• OT: strange thunderbird problem

    From bilsch01@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 10 11:37:23 2021
    This Thunderbird problem started happening today. When I single click an
    old email in my 'Sent' folder the email gets deleted. No warning about
    it. Either way it shouldn't happen. Does anyone here know how to fix this?
    TIA. Bill S.

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 10 17:21:15 2021
    bilsch01 wrote:
    This Thunderbird problem started happening today. When I single click an
    old email in my 'Sent' folder the email gets deleted. No warning about
    it. Either way it shouldn't happen. Does anyone here know how to fix this? TIA.   Bill S.

    Are you clicking on the 'Junk' column of the that email's row?

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
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    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Jul 10 15:46:23 2021
    On 7/10/21 3:16 PM, Paul wrote:
    bilsch01 wrote:
    This Thunderbird problem started happening today. When I single click
    an old email in my 'Sent' folder the email gets deleted. No warning
    about it. Either way it shouldn't happen. Does anyone here know how to
    fix this?
    TIA.   Bill S.

    Just some general information, which, because the
    program gets modified, may change from time to time.
    I like Jonathans idea, as the source of your misery.

    Editing these files is not for the squeamish. Backups
    are essential during learning experiences (back up the
    two Profile folders).

    Newsgroup folders consist of:

       alt.os.linux.ubuntu.msf   <=== a large file, in MORK format
       alt.os.linux.ubuntu.mdat  <=== a small text file, stores filters for killfiling people

    When the MORK is corrupted in that case, the file
    tends to be thrown away and generation of the file
    starts from scratch.

    Keeping backup copies of the .msf file, is then
    necessary to toss a working copy into the news server
    folder in question, and "revive" group storage (return
    the header pattern that used to show, not one fetched
    from scratch).

    The .mdat file hardly ever needs work, compared to the
    .msf which is a "highly unreliable" file format. Once it
    hits about 100MB, it tips over in a light breeze.

    *******

    The Sent folder on the other hand, is a "mail" item

       Sent   <=== a text file, with some status lines at the top

                   From - Wed Nov 26 06:13:35 2008
                   X-Mozilla-Status: 0015
                   X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
                   X-Mozilla-Keys:

                   0000 Unread
                   0001 Read (perhaps a good value)
                   0008 \___ Could be deleted values
                   0009 /
                   0015 Not sure

                   To start with, the changes made to your messages, the ones
                   you clicked, those should be checked for 0008 or 0009 sort
                   of thing. Skim through the file and see how many are
                   "X-Mozilla-Status: 0008" for example.

       Sent.msf <=== MORK file format. In this case, a "derived index" of sorts.
                     After you've edited SENT with a text editor, you could
                     look for the Index Rebuild or the Repair button. This
    might
                     regenerate Sent.msf. If this screws things up, restore
                     Sent and Sent.msf from your profile folder backups.

    The interface will be similar to this.

    https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/N6Er8GzNV_n6RJ2cMUYxg2222s8=/1366x0/filters:no_upscale%28%29:max_bytes%28150000%29:strip_icc%28%29/002_repair-folders-thunderbird-1173102-e17db3f583c241bcb05d9fb5613377db.jpg


    The folder properties of "Sent" also include options
    for auto-deletion. Click Sent and do Properties, and the
    Retention Policy can lead to grief. The Retention Policy
    should be to keep everything, not randomly delete stuff.

    Items are not really "deleted" until a "Compact" run happens.
    Thunderbird is always in a rush in the modern versions,
    to "Compact" the hell out of things. Any messages lost
    to deletion could be permanently removed after a
    "Compact", in which case repair with a text editor
    isn't possible. You need to

       Exit Thunderbird first. Don't edit Sent while it is running.

       Edit Sent, change the status of the X-Mozilla-Status flags on
    affected messages

       Start Thunderbird.
       Rebuild Index using the saved/corrected copy of Sent
       Do this before Sent is Compacted.

    The .msf MORK file keeps track of items to be deleted, by placing
    a "-" sign next to the items needing to be removed. The Compact
    runs through the file, sees the "-" items and then removes
    them. Because it's a database, there are things associated with
    one another in there, and some of those get tidied by a single
    minus sign somewhere else, too. Editing the .msf by hand is
    possible (I wrote a program to mess about for example), but
    there is a lot to .msf and in fact my program is far from
    technically correct. Regenerating the .msf in this case,
    after the mailbox file is corrected and the delete flags 0008
    or 0009 are removed, should in principle give a MORK file
    with not quite so many minuses in it.

    Summary: You can fix it, maybe. If you can find sufficient
             collaborative tech info. Don't Compact SENT until
             this is fixed!

    Just a guess,
       Paul

    On my system with this problem I would remove Thunderbird
    and re-install it.

    bliss- - “Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am...

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 10 18:16:25 2021
    bilsch01 wrote:
    This Thunderbird problem started happening today. When I single click an
    old email in my 'Sent' folder the email gets deleted. No warning about
    it. Either way it shouldn't happen. Does anyone here know how to fix this? TIA. Bill S.

    Just some general information, which, because the
    program gets modified, may change from time to time.
    I like Jonathans idea, as the source of your misery.

