• Ubuntu Cinnamon is now part of Ubuntu flavours

    From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 10:50:21 2023
    "Ubuntu Cinnamon Flavor Status Announcement"

    https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-flavor-status-announcement/

    Ubuntu flavours
    https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 10:07:46 2023
    Am 29.03.2023 um 10:50:21 Uhr schrieb Andrei Z.:

    "Ubuntu Cinnamon Flavor Status Announcement"

    https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-flavor-status-announcement/

    Ubuntu flavours
    https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours

    I assume this is because of Linux Mint. Man people don't like to
    install their desktop environment on their own - even when it is so
    easy.

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Wed Mar 29 08:18:48 2023
    Andrei Z. wrote:
    "Ubuntu Cinnamon Flavor Status Announcement"

    https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-flavor-status-announcement/

    Joshua Peisach, Lead Developer
    Ubuntu Cinnamon started as a small idea in my head, in 2019. I was ELEVEN.



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    Mike Easter

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  • From Mansa Musa@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Mar 29 18:47:09 2023
    On 29/03/2023 09:07, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 29.03.2023 um 10:50:21 Uhr schrieb Andrei Z.:

    "Ubuntu Cinnamon Flavor Status Announcement"

    https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-flavor-status-announcement/

    The above link says "We make 23.04 the BEST release we EVER had". So
    what is so special about 23.04? I thought the next version on Ubuntu
    (LTS) doesn't come out until 24.04. Are they saying that Cinnamon is
    part of Ubuntu but they will keep their own release cadence? What about Support? Can people use Ubuntu forums for support or do we still
    continue using Mint forums? I don't use Mint forum because some years
    ago I posted a very simple question but which appeared briefly but then deleted and they banned me. So now I only use Ubuntu and I like it very much
    because all cloud providers support Ubuntu. Even Windows 10 and 11 have
    Ubuntu as WSL.



    Ubuntu flavours
    https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours

    Cinnamon is not on the list yet.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 30 08:47:41 2023
    Am 29.03.2023 schrieb Mansa Musa <Mansa.Musa@gmail.com>:

    The above link says "We make 23.04 the BEST release we EVER had". So
    what is so special about 23.04?

    Ubuntu Cinnamon is an official flavour - nothing more.

    I thought the next version on Ubuntu (LTS) doesn't come out until
    24.04.

    True, but LTS isn't better because it has longer support.

    Are they saying that Cinnamon is part of Ubuntu but they will keep
    their own release cadence?

    The cinnamon desktop is part of Ubuntu for years.
    They now only provide an ISO image with cinnamon preinstalled.

    What about Support? Can people use Ubuntu forums for support or do we
    still continue using Mint forums?

    The OS is still Ubuntu - just another desktop is preinstalled.
    They should use the Ubuntu forums.

    I don't use Mint forum because some years ago I posted a very simple
    question but which appeared briefly but then deleted and they banned
    me.

    Then ask in Usenet, they cannot ban you.

    So now I only use Ubuntu and I like it very much because all
    cloud providers support Ubuntu.

    The virtualization technology usually supports any Linux distribution.

    Even Windows 10 and 11 have Ubuntu as WSL.

    WSL is very limited and different, don't expect it works the same as
    Ubuntu.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 30 08:48:55 2023
    Am 29.03.2023 schrieb Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>:

    Andrei Z. wrote:
    "Ubuntu Cinnamon Flavor Status Announcement"

    https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-flavor-status-announcement/

    Joshua Peisach, Lead Developer
    Ubuntu Cinnamon started as a small idea in my head, in 2019. I was
    ELEVEN.

    That must be a very intelligent guy, releasing a Linux distribution
    with the age of 15.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Thu Mar 30 07:25:56 2023
    On 3/30/2023 2:47 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 29.03.2023 schrieb Mansa Musa <Mansa.Musa@gmail.com>:

    The above link says "We make 23.04 the BEST release we EVER had". So
    what is so special about 23.04?

    Ubuntu Cinnamon is an official flavour - nothing more.

    I thought the next version on Ubuntu (LTS) doesn't come out until
    24.04.

    True, but LTS isn't better because it has longer support.

    Are they saying that Cinnamon is part of Ubuntu but they will keep
    their own release cadence?

    The cinnamon desktop is part of Ubuntu for years.
    They now only provide an ISO image with cinnamon preinstalled.

