• Problem with 5.8 HWE kernel

    From Henry Crun@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 11 18:13:48 2021
    Opened Bug report
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1938983

    no solutions as yet.

    Losing WiFi connectivity after an update to the latest HWE kernel :
    Has this happened to anyone else and (more important) is there a non-complicated way out of this?
    What I found on Google on how to back out of HWE seems a bit iffy.

    Remarks that I did find included

    <quote>

    This latest 5.8 update has caused a lot of issues for a lot of people. The most critical being breaking:

    Graphics Drivers
    Virtualbox no longer working. You can fix this by downloading straight from virtualbox.org but then that breaks Python.
    WIFI Stops working

    </quote>

    All help gratefully and humbly accepted...

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Wed Aug 11 09:44:39 2021
    Henry Crun wrote:
    Opened Bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1938983

    That msg says you have a USB rtl8188.

    no solutions as yet.

    Losing WiFi connectivity after an update to the latest HWE kernel :

    My understanding is that you can use the command:

    ubuntu-drivers list-oem

    ... to see if there are any meta packages listed.

    Has this happened to anyone else and (more important) is there a non-complicated way out of this? What I found on Google on how to
    back out of HWE seems a bit iffy.

    I see a command to back out:

    To downgrade from HWE/OEM to GA kernel:

    sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic

    There is a page:

    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack

    The Ubuntu LTS enablement (also called HWE or Hardware Enablement)
    stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing Ubuntu LTS
    releases. These enablement stacks can be installed manually but are
    also available when installing with Ubuntu LTS point release media.
    These newer enablement stacks are meant for desktop and server and
    even recommended for cloud or virtual images. However, if one wants
    to remain on the original GA (General Availability) stacks, the
    options are:

    Whenever I have a network issue, I like to see what inxi says, because
    it tells me what I have and what driver.

    $ inxi -Nn

    Some Ub/s don't have the inxi script by default and some Ub/s don't have
    the universe repo by default. Personally I don't know why that would be.

    sudo add-apt-repository universe

    (likewise multiverse, but that is less often needed)

    Then update and install inxi.


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  • From Henry Crun@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Wed Aug 11 21:21:02 2021
    On 11/08/2021 19:44, Mike Easter wrote:
    Henry Crun wrote:
    Opened Bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1938983

    That msg says you have a USB rtl8188.

    no solutions as yet.

    Losing WiFi connectivity after an update to the latest HWE kernel :

    My understanding is that you can use the command:

    ubuntu-drivers list-oem

    ... to see if there are any meta packages listed.

    Has this happened to anyone else and (more important) is there a non-complicated way out of this? What I found on
    Google on how to
    back out of HWE seems a bit iffy.

    I see a command to back out:

    To downgrade from HWE/OEM to GA kernel:

    sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic

    There is a page:

    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack

    The Ubuntu LTS enablement (also called HWE or Hardware Enablement)
    stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing Ubuntu LTS
    releases. These enablement stacks can be installed manually but are
    also available when installing with Ubuntu LTS point release media.
    These newer enablement stacks are meant for desktop and server and
    even recommended for cloud or virtual images. However, if one wants
    to remain on the original GA (General Availability) stacks, the
    options are:

    Whenever I have a network issue, I like to see what inxi says, because it tells me what I have and what driver.

    $ inxi -Nn

    Some Ub/s don't have the inxi script by default and some Ub/s don't have the universe repo by default.  Personally I
    don't know why that would be.

    sudo add-apt-repository universe

    (likewise multiverse, but that is less often needed)

    Then update and install inxi.



    root@alpha:/home/mike# ubuntu-drivers list-oem
    root@alpha:/home/mike#

    root@alpha:/home/mike# /usr/bin/inxi -Nn
    Network:
    Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    driver: r8168
    IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 4c:ed:fb:bf:7f:ac root@alpha:/home/mike#

    I'll do a full backup tomorrow, and then try
    "sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic"

    Thanks,
    Keeping my fingers crossed...

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Wed Aug 11 11:27:19 2021
    Henry Crun wrote:
    root@alpha:/home/mike# /usr/bin/inxi -Nn
    Network:
      Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
      driver: r8168
      IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 4c:ed:fb:bf:7f:ac

    That is only showing your ethernet, not your usb wifi. There is also a discrepancy between its alleged gigabit and up speed 100.

