• The Truth That WCR Believers Run From... #20 (Watch Huckster Sienzant's

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 07:23:49 2024
    My Scenario - The Conclusion

    First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do
    precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,
    and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done
    so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. I then
    demonstrated that the Warren Commission refused to investigate prior assassination attempts that would have shed light on the conspiracy to
    murder the President. I then showed that the Warren Commission had
    their "conclusions" in written form before they interviewed a single
    witness... and that the Commission clearly indicated a desire **NOT**
    to hold a real investigation. I then demonstrated that the evidence
    from just moments after the shooting strongly supported a shooter at
    the Grassy Knoll. I went on to show that the original medical opinion
    within hours was for a frontal shot striking JFK. I then demonstrated
    that believers deny what the Commission stated about when Connally is
    seen reacting to a shot in the film, yet refuse to *explain* that
    reaction. I demonstrated that the Warren Commission provably lied
    about which shot struck Connally. I then demonstrated that there's
    *no* evidence for transit - which is necessary to an SBT. I then
    demonstrated that the Edgewood Arsenal tests contradicted the Warren Commission's theory, and they simply ignored those facts. I then
    covered evidence tending to show that the Autopsy Report isn't the
    original one. I then demonstrated that CE-399 doesn't have any valid
    chain of custody. In the last three posts, I showed how one of the
    assassins was clearly identified by numerous witnesses as wearing a
    white shirt, and was arrested - but wasn't Oswald. In the last two
    posts, I've pointed out the evidence for fraudulent alteration of the
    medical evidence. The last post showed provable alteration of an
    original FBI signed & dated report, as well as the problems with the
    alleged "paper bag." I then showed the problems of the BOH photo, and
    the scientific evidence for a frontal shot. I posted the famous 16
    Smoking Guns - unanswered by any believer.


    So what is the scenario - boiled down into a few easily read
    paragraphs?

    There were multiple attempts on JFK's life in 1963, as I've cited for,
    all within a few weeks of each other - and the one in Dallas
    succeeded. It was a simple matter of having a security stand-down by
    the Secret Service - multiple assassins in Dealey Plaza, and a
    cover-up to conceal these facts by a Commission dedicated to a lone
    assassin scenario before they took any testimony at all. That this assassination was done by those connected with government is shown by
    the fact that only those in government had the power to do what was
    provably done, both before the assassination, and afterward.

    This explanation better fits the known evidence, evidence that was
    either ignored or lied about by the Warren Commission - AS I HAVE
    PROVEN ABOVE - and thus is a better explanation of the facts that put
    forth by the Warren Commission.

    And although it's certainly possible that Lee Harvey Oswald was a
    member of that conspiracy, the evidence far better supports that he
    was the designated patsy for the crime... something he himself
    realized and stated. That the Warren Commission simply ignored or lied
    about any evidence that didn't lead to Oswald shows that the truth
    wasn't the goal of the Warren Commission.

    It's worth noting that the *LAST* official investigation agrees that a conspiracy better fits the known evidence than a lone assassin. This
    begs the question of why believers seem stuck in 1964 - virtually
    NEVER addressing the evidence not known by the Warren Commission.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans accept a conspiracy in this
    case. http://22november1963.org.uk/what-do-people-think-about-the-jfk-assassination.html
    So will these facts change the minds of our forum's believers? Of
    course not. But does this scenario meet, and even EXCEED Chickenshit's challenge? Of course it does.

    Now, I know that Chickenshit will whine that there's no mention of
    JFK's body being stolen, or some other tidbit that he wants to see.
    He'll whine that I didn't account for each bullet fired... he'll whine
    about any number of things that he thinks the Warren Commission
    explained that I didn't.

    But what he **WON'T** do is credibly refute anything I've stated in my
    scenario - and unless he can refute A MAJORITY of this information -
    the Warren Commission has lost.

    For once it's demonstrated that the EVIDENCE ITSELF has been altered
    and that the Warren Commission LIED about their evidence - nothing
    else needs to be done. My scenario stands until Chickenshit can
    *CREDIBLY* refute it by responding POINT BY POINT, and citation by
    citation.

    Something he'll never do.

    Nor can Huckster Sienzant...

