just works fine
    both ways.

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to RobH on Fri Jul 16 11:56:47 2021
    RobH wrote:
    Ok, thanks, I'll do that, but on the 2 other machines it just works fine
    both ways.

    Maybe on those you didn't run deja with sudo...

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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