• Re: Deception by Omission

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 07:34:28 2024
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 05:42:38 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Jan 29 07:34:28 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 04:00:40 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:26:53?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    They discounted Dougherty’s testimony because he clearly had issues with his speech.

    They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=177

    You seem to be ignoring a large piece of the puzzle. Oswald’s rifle was missing from its normal hiding place in the Paine garage and was recovered from the TSBD shortly after the assassination.

    Give us corroborating evidence that the rifle was in, "its normal hiding place in the Paine garage" before November 22nd.
    Are you suggesting that Oswald knew in March of 1963 that Kennedy would be coming to Dallas ?
    ROFLMAO
    Name the people who saw the rifle in the garage prior to November 22nd.


    This is, of course, speculation piled on top of more speculation.
    There's *NO* evidence proving a rifle was ever in the garage.


    You should be shaking your head at Dougherty’s testimony, and your own inability to explain how Oswald’s rifle got to the sixth floor, if Oswald didn’t bring it in on the morning of the assassination.

    That would require speculation, Hank. You're the expert on that.

    This is why you get no traction with your arguments: They rely on poor witnesses and ignore better witnesses and ignore or discount the hard evidence you can’t explain.

    Speaking of someone who will always, "ignore or discount the hard evidence you can't explain", maybe you'd like to take a stab at this one:

    https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/30098-why-the-governments-case-against-oswald-is-bs-conclusion/?do=findComment&comment=527075

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Mon Jan 29 07:34:28 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 06:14:16 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:00:43?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:26:53?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    They discounted Dougherty’s testimony because he clearly had issues with his speech.
    They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=177

    Gil initially said: “The Commission simply ignored this witness, suppressed his testimony and omitted it from its Report.”
    Gil now says: “They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?”


    Huckster demonstrates that he can't understand what Gil quite plainly
    stated.


    WHAT A MORON!!!


    Do you understand what a logical fallacy is? It appears not.


    You clearly don't. You use them all the time...


    Here's what terrifies you:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Mon Jan 29 08:58:32 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:15:08 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 10:34:35?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 06:14:16 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:00:43?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:26:53?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote: >>>>> They discounted Dougherty’s testimony because he clearly had issues with his speech.
    They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=177

    Gil initially said: “The Commission simply ignored this witness, suppressed his testimony and omitted it from its Report.”
    Gil now says: “They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?”

    Huckster demonstrates that he can't understand what Gil quite plainly
    stated.

    I understand Gil stated they suppressed his testimony, then claimed they cited it.


    No, you clearly *DON'T* understand. WHAT A MORON!!!

    You aren't even *trying* to understand what Gil writes...


    I also understand you deleted ...

    Happy to do so again. Since your cowardice is shown right here:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Jan 29 08:58:32 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:24:31 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 10:34:35?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 06:14:16 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:00:43?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:26:53?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote: >>>>> They discounted Dougherty’s testimony because he clearly had issues with his speech.
    They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=177

    Gil initially said: “The Commission simply ignored this witness, suppressed his testimony and omitted it from its Report.”
    Gil now says: “They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?”

    Huckster demonstrates that he can't understand what Gil quite plainly
    stated.

    Firstly, Hank knows damned well what I was talking about. The Commission ignored Dougherty's testimony that he saw Oswald enter the building without anything in his hands,
    it suppressed it and omitted it from its report. Hank tried to use Dougherty's "issues with his speech" as an excuse to paint him as unreliable, but as I pointed out, they had
    no problem with his "reliability" when it came to using OTHER parts of his testimony.


    No reason to explain yourself - honest people caught what you said the
    first time around.

    And explaining it to a liar is an exercise in futility.


    So Hank's full of shit, as usual.


    Absolutely!


    Secondly, Frazier NEVER testified that he saw Oswald enter the building with a package.