    Just as he's never offered his own scenario... and never will...
    Chickenshit's a coward who can't answer HIS OWN CHALLENGE, as I've
    clearly done here.

    And if Chickenshit DARES to offer something he thinks the Warren
    Commission explained better than I - I can QUICKLY demolish it - and Chickenshit knows this. So does Huckster - hence his silence...

    Chickenshit made this challenge hoping that no-one would actually
    take the time to post a reasonable scenario - and he knew that no
    matter *WHAT* someone posted, he would be able to criticize it -
    because he will NEVER post his example of a scenario that fulfills his challenge.

    Chickenshit already lost when he refused repeatedly to post a scenario
    that he *KNEW* beyond all doubt I could match in length, detail, and
    number of citations.

    CHICKENSHIT HAS ALREADY LOST... and I'm simply driving the nail into
    the coffin with this 20,000+ word reply to his challenge.

    And if Chickenshit cannot refute, STATEMENT BY STATEMENT - my
    scenario, then he's ADMITTING that he lost.

    Just as Huckster Sienzant lost.

    Just as Chuckles lost.

    Just as Davy Von Penis lost.

    (As well as all the killfiled trolls...)

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Wed Jan 31 08:18:13 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:23:49 -0800, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    My Scenario - The Conclusion

    First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do >precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,
    and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done
    so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. I then
    demonstrated that the Warren Commission refused to investigate prior >assassination attempts that would have shed light on the conspiracy to
    murder the President. I then showed that the Warren Commission had
    their "conclusions" in written form before they interviewed a single >witness... and that the Commission clearly indicated a desire **NOT**
    to hold a real investigation. I then demonstrated that the evidence
    from just moments after the shooting strongly supported a shooter at
    the Grassy Knoll. I went on to show that the original medical opinion
    within hours was for a frontal shot striking JFK. I then demonstrated
    that believers deny what the Commission stated about when Connally is
    seen reacting to a shot in the film, yet refuse to *explain* that
    reaction. I demonstrated that the Warren Commission provably lied
    about which shot struck Connally. I then demonstrated that there's
    *no* evidence for transit - which is necessary to an SBT. I then
    demonstrated that the Edgewood Arsenal tests contradicted the Warren >Commission's theory, and they simply ignored those facts. I then
    covered evidence tending to show that the Autopsy Report isn't the
    original one. I then demonstrated that CE-399 doesn't have any valid
    chain of custody. In the last three posts, I showed how one of the
    assassins was clearly identified by numerous witnesses as wearing a
    white shirt, and was arrested - but wasn't Oswald. In the last two
    posts, I've pointed out the evidence for fraudulent alteration of the
    medical evidence. The last post showed provable alteration of an
    original FBI signed & dated report, as well as the problems with the
    alleged "paper bag." I then showed the problems of the BOH photo, and
    the scientific evidence for a frontal shot. I posted the famous 16
    Smoking Guns - unanswered by any believer.


    So what is the scenario - boiled down into a few easily read
    paragraphs?

    There were multiple attempts on JFK's life in 1963, as I've cited for,
    all within a few weeks of each other - and the one in Dallas
    succeeded. It was a simple matter of having a security stand-down by
    the Secret Service - multiple assassins in Dealey Plaza, and a
    cover-up to conceal these facts by a Commission dedicated to a lone
    assassin scenario before they took any testimony at all. That this >assassination was done by those connected with government is shown by
    the fact that only those in government had the power to do what was
    provably done, both before the assassination, and afterward.

    This explanation better fits the known evidence, evidence that was
    either ignored or lied about by the Warren Commission - AS I HAVE
    PROVEN ABOVE - and thus is a better explanation of the facts that put
    forth by the Warren Commission.

    And although it's certainly possible that Lee Harvey Oswald was a
    member of that conspiracy, the evidence far better supports that he
    was the designated patsy for the crime... something he himself
    realized and stated. That the Warren Commission simply ignored or lied
    about any evidence that didn't lead to Oswald shows that the truth
    wasn't the goal of the Warren Commission.

    It's worth noting that the *LAST* official investigation agrees that a >conspiracy better fits the known evidence than a lone assassin. This
    begs the question of why believers seem stuck in 1964 - virtually
    NEVER addressing the evidence not known by the Warren Commission.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans accept a conspiracy in this
    case. >http://22november1963.org.uk/what-do-people-think-about-the-jfk-assassination.html
    So will these facts change the minds of our forum's believers? Of
    course not. But does this scenario meet, and even EXCEED Chickenshit's >challenge? Of course it does.