    What does lsusb show?

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  • From Henry Crun@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Thu Aug 12 03:49:15 2021
    On 11/08/2021 21:27, Mike Easter wrote:
    Henry Crun wrote:
    root@alpha:/home/mike# /usr/bin/inxi -Nn
    Network:
       Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
       driver: r8168
       IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 4c:ed:fb:bf:7f:ac

    That is only showing your ethernet, not your usb wifi.  There is also a discrepancy between its alleged gigabit and up
    speed 100.

    What does lsusb show?


    It does not show the WiFi unless I plug in the USB card. But if I do that, things start locking up (e.g ifconfig,
    wavemon, any sudo command) and the only way out is to unplug the USB WIFi and reboot.
    Being basically a lazy person, I think I'll just leave the WiFi unplugged, and hope for a kernel fix.
    Sorry if I appear ungrateful, becase I'm not - thank you for your input, but I will just leave the Ethernet cable
    plugged in and wait for a fix. After all, this is a bug of sorts, and 20.04 LTS should be supported (he says hopefully)

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Henry Crun on Thu Aug 12 09:09:30 2021
    Henry Crun wrote:
    It does not show the WiFi unless I plug in the USB card. But if I do
    that, things start locking up (e.g ifconfig, wavemon, any sudo command)
    and the only way out is to unplug the USB WIFi and reboot.
    Being basically a lazy person, I think I'll just leave the WiFi
    unplugged, and hope for a kernel fix.
    Sorry if I appear ungrateful, becase I'm not - thank you for your input,
    but I will just leave the Ethernet cable plugged in and wait for a fix.
    After all, this is a bug of sorts, and 20.04 LTS should be supported (he
    says hopefully)

    I was just having a discussion in another group about a msg I posted
    over 6 mo ago about updating. I posted links to several different
    articles pro and con on the updating business and the reflection on that
    old msg caused me to read a msg I posted in a mint group related to Clem Lefebvre's admonitions in the Mint blog in favor of updating.

    However, the Mint update tool is designed to encourage each user to dev
    a 'strategy' for how they are going to update and in all cases are
    encouraged to employ the Timeshift snapshot tool to enable easily
    regressing to an earlier system.

    Clem said: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4030

    I said:
    http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=162878335000
    Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mint
    Subject: Re: Keep your PC updated please
    Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:23:54 -0800
    Message-ID: <i9fj9bF2g1aU1@mid.individual.net>

    The 6 mo old article that I posted about the 'controversy' of updating:

    http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=162878446100
    Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop
    Subject: Linux kernel updating
    Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:36:23 -0800
    Message-ID: <i7obl8F820jU1@mid.individual.net>

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Thu Aug 12 18:12:07 2021
    On 12/08/2021 17:09, Mike Easter wrote:
    Henry Crun wrote:
    It does not show the WiFi unless I plug in the USB card. But if I do
    that, things start locking up (e.g ifconfig, wavemon, any sudo command)
    and the only way out is to unplug the USB WIFi and reboot.
    Being basically a lazy person, I think I'll just leave the WiFi
    unplugged, and hope for a kernel fix.
    Sorry if I appear ungrateful, becase I'm not - thank you for your input,
    but I will just leave the Ethernet cable plugged in and wait for a fix.
    After all, this is a bug of sorts, and 20.04 LTS should be supported (he
    says hopefully)

    I was just having a discussion in another group about a msg I posted
    over 6 mo ago about updating. I posted links to several different
    articles pro and con on the updating business and the reflection on that
    old msg caused me to read a msg I posted in a mint group related to Clem Lefebvre's admonitions in the Mint blog in favor of updating.

    However, the Mint update tool is designed to encourage each user to dev
    a 'strategy' for how they are going to update and in all cases are
    encouraged to employ the Timeshift snapshot tool to enable easily
    regressing to an earlier system.

    That's assuming you can get the machine to boot to a desktop so you can
    run Timeshift. If you can't (and remembering this thread is about a
    problem with a new kernel), surely the first thing to try is to pause
    boot and select the previous kernel to see if the machine will continue
    to boot ok from that. If it does, you know where the problem lies, and
    should perhaps just wait for the next version of the kernel and hope
    that boots without problem.

    If it doesn't, then Timeshift will be the way to go. It's a great tool.

