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    From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 09:32:57 2023
    Ubuntu Flavor Packaging Defaults - Ubuntu Community Hub https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061

    Ubuntu flavours
    https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Thu Feb 23 08:01:44 2023
    Andrei Z. wrote:
    Ubuntu Flavor Packaging Defaults - Ubuntu Community Hub https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061

    The article I read about that move didn't provide nearly the depth of explanation as the discourse one. I understand Canonical's position/POV
    on the issue better now.

    Before I read anything, I wasn't actually aware that some Ub flavors
    were including flatpaks by default, like Mint does.

    I also recently learned that one advantage of Snaps was that it includes
    some server apps whereas flatpaks are just oriented to the
    desktop/workstation ones.


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    Mike Easter

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  • From Henry Crun@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Thu Feb 23 20:07:07 2023
    On 23/02/2023 18:01, Mike Easter wrote:
    Andrei Z. wrote:
    Ubuntu Flavor Packaging Defaults - Ubuntu Community Hub
    https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061

    The article I read about that move didn't provide nearly the depth of explanation as the discourse one.  I understand
    Canonical's position/POV on the issue better now.

    Before I read anything,  I wasn't actually aware that some Ub flavors were including flatpaks by default, like Mint does.

    I also recently learned that one advantage of Snaps was that it includes some server apps whereas flatpaks are just
    oriented to the desktop/workstation ones.



    Having been an Ubuntu (vanilla flavour) user since Warty Warthog, I am finally, slowly, moving over to mxlinux.
    Canonical has it would seem lost sight of the principle "Do one thing and do it well" and is coercing users to use snaps
    -- avoidable, but in my opinion overly convoluted, and worse: systemd, overly complicated and most definitely NOT "do
    one thing", inefficient, and introducing a host ov new problems. These changes possibly make thing easier for
    developers, but disregard the users, who are told "we know what's best for you..."

    Pity about that.

    Mike
    --
    No Micro$oft products were used in the URLs above, or in preparing this message.
    Recommended reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#befor

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Thu Feb 23 10:34:52 2023
    Henry Crun wrote:
    Having been an Ubuntu (vanilla flavour) user since Warty Warthog, I am finally, slowly, moving over to mxlinux.

    Nice distro.

    Canonical has it would seem lost sight of the principle "Do one thing
    and do it well" and is coercing users to use snaps -- avoidable, but in
    my opinion overly convoluted, and worse: systemd, overly complicated and
    most definitely NOT "do one thing", inefficient, and introducing a host
    ov new problems. These changes possibly make thing easier for
    developers, but disregard the users, who are told "we know what's best
    for you..."

    MX is a nice Debian distro; and is VERY flexible about how it sorta
    eschews systemd while making it optionally enabled at boot. Clever.

    Similarly Mint is a nice Ubuntu distro and makes some better decisions
    than Ub about its desktops by eschewing Gnome while putting LOTS of dev
    into its forks, and making its default extra apps flatpak instead of
    snap and also being able to use .deb .ppa repo/s in addition to those of
    Ub and itself.

    Pity about that.

    Well, Ub has to do what Ub has to do. I would imagine that Mark
    Shuttleworth 'dreams' of being a RedHat and a big financial success
    someday, while doing good things for the community on the way there.


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    Mike Easter

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Thu Feb 23 22:44:33 2023
    On 2/23/23 10:07, Henry Crun wrote:

    Having been an Ubuntu (vanilla flavour) user since Warty Warthog, I am finally, slowly, moving over to mxlinux.
    Canonical has it would seem lost sight of the principle "Do one thing and do it well" and is coercing users to use snaps
    -- avoidable, but in my opinion overly convoluted, and worse: systemd, overly complicated and most definitely NOT "do
    one thing", inefficient, and introducing a host ov new problems. These changes possibly make thing easier for
    developers, but disregard the users, who are told "we know what's best for you..."

    Pity about that.