    Now, I know that Chickenshit will whine that there's no mention of
    JFK's body being stolen, or some other tidbit that he wants to see.
    He'll whine that I didn't account for each bullet fired... he'll whine
    about any number of things that he thinks the Warren Commission
    explained that I didn't.

    But what he **WON'T** do is credibly refute anything I've stated in my >scenario - and unless he can refute A MAJORITY of this information -
    the Warren Commission has lost.

    For once it's demonstrated that the EVIDENCE ITSELF has been altered
    and that the Warren Commission LIED about their evidence - nothing
    else needs to be done. My scenario stands until Chickenshit can
    *CREDIBLY* refute it by responding POINT BY POINT, and citation by
    citation.

    Something he'll never do.

    Nor can Huckster Sienzant...

    Just as he's never offered his own scenario... and never will... >Chickenshit's a coward who can't answer HIS OWN CHALLENGE, as I've
    clearly done here.

    And if Chickenshit DARES to offer something he thinks the Warren
    Commission explained better than I - I can QUICKLY demolish it - and >Chickenshit knows this. So does Huckster - hence his silence...

    Chickenshit made this challenge hoping that no-one would actually
    take the time to post a reasonable scenario - and he knew that no
    matter *WHAT* someone posted, he would be able to criticize it -
    because he will NEVER post his example of a scenario that fulfills his >challenge.

    Chickenshit already lost when he refused repeatedly to post a scenario
    that he *KNEW* beyond all doubt I could match in length, detail, and
    number of citations.

    CHICKENSHIT HAS ALREADY LOST... and I'm simply driving the nail into
    the coffin with this 20,000+ word reply to his challenge.

    And if Chickenshit cannot refute, STATEMENT BY STATEMENT - my
    scenario, then he's ADMITTING that he lost.

    Just as Huckster Sienzant lost.

    Just as Chuckles lost.

    Just as Davy Von Penis lost.

    (As well as all the killfiled trolls...)


    Another perfect prediction... Huckster read this, and ran screaming
    for the hills...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 1 06:29:50 2024
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 09:46:24 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:18:34?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:23:49 -0800, Ben Holmes
    <Ad...@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:
    My Scenario - The Conclusion

    First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do >>>precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,
    and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done
    so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. I then >>>demonstrated that the Warren Commission refused to investigate prior >>>assassination attempts that would have shed light on the conspiracy to >>>murder the President. I then showed that the Warren Commission had
    their "conclusions" in written form before they interviewed a single >>>witness... and that the Commission clearly indicated a desire **NOT**
    to hold a real investigation. I then demonstrated that the evidence
    from just moments after the shooting strongly supported a shooter at
    the Grassy Knoll. I went on to show that the original medical opinion >>>within hours was for a frontal shot striking JFK. I then demonstrated >>>that believers deny what the Commission stated about when Connally is >>>seen reacting to a shot in the film, yet refuse to *explain* that >>>reaction. I demonstrated that the Warren Commission provably lied
    about which shot struck Connally. I then demonstrated that there's
    *no* evidence for transit - which is necessary to an SBT. I then >>>demonstrated that the Edgewood Arsenal tests contradicted the Warren >>>Commission's theory, and they simply ignored those facts. I then
    covered evidence tending to show that the Autopsy Report isn't the >>>original one. I then demonstrated that CE-399 doesn't have any valid >>>chain of custody. In the last three posts, I showed how one of the >>>assassins was clearly identified by numerous witnesses as wearing a
    white shirt, and was arrested - but wasn't Oswald. In the last two
    posts, I've pointed out the evidence for fraudulent alteration of the >>>medical evidence. The last post showed provable alteration of an
    original FBI signed & dated report, as well as the problems with the >>>alleged "paper bag." I then showed the problems of the BOH photo, and
    the scientific evidence for a frontal shot. I posted the famous 16 >>>Smoking Guns - unanswered by any believer.


    So what is the scenario - boiled down into a few easily read
    paragraphs?