    What about Support? Can people use Ubuntu forums for support or do we
    still continue using Mint forums?

    The OS is still Ubuntu - just another desktop is preinstalled.
    They should use the Ubuntu forums.

    I don't use Mint forum because some years ago I posted a very simple
    question but which appeared briefly but then deleted and they banned
    me.

    Then ask in Usenet, they cannot ban you.

    So now I only use Ubuntu and I like it very much because all
    cloud providers support Ubuntu.

    The virtualization technology usually supports any Linux distribution.

    Even Windows 10 and 11 have Ubuntu as WSL.

    WSL is very limited and different, don't expect it works the same as Ubuntu.

    Have you tried it ?

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/g2NhbvhH/WSLg-Ubuntu-on-W11-Home.gif

    In Task Manager, you see vmmemWSL running and using about 1GB of memory.

    I had LO Draw running in it yesterday, to open a Microsoft Publisher sample file.

    $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024
    1024+0 records in
    1024+0 records out
    1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 0.0365727 s, 29.4 GB/s

    I got the Linux version of Prime95, had it run in Torture Test Mode
    under bash shell, and it managed to use fifty percent of CPU when
    asked to test on six cores (6C 12T). It tested half of the system RAM,
    so in terms of malloc limit, it seems to be able to use about
    half of the system RAM. The reason I did that test, is to make sure
    the virtualization is not limited to just one core. And it
    seemed to pass that test.

    From a graphics perspective, I don't think it knows what VSYNC is.
    And /dev, while present, still is not an "authentic emulation".
    (/dev/sda is there, but not /dev/sda1).

    So some things, like gnome-disks, still don't work. But I would
    say, of the things tested, it's a damn impressive piece of work.

    The graphics path it's using is ridiculous, but... it works.
    It's using Terminal Services for the rootless windows for
    things like Firefox, yet I don't think Firefox can tell it is
    running over Terminal Services. That is like, remote desktop protocol.
    And firefox is fooled into thinking regular Linux graphics are present.
    That means all the normal graphics layers are present, plus the output
    is piped over Terminal Services to the Windows desktop. The glxgears
    run, the graphics look perfectly normal.

    $ inxi -G
    Graphics: Device-1: Microsoft driver: dxgkrnl v: N/A
    Display: wayland-0 server: Microsoft Corporation X.org 1.20.13 driver: dxgkrnl resolution: 1440x900~60Hz
    OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 12.0.0 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 21.2.6

    $ glxgears
    10551 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2110.035 FPS
    11310 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2261.971 FPS
    11309 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2261.759 FPS
    X connection to :0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

    The graphics performance isn't exactly "flaming hot", but it does work.
    Since the graphics subsystem doesn't emulate VSYNC, that's why glxgears
    runs faster than 60FPS, without any additional directive to suppress VSYNC.
    The graphics is only a GTX1050, so it's not a high end card.

    While glxgears was running, the Windows Task Manager reports the GPU
    activity level is "zero", while the CPU activity level (6C 12T) is 32 percent. So the graphics path does not appear to be accelerated. That means the CPU
    was drawing the 3D image for glxgears, onto the screen (via Terminal Services).

    Paul

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 30 13:31:09 2023
    Am 30.03.2023 schrieb Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:

    Have you tried it ?

    Not myself, but at work some people tried it.
    syslog was configured different and disabled, networking is shared with windows, so changes in WSL will affect it.

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  • From Manu Raju@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Fri Apr 21 01:08:36 2023
    On 29/03/2023 08:50, Andrei Z. wrote:
    "Ubuntu Cinnamon Flavor Status Announcement"

    https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-flavor-status-announcement/

    Ubuntu flavours
    https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours

    GoogleDrive Link doesn't work here:

    <https://ubuntucinnamon.org/download/>

    Who to report to?

    Thank you.

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  • From azigni@21:1/5 to Y. Sputnik on Wed May 10 18:43:28 2023
    On 5/10/23 12:57 PM, Y. Sputnik wrote:


    Good, won't use Mint.!
    Bad news....They all are Debian based. Ubuntu's use Debian Testing.

    Ignoring that, Linux is Linux, they are all made from the same basic
    programs. I surmise, you do not like the Mint way of doing things, and
    not Mint itself.

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