• How to fix the internet (MIT Technology Review)

    From Paul W. Schleck@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 21 19:59:40 2023
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    "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
    broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
    a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it
    feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
    with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
    is: What do we want to come next?"

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Paul W. Schleck on Sat Oct 21 17:36:04 2023
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    On 10/21/2023 2:59 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
    "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
    broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
    a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
    with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
    is: What do we want to come next?"

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

    You do nothing, with the exception of a caveat explaining the internet
    is probably much more dangerous to you than you think, and you should
    seriously consider everything you do on it carefully. People should
    already know this, but people are dumb and need to be told.

    Because, I don't trust you to be the one to make the changes and decide
    what is acceptable, and you probably would feel the same about me doing
    it. Just leave it alone and it will sort itself out.

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  • From Paul W. Schleck@21:1/5 to sticks on Sun Oct 29 15:14:13 2023
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    In <uh1jol$20cjk$1@dont-email.me> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> writes:

    On 10/21/2023 2:59 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
    "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
    broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
    a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it
    feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
    with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social
    platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
    is: What do we want to come next?"

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

    You do nothing, with the exception of a caveat explaining the internet
    is probably much more dangerous to you than you think, and you should >seriously consider everything you do on it carefully. People should
    already know this, but people are dumb and need to be told.

    Because, I don't trust you to be the one to make the changes and decide
    what is acceptable, and you probably would feel the same about me doing
    it. Just leave it alone and it will sort itself out.

    There's no such thing as a perfect Anarcho-Utopia, whether Wild West,
    Fight Club, pseudo-governments on abandoned off-shore platforms, or
    sovereign citizen movements. The world will not accept the argument of,
    "Well, we warned you, so it's not our fault," nor the empty promise of,
    "If you just leave us alone, we will only hurt those that consent to
    it." Efforts at "100% free speech" platforms will always fail, because
    they can't stay in the test tube, and the world will intrude.

    Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for
    community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

    --
    Paul W. Schleck
    pschleck@panix.com

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Paul W. Schleck on Mon Oct 30 12:14:10 2023
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    On 10/29/2023 10:14 AM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
    In <uh1jol$20cjk$1@dont-email.me> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> writes:

    On 10/21/2023 2:59 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
    "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
    broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
    a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it >>> feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
    with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social >>> platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
    is: What do we want to come next?"

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

    You do nothing, with the exception of a caveat explaining the internet
    is probably much more dangerous to you than you think, and you should
    seriously consider everything you do on it carefully. People should
    already know this, but people are dumb and need to be told.

    Because, I don't trust you to be the one to make the changes and decide
    what is acceptable, and you probably would feel the same about me doing
    it. Just leave it alone and it will sort itself out.

    There's no such thing as a perfect Anarcho-Utopia, whether Wild West,
    Fight Club, pseudo-governments on abandoned off-shore platforms, or
    sovereign citizen movements. The world will not accept the argument of, "Well, we warned you, so it's not our fault," nor the empty promise of,
    "If you just leave us alone, we will only hurt those that consent to
    it." Efforts at "100% free speech" platforms will always fail, because
    they can't stay in the test tube, and the world will intrude.

    Those who can't win legitimate debate, always resort to straw-man
    tactics. Let's try and limit the discussion to the net, please.

    Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

    First, an author who willing seems to agree with and use the conclusions
    of a humanity hating person like Yoel Roth, you have to take with a
    grain of salt.
    You are not advocating for a "Dictator" run styled internet. You're
    more along the lines of a Marxist styled environment run by a group of administrators who have been chosen because of their superior values and selfless motivation. It never works. There is always corruption, and
    the stealing of freedom and wealth from the middle class. Your group
    will just now be the ones who get to pick the winners and losers. It's
    already happening, and has been for years.

    I think it's evil, and based on the usual lies. Sometimes intentional,
    others simply sophomoric in their logic. At which point I go back to my original statement that you let it work it out on it's own with as
    little governmental interference, regulation, and control as possible.
    Let the users decide what they want. People are getting more
    knowledgeable, and will refuse participation if things need change. I
    simply do not trust any of the world or nation state governing entities
    to act honorably. They've not shown any reason to trust them at this
    point in time. Though the numbers are great, people were not meant to
    be sheep.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Paul W. Schleck on Wed Nov 1 02:23:54 2023
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    Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
    Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the >Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for >community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

    Wasn't Roger Carasso the self-proclaimed Dictator of the Internet?
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul W. Schleck@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Nov 5 15:43:29 2023
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    In <uhscrr$o26$1@panix2.panix.com> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

    Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
    Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the >>Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for >>community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

    Wasn't Roger Carasso the self-proclaimed Dictator of the Internet?

    Seems that he was an interesting Net.Legend. The closest quote that I
    could find from him was that he claimed to be the "FOUNDER of the
    Internet." Of course, that isn't true, either.

    https://talk.bizarre.narkive.com/GahHZ257/roger-carasso-please-sign-in

    https://web.elastic.org/~fche/blog4/posts/blog-0256/

    --
    Paul W. Schleck
    pschleck@panix.com

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Paul W. Schleck on Sun Nov 5 16:21:23 2023
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    In article <ui8d71$ei9$1@reader2.panix.com>,
    Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
    In <uhscrr$o26$1@panix2.panix.com> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

    Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
    Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the >>>Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for >>>community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

    Wasn't Roger Carasso the self-proclaimed Dictator of the Internet?

    Seems that he was an interesting Net.Legend. The closest quote that I
    could find from him was that he claimed to be the "FOUNDER of the
    Internet." Of course, that isn't true, either.

    RDC did not invent trolling but he brought it to the level of an art
    form. We will not see his like again.

    There is a whole generation of Usenet users whose first association
    with the Disney Monorail will be that of oral sex. We have RDC to thank
    for this.
    --scott

    https://talk.bizarre.narkive.com/GahHZ257/roger-carasso-please-sign-in

    https://web.elastic.org/~fche/blog4/posts/blog-0256/

    --
    Paul W. Schleck
    pschleck@panix.com



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