    (snip)

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Thu Aug 12 10:38:41 2021
    Jeff Layman wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:

    I was just having a discussion in another group about a msg I
    posted over 6 mo ago about updating. I posted links to several
    different articles pro and con on the updating business and the
    reflection on that old msg caused me to read a msg I posted in a
    mint group related to Clem Lefebvre's admonitions in the Mint blog
    in favor of updating.

    However, the Mint update tool is designed to encourage each user
    to dev a 'strategy' for how they are going to update and in all
    cases are encouraged to employ the Timeshift snapshot tool to
    enable easily regressing to an earlier system.

    That's assuming you can get the machine to boot to a desktop so you
    can run Timeshift. If you can't (and remembering this thread is
    about a problem with a new kernel), surely the first thing to try is
    to pause boot and select the previous kernel to see if the machine
    will continue to boot ok from that. If it does, you know where the
    problem lies, and should perhaps just wait for the next version of
    the kernel and hope that boots without problem.

    If it doesn't, then Timeshift will be the way to go. It's a great
    tool.

    The 'controversy' discussed in those old msg/s and articles I cited
    raise the question of whether or not some particular updating should be performed at all.

    I don't have an Ub install I'm using right now, but I would suspect I
    would be 'disinclined' to make an upgrade to a newer kernel whose
    principle HWE hardware enablement's purpose is to help solve some
    hardware 'problem' based on *newer* hardware that I didn't have.

    That is, it isn't clear at all to me why one would make that kernel
    'upgrade' that apparently led to the breakage.

    These newer HWE kernels are accompanied by a collection of userspace
    tools closely tied to the kernel and hardware, specifically X
    display enablement on newer graphics cards.

    AskUb msg:

    Ubuntu updated to kernel 5.11.0-25-generic and will no longer load.
    It goes through the non graphic stuff and eventually goes to a
    flashing _ . That _ eventually disappears and vertical green lines
    flash on my screen.

    If I tell GRUB to load kernel 5.8.0-63-generic-boot, Ubuntu 20.04.2
    loads correctly. I am fairly new with Linux so please be patient with
    me.

    That is, just because some kind of update is available doesn't
    necessarily mean it should be exercised, particularly if it isn't
    related to security.


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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Thu Aug 12 12:11:28 2021
    Mike Easter wrote:
    That is, it isn't clear at all to me why one would make that kernel
    'upgrade' that apparently led to the breakage.

    Apparently the kernel update had a 'security' label on it.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Fri Aug 13 08:05:31 2021
    On 12/08/2021 20:11, Mike Easter wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    That is, it isn't clear at all to me why one would make that kernel
    'upgrade' that apparently led to the breakage.

    Apparently the kernel update had a 'security' label on it.

    Where does that label appear?

    I just had the Mint Update Manager let me know a kernel update is
    available (5.4.0-81.91. I'm still using LM 20.1). Of course, as usual it
    says "No changelog available" when you click on that tab on the lower
    half of the window. There is a changelog available, but getting to it is
    not exactly transparent, and when you've got it be prepared for a lot of reading!

    In the Update Manager window:
    View | Linux kernels | Continue | (Select kernel version group) |
    (Left-click specific kernel) | Left-click on changelog

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Aug 13 09:55:38 2021
    Jeff Layman wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    That is, it isn't clear at all to me why one would make that kernel
    'upgrade' that apparently led to the breakage.

    Apparently the kernel update had a 'security' label on it.

    Where does that label appear?

    On an Ub page

    https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/linux-image-5.11.0-25-generic

    Package: linux-image-5.11.0-25-generic (5.11.0-25.27~20.04.1) [security]

    I just had the Mint Update Manager let me know a kernel update is
    available (5.4.0-81.91. I'm still using LM 20.1). Of course, as usual it
    says "No changelog available" when you click on that tab on the lower
    half of the window. There is a changelog available, but getting to it is
    not exactly transparent, and when you've got it be prepared for a lot of reading!

    In the Update Manager window:
    View | Linux kernels | Continue | (Select kernel version group) |
    (Left-click specific kernel) | Left-click on changelog

    I like that the Mint update mgr gives me little icons for security and
    system and such, but in Clem's article about improvements in Mint's
    update mgr and 'policies', he indicated that more things were to come.
    It isn't crystal clear to me how the security and system stuff can be
    'mutually exclusive' in terms of there being only one icon for an item.


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