    I, for one, will always have a soft spot in my heart for Ubuntu. IMHO It
    has done more to further Linux desktop than any other linux distro,
    ever. And I've used them all. Even back when Mandrake was essentially
    Ubuntu for Redhat/rpm distros.

    So shuttleworth wants to focus on servers and snaps and whatever other decisions he chooses to further Canonical/Ubuntu. He's free to do that.
    As we (users) are free to keep using Ubuntu and do what we choose on it including removing snaps, etc. Or free to move to other distros.

    I still use ubuntu/debian for all my home computers/servers. At work,
    we're bound to redhat. It's all Linux and Linux is great, no matter the
    distro. Be happy we use the best OS in existence.

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  • From Jimmy Johnson@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Sat Feb 25 22:30:21 2023
    On 02/23/2023 10:07 AM, Henry Crun wrote:

    I am finally, slowly, moving over to mxlinux.

    Have you moved yet? Congratulations if you have, it's a much better O.S.
    than most any other thing out there. I found one better but you need to
    speak Spanish to use it.
    --
    Jimmy Johnson

    Alien-19-Linux - AMD A8-7600 - at sda11
    Registered Linux User #380263

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  • From Johnny@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Tue Feb 28 08:17:16 2023
    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 20:07:07 +0200
    Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> wrote:

    On 23/02/2023 18:01, Mike Easter wrote:
    Andrei Z. wrote:
    Ubuntu Flavor Packaging Defaults - Ubuntu Community Hub
    https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061

    The article I read about that move didn't provide nearly the depth
    of explanation as the discourse one.  I understand Canonical's position/POV on the issue better now.

    Before I read anything,  I wasn't actually aware that some Ub
    flavors were including flatpaks by default, like Mint does.

    I also recently learned that one advantage of Snaps was that it
    includes some server apps whereas flatpaks are just oriented to the desktop/workstation ones.



    Having been an Ubuntu (vanilla flavour) user since Warty Warthog, I
    am finally, slowly, moving over to mxlinux. Canonical has it would
    seem lost sight of the principle "Do one thing and do it well" and is coercing users to use snaps -- avoidable, but in my opinion overly convoluted, and worse: systemd, overly complicated and most
    definitely NOT "do one thing", inefficient, and introducing a host ov
    new problems. These changes possibly make thing easier for
    developers, but disregard the users, who are told "we know what's
    best for you..."

    Pity about that.

    Mike

    I started using Linux Mint at version 15 and thought it was the best.
    A few years ago I tried MX Linux, and have never gone back to Linux
    Mint.

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  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Wed Mar 1 13:14:02 2023
    Anssi Saari wrote:
    Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> writes:

    Andrei Z. wrote:
    Ubuntu Flavor Packaging Defaults - Ubuntu Community Hub
    https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061

    The article I read about that move didn't provide nearly the depth of
    explanation as the discourse one. I understand Canonical's
    position/POV on the issue better now.

    Still, no flatpak support out of the box is kind of an annoying decision
    for Kubuntu considering Plasma 5.27 includes support for managing
    flatpak permissions right in the system configuration app.

    Flatpaks and Kubuntu

    https://kubuntu.org/news/flatpaks-and-kubuntu/

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Wed Mar 1 11:45:12 2023
    Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> writes:

    Andrei Z. wrote:
    Ubuntu Flavor Packaging Defaults - Ubuntu Community Hub
    https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061

    The article I read about that move didn't provide nearly the depth of explanation as the discourse one. I understand Canonical's
    position/POV on the issue better now.

    Still, no flatpak support out of the box is kind of an annoying decision
    for Kubuntu considering Plasma 5.27 includes support for managing
    flatpak permissions right in the system configuration app.

    In other news, Ubuntu Pro is available for free now for personal
    use. With Pro, LTS releases have 10 years of security updates for the
    main and universe repos. Also LivePatch is included for kernel updates
    without rebooting.

    My only Ubuntu machine currently is a Raspberry Pi in the Compute Module
    3+ variant. I thought I'd just chuck it when 20.04 goes out of support
    but now it looks like that would be in 2030.

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