    There were multiple attempts on JFK's life in 1963, as I've cited for, >>>all within a few weeks of each other - and the one in Dallas
    succeeded. It was a simple matter of having a security stand-down by
    the Secret Service - multiple assassins in Dealey Plaza, and a
    cover-up to conceal these facts by a Commission dedicated to a lone >>>assassin scenario before they took any testimony at all. That this >>>assassination was done by those connected with government is shown by
    the fact that only those in government had the power to do what was >>>provably done, both before the assassination, and afterward.

    This explanation better fits the known evidence, evidence that was
    either ignored or lied about by the Warren Commission - AS I HAVE
    PROVEN ABOVE - and thus is a better explanation of the facts that put >>>forth by the Warren Commission.

    And although it's certainly possible that Lee Harvey Oswald was a
    member of that conspiracy, the evidence far better supports that he
    was the designated patsy for the crime... something he himself
    realized and stated. That the Warren Commission simply ignored or lied >>>about any evidence that didn't lead to Oswald shows that the truth
    wasn't the goal of the Warren Commission.

    It's worth noting that the *LAST* official investigation agrees that a >>>conspiracy better fits the known evidence than a lone assassin. This
    begs the question of why believers seem stuck in 1964 - virtually
    NEVER addressing the evidence not known by the Warren Commission.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans accept a conspiracy in this
    case. >>>http://22november1963.org.uk/what-do-people-think-about-the-jfk-assassination.html
    So will these facts change the minds of our forum's believers? Of
    course not. But does this scenario meet, and even EXCEED Chickenshit's >>>challenge? Of course it does.

    Now, I know that Chickenshit will whine that there's no mention of
    JFK's body being stolen, or some other tidbit that he wants to see.
    He'll whine that I didn't account for each bullet fired... he'll whine >>>about any number of things that he thinks the Warren Commission
    explained that I didn't.

    But what he **WON'T** do is credibly refute anything I've stated in my >>>scenario - and unless he can refute A MAJORITY of this information -
    the Warren Commission has lost.

    For once it's demonstrated that the EVIDENCE ITSELF has been altered
    and that the Warren Commission LIED about their evidence - nothing
    else needs to be done. My scenario stands until Chickenshit can >>>*CREDIBLY* refute it by responding POINT BY POINT, and citation by >>>citation.

    Something he'll never do.

    Nor can Huckster Sienzant...

    Just as he's never offered his own scenario... and never will... >>>Chickenshit's a coward who can't answer HIS OWN CHALLENGE, as I've >>>clearly done here.

    And if Chickenshit DARES to offer something he thinks the Warren >>>Commission explained better than I - I can QUICKLY demolish it - and >>>Chickenshit knows this. So does Huckster - hence his silence...

    Chickenshit made this challenge hoping that no-one would actually
    take the time to post a reasonable scenario - and he knew that no
    matter *WHAT* someone posted, he would be able to criticize it -
    because he will NEVER post his example of a scenario that fulfills his >>>challenge.

    Chickenshit already lost when he refused repeatedly to post a scenario >>>that he *KNEW* beyond all doubt I could match in length, detail, and >>>number of citations.

    CHICKENSHIT HAS ALREADY LOST... and I'm simply driving the nail into
    the coffin with this 20,000+ word reply to his challenge.

    And if Chickenshit cannot refute, STATEMENT BY STATEMENT - my
    scenario, then he's ADMITTING that he lost.

    Just as Huckster Sienzant lost.

    Just as Chuckles lost.

    Just as Davy Von Penis lost.

    (As well as all the killfiled trolls...)
    Chickenshit admits he lost.

    Your fringe reset has been addressed many times.

    Yet you can't cite *ONE* of them.

    Much like you can't answer this:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 09:24:35 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 08:58:49 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 12:46:25?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    Your fringe reset has been addressed many times.

    Prove it.


    A simple cite to where it's been done before would be the proof... but
    we'll never see such a cite.


    You weren`t challenged to lump together your favorite talking points.

    Prove it.


    He can't.


    The WC put an explanation of this event on the table for consideration.

    Prove it.


    Chickenshit can't.

    Indeed, polling shows that he's failed.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 1 11:36:52 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:32:29 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 11:19:58 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:30:20 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 9:23:55?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
    My Scenario - The Conclusion

    First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do
    precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,
    and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer.