    Hank's ASSUMING that because:
    a. ) he saw Oswald walking toward the building with the package,
    b. ) he saw Oswald standing "at the door" ( 2 H 229 ), and
    c. ) "glanced up" to see the door closing after Oswald had gone through it ( ibid. ).

    Hank can prove me wrong. All he has to do is cite where Frazier said specifically that:

    a. ) he saw Oswald enter the building with a package, or
    b.) that he saw the package in Oswald's hand as he entered the building.

    Volume and page, please.

    Thirdly, Frazier ( the Lone Nutters' eyewitness that Oswald took the rifle to work that day ) said in this video ( that I'm sure they'll refuse to look at )
    that "there was no gun" in the package he saw.
    https://youtu.be/4olEc4xdVB4


    If believers could prove us wrong - they'd cite the evidence. But
    they can't... the evidence supports conspiracy.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Mon Jan 29 10:02:08 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:04:04 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 11:24:32?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 10:34:35?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 06:14:16 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:00:43?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:26:53?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote: >>>>>> They discounted Dougherty’s testimony because he clearly had issues with his speech.
    They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=177

    Gil initially said: “The Commission simply ignored this witness, suppressed his testimony and omitted it from its Report.”
    Gil now says: “They didn't have a problem citing his testimony in their Report, though did they ?”
    Huckster demonstrates that he can't understand what Gil quite plainly
    stated.

    Firstly, Hank knows damned well what I was talking about. The Commission ignored Dougherty's testimony that he saw Oswald enter the building without anything in his hands,
    it suppressed it and omitted it from its report. Hank tried to use Dougherty's "issues with his speech" as an excuse to paint him as unreliable, but as I pointed out, they had
    no problem with his "reliability" when it came to using OTHER parts of his testimony.

    No...

    Notice that when it's explicitly pointed out how Huckster failed to
    understand - he STILL refuses to admit that he lied.

    Of course, we also know Huckster to be a coward:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 11:23:41 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:19:00 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:


    I explained to you ...

    Explain this:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 12:37:04 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 07:23:49 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 05:20:25 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:49:27?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 11:58:37?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    No reason to explain yourself - honest people caught what you said the first time around.

    And explaining it to a liar is an exercise in futility.
    If believers could prove us wrong - they'd cite the evidence. But they can't... the evidence supports conspiracy.
    Anybody who leaves this life believing the Warren Commission's lies and having fought to support those lies, will
    stand before the Judge with the blood of John F. Kennedy on their hands.

    Like the German citizens who turned their neighbors into the Nazis during WW II, these people are collaborators with traitors.
    Having spent their lives trying to suppress the truth, they are as guilty as the people who pulled the triggers and those who covered it up.
    Therefore, the blood of JFK will be on their hands as well.

    You guys have your own little worlds going on.


    Did you notice, Gil - that the only response to your clear and concise statement was a logical fallacy?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Tue Jan 30 07:59:00 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:50:15 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 10:23:54?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Did you notice, Gil - that the only response to your clear and concise statement was a logical fallacy?

    That's all they know.

    It amuses me that Huckster Sienzant first pointed out the many
    differing logical fallacies, while pretending that he could never see
    his own, or those of fellow believers.

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Wed Jan 31 14:38:32 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:58:32 -0800, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Huckster can't handle the truth...

    None of them can.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 31 08:15:06 2024
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 14:38:32 GMT, Gil Jesus <gjjmail120253@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:58:32 -0800, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Huckster can't handle the truth...

    None of them can.


    True... there's very little difference between 'em all. Chuckles is
    the most ignorant of the case evidence, but Chickenshit trails
    narrowly behind.

    Huckster knows the most, and thus has to show the most dishonesty &
    cowardice.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 31 08:18:28 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:26:13 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 10:50:17?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 10:23:54?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Did you notice, Gil - that the only response to your clear and concise statement was a logical fallacy?
    That's all they know.

    That you guys are ...

    Logical fallacy deleted. Cowardice revealed:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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