    Editing these files is not for the squeamish. Backups
    are essential during learning experiences (back up the
    two Profile folders).

    Newsgroup folders consist of:

    alt.os.linux.ubuntu.msf <=== a large file, in MORK format
    alt.os.linux.ubuntu.mdat <=== a small text file, stores filters for killfiling people

    When the MORK is corrupted in that case, the file
    tends to be thrown away and generation of the file
    starts from scratch.

    Keeping backup copies of the .msf file, is then
    necessary to toss a working copy into the news server
    folder in question, and "revive" group storage (return
    the header pattern that used to show, not one fetched
    from scratch).

    The .mdat file hardly ever needs work, compared to the
    .msf which is a "highly unreliable" file format. Once it
    hits about 100MB, it tips over in a light breeze.

    *******

    The Sent folder on the other hand, is a "mail" item

    Sent <=== a text file, with some status lines at the top

    From - Wed Nov 26 06:13:35 2008
    X-Mozilla-Status: 0015
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
    X-Mozilla-Keys:

    0000 Unread
    0001 Read (perhaps a good value)
    0008 \___ Could be deleted values
    0009 /
    0015 Not sure

    To start with, the changes made to your messages, the ones
    you clicked, those should be checked for 0008 or 0009 sort
    of thing. Skim through the file and see how many are
    "X-Mozilla-Status: 0008" for example.

    Sent.msf <=== MORK file format. In this case, a "derived index" of sorts.
    After you've edited SENT with a text editor, you could
    look for the Index Rebuild or the Repair button. This might
    regenerate Sent.msf. If this screws things up, restore
    Sent and Sent.msf from your profile folder backups.

    The interface will be similar to this.

    https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/N6Er8GzNV_n6RJ2cMUYxg2222s8=/1366x0/filters:no_upscale%28%29:max_bytes%28150000%29:strip_icc%28%29/002_repair-folders-thunderbird-1173102-e17db3f583c241bcb05d9fb5613377db.jpg

    The folder properties of "Sent" also include options
    for auto-deletion. Click Sent and do Properties, and the
    Retention Policy can lead to grief. The Retention Policy
    should be to keep everything, not randomly delete stuff.

    Items are not really "deleted" until a "Compact" run happens.
    Thunderbird is always in a rush in the modern versions,
    to "Compact" the hell out of things. Any messages lost
    to deletion could be permanently removed after a
    "Compact", in which case repair with a text editor
    isn't possible. You need to

    Exit Thunderbird first. Don't edit Sent while it is running.

    Edit Sent, change the status of the X-Mozilla-Status flags on affected messages

    Start Thunderbird.
    Rebuild Index using the saved/corrected copy of Sent
    Do this before Sent is Compacted.

    The .msf MORK file keeps track of items to be deleted, by placing
    a "-" sign next to the items needing to be removed. The Compact
    runs through the file, sees the "-" items and then removes
    them. Because it's a database, there are things associated with
    one another in there, and some of those get tidied by a single
    minus sign somewhere else, too. Editing the .msf by hand is
    possible (I wrote a program to mess about for example), but
    there is a lot to .msf and in fact my program is far from
    technically correct. Regenerating the .msf in this case,
    after the mailbox file is corrected and the delete flags 0008
    or 0009 are removed, should in principle give a MORK file
    with not quite so many minuses in it.

    Summary: You can fix it, maybe. If you can find sufficient
    collaborative tech info. Don't Compact SENT until
    this is fixed!

    Just a guess,
    Paul

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  • From bilsch01@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 10 17:04:27 2021
    On 7/10/21 11:37 AM, bilsch01 wrote:
    This Thunderbird problem started happening today. When I single click an
    old email in my 'Sent' folder the email gets deleted. No warning about
    it. Either way it shouldn't happen. Does anyone here know how to fix this? TIA.   Bill S.
    I read everyone's post and looked at some of the things mentioned. I
    discovered I must have been clicking in the 'junk' column as suggested
    by Jonathan. Thanks for the guidance.

    Bill S.

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 11 01:15:40 2021
    On 10.07.2021 at 15:46, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:

    On my system with this problem I would remove Thunderbird
    and re-install it.

    Which is the Microsoft Windows way of trying to fix things, but it
    doesn't work like that in GNU/Linux.

    The reason why it works in Windows is the Windows Registry. Windows is
    a consumerist platform primarily focused on using proprietary and thus copyrighted software, and therefore, the removal of an application also requires removing all related files in the system because of potential copyright violations. Windows also doesn't have any package manager of
    its own and relies on each application's individual installation
    procedure for (re-)initializing an application's configuration.

    Corruption in your local mail archive is always going to be situated in
    your $HOME. In a UNIX system, uninstalling and reinstalling the
    application isn't going to touch anything inside a user's $HOME,
    because this would imply that all users' data would be jeopardized by
    the whims of whoever has root/admin access on the system.

    Besides, it would require an additional algorithm for indexing every
    user account on the system and looping through each and every home
    directory in order to remove the user-owned application-specific files.
    An operating system specifically designed for promoting software freedom
    isn't going to go there. ;)

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    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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