    Strawman.


    You should look up what a "strawman" is. This is a declarative
    assertion that *I CAN* match anything that a believer can post.

    So no, it's not a "strawman"... and coming from someone who REFUSES to
    post a scenario, it's quite cowardly as well.


    I've done so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. I then
    demonstrated that the Warren Commission refused to investigate prior
    assassination attempts that would have shed light on the conspiracy to
    murder the President.

    Begging the question.


    No stupid, I stated a FACT. One that you can't refute. Calling it
    "begging the question" doesn't change the fact that the WC never
    investigated the previous attempts on JFK's life.


    Team Oswald...


    Logical fallacy deleted.


    I then showed that the Warren Commission had their "conclusions"
    in written form before they interviewed a single witness...

    In the sane world of 1963/1964, where math wasn't racist and a boy
    was a boy and a girl was a girl, there was no doubt Oswald killed JFK, wounded JBC, and killed JDT.


    Polling shows that you're lying.

    Why don't you stop with the logical fallacies, and try to support your
    empty claims with evidence?


    The question revolved around how it happened and whether Oswald had
    any confederates or was put up to it.


    Begging the question.


    I deleted the rest of your logical fallacies.


    and that the Commission clearly indicated a desire **NOT**
    to hold a real investigation. I then demonstrated that the evidence
    from just moments after the shooting strongly supported a shooter at
    the Grassy Knoll.

    There is no strong evidence for anything other than shots from above
    and behind. This was true then and true today and will be true 100
    years from now.


    Both a logical fallacy, AND an outright lie.


    I went on to show that the original medical opinion
    within hours was for a frontal shot striking JFK.

    Opinion. The autopsy showed otherwise.


    The Autopsy was opinion... and it was **NOT** aware of the neck wound
    as anything other than a trach wound.


    I then demonstrated
    that believers deny what the Commission stated about when Connally is
    seen reacting to a shot in the film, yet refuse to *explain* that
    reaction. I demonstrated that the Warren Commission provably lied
    about which shot struck Connally.

    Lied or off by a fraction of a second in light of newer analysis over the decades?


    Lied. The WC dealt with frame numbers just as we do today.


    And you think the Z film was altered, so why call their conclusions a lie if they're looking at an altered film?


    Because **YOU** have no options when you believe the film to be
    authentic.


    I then demonstrated that there's
    *no* evidence for transit - which is necessary to an SBT.

    There is evidence of a transit, but you don't accept it. You do you.


    Begging the question. Chuckles is TERRIFIED of citing this
    "evidence," or more likely... doesn't know what it is...



    I then demonstrated that the Edgewood Arsenal tests contradicted the Warren >> Commission's theory, and they simply ignored those facts. I then
    covered evidence tending to show that the Autopsy Report isn't the
    original one.


    Ad hominem deleted.

    Chuckles couldn't refute my synopsis anymore than he could refute the
    actual argument made...


    I then demonstrated that CE-399 doesn't have any valid
    chain of custody.

    Endlessly discussed here, and no I'm not going to sift through the
    hundreds of threads and posts that you'll say don't "prove you wrong"
    to your unique satisfaction.


    Yet another begging the question fallacy. Chuckles can't refute what
    I said...


    In the last three posts, I showed how one of the
    assassins was clearly identified by numerous witnesses as wearing a
    white shirt, and was arrested - but wasn't Oswald. In the last two
    posts, I've pointed out the evidence for fraudulent alteration of the
    medical evidence.

    Addressed over and over.


    Yet you'll never cite even *ONE* response that refuted what the
    evidence pointed out.

    You can't.


    The last post showed provable alteration of an
    original FBI signed & dated report, as well as the problems with the
    alleged "paper bag." I then showed the problems of the BOH photo, and
    the scientific evidence for a frontal shot. I posted the famous 16
    Smoking Guns - unanswered by any believer.


    ROTFLMAO!!! Chuckles had nothing to say!!!


    So what is the scenario - boiled down into a few easily read
    paragraphs?

    There were multiple attempts on JFK's life in 1963, as I've cited for,
    all within a few weeks of each other - and the one in Dallas
    succeeded. It was a simple matter of having a security stand-down by
    the Secret Service - multiple assassins in Dealey Plaza, and a
    cover-up to conceal these facts by a Commission dedicated to a lone
    assassin scenario before they took any testimony at all. That this
    assassination was done by those connected with government is shown by
    the fact that only those in government had the power to do what was
    provably done, both before the assassination, and afterward.

    This explanation better fits the known evidence, evidence that was
    either ignored or lied about by the Warren Commission - AS I HAVE
    PROVEN ABOVE - and thus is a better explanation of the facts that put
    forth by the Warren Commission.

    And although it's certainly possible that Lee Harvey Oswald was a
    member of that conspiracy, the evidence far better supports that he
    was the designated patsy for the crime... something he himself
    realized and stated. That the Warren Commission simply ignored or lied
    about any evidence that didn't lead to Oswald shows that the truth
    wasn't the goal of the Warren Commission.

    It's worth noting that the *LAST* official investigation agrees that a
    conspiracy better fits the known evidence than a lone assassin. This
    begs the question of why believers seem stuck in 1964 - virtually
    NEVER addressing the evidence not known by the Warren Commission.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans accept a conspiracy in this
    case.
    http://22november1963.org.uk/what-do-people-think-about-the-jfk-assassination.html
    So will these facts change the minds of our forum's believers? Of
    course not. But does this scenario meet, and even EXCEED Chickenshit's
    challenge? Of course it does.

    Now, I know that Chickenshit will whine that there's no mention of
    JFK's body being stolen, or some other tidbit that he wants to see.
    He'll whine that I didn't account for each bullet fired... he'll whine
    about any number of things that he thinks the Warren Commission
    explained that I didn't.

    But what he **WON'T** do is credibly refute anything I've stated in my
    scenario - and unless he can refute A MAJORITY of this information -
    the Warren Commission has lost.

    For once it's demonstrated that the EVIDENCE ITSELF has been altered
    and that the Warren Commission LIED about their evidence - nothing
    else needs to be done. My scenario stands until Chickenshit can
    *CREDIBLY* refute it by responding POINT BY POINT, and citation by
    citation.

    Something he'll never do.

    Nor can Huckster Sienzant...

    Just as he's never offered his own scenario... and never will...
    Chickenshit's a coward who can't answer HIS OWN CHALLENGE, as I've
    clearly done here.

    And if Chickenshit DARES to offer something he thinks the Warren
    Commission explained better than I - I can QUICKLY demolish it - and
    Chickenshit knows this. So does Huckster - hence his silence...

    Chickenshit made this challenge hoping that no-one would actually
    take the time to post a reasonable scenario - and he knew that no
    matter *WHAT* someone posted, he would be able to criticize it -
    because he will NEVER post his example of a scenario that fulfills his
    challenge.

    Chickenshit already lost when he refused repeatedly to post a scenario
    that he *KNEW* beyond all doubt I could match in length, detail, and
    number of citations.

    CHICKENSHIT HAS ALREADY LOST... and I'm simply driving the nail into
    the coffin with this 20,000+ word reply to his challenge.

    And if Chickenshit cannot refute, STATEMENT BY STATEMENT - my
    scenario, then he's ADMITTING that he lost.

    Just as Huckster Sienzant lost.

    Just as Chuckles lost.

    Just as Davy Von Penis lost.

    (As well as all the killfiled trolls...)

    Yawn. Same old Ben. All hat, no cattle.

    Yawn... same old Cowardice... oops, I meant "Chuckles."

    Not a single relevant refutation in sight... only vague logical
    fallacies...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 1 13:45:02 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:34:53 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 13:45:02 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:33:14 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:30:22?PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    < his usual mental tirade >

    Another coward afraid to look at the evidence. >https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/30098-why-the-governments-case-against-oswald-is-bs-conclusion/?do=findComment&comment=527075

    Chuckles is probably the most ignorant believer in this forum - he
    literally doesn't know where Dealey Plaza is located. Or the
    difference between Bethesda & Parkland.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 14:59:07 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:44:59 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:33:16?PM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:30:22?PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    < his usual mental tirade >

    Another coward afraid to look at the evidence.
    https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/30098-why-the-governments-case-against-oswald-is-bs-conclusion/?do=findComment&comment=527075


    Logical fallacies & speculations deleted.

    No evidence to answer... no citations... no nothing.

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