• The Truth That WCR Believers Run From... #10

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 12 07:42:24 2024
    First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do
    precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,
    and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done
    so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. I then
    demonstrated that the Warren Commission refused to investigate prior assassination attempts that would have shed light on the conspiracy to
    murder the President. I then showed that the Warren Commission had
    their "conclusions" in written form before they interviewed a single
    witness... and that the Commission clearly indicated a desire **NOT**
    to hold a real investigation. I then demonstrated that the evidence
    from just moments after the shooting strongly supported a shooter at
    the Grassy Knoll. I went on to show that the original medical opinion
    within hours was for a frontal shot striking JFK. I then demonstrated
    that believers deny what the Commission stated about when Connally is
    seen reacting to a shot in the film, yet refuse to *explain* that
    reaction. I demonstrated that the Warren Commission provably lied
    about which shot struck Connally. I then demonstrated that there's
    *no* evidence for transit - which is necessary to an SBT.

    In a general way, the tests performed at the Edgewood Arsenal were
    somewhat helpful to the Warren Commission - they showed, for example,
    that the Mannlicher Carcano was powerful enough to have caused the
    injuries to JFK & Connally.

    But more importantly, the trail of fragments seen in JFK's X-rays were
    not duplicated by Edgewood - thus showing that the Mannlicher ammo
    COULD NOT do what was seen in this case. Just as importantly, all the
    bullets fired into ribs and wrist bones were NOTICEABLY more deformed
    than the nearly pristine CE-399. These facts are damaging to the
    theory put forth by the Warren Commission.

    The evidence produced by the Edgewood Arsenal show that CE-399 simply
    could not have produced the effects asserted, and the EVIDENCE shows
    that it was not the original bullet found at Parkland. The citations
    for this statement can be found here: https://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/EvenMoreMagical.htm
    It would not have been difficult for Edgewood to have *properly*
    tested what the Warren Commission alleged happened, cadavers were
    available for testing...

    As Col. Finck testified:
    Mr. SPECTER - With respect to the question of likelihood of Governor
    Connally having been wounded in the back and chest with the same
    bullet which passed through President Kennedy in 385, what reduction
    would there be, if any, in the velocity, considering the relative
    positions of the two men in the automobile as reflected in photograph,
    Exhibit 398?
    Colonel FINCK - Of course, to reach precise figures we would need
    experiments and similar circumstances with the same type ammunition at
    the same distance through two human cadavers, which I did not do.

    But the purpose of Edgewood wasn't to find the truth... and indeed,
    their actual results REFUTE the Warren Commission's theory. So the
    Warren Commission rejected the actual evidence, and simply twisted the
    truth to get what they wanted from expert testimony:

    For after Dr. Oliver testified that the bullets he'd used in shooting
    a wrist were flattened, and looked nothing like CE-399 - Spector
    simply elicited opinions based on assumptions:

    Mr. SPECTER. Do you have an opinion as to whether, in fact, bullet 399
    did cause the wound on the Governor's wrist, assuming if you will that
    it was the missile found on the Governor's stretcher at Parkland
    Hospital?
    Dr. OLIVIER. I believe that it was. That is my feeling.

    Yet the actual tests done by Edgewood refuted this "feeling." http://22nov/22november1963.org.uk/edgewood-arsenal-bullet-tests.html

    The truth, of course, is that CE-399's nearly pristine condition isn't
    possible after passing through two bodies and smashing a rib and a
    wrist. What we have are "just so" stories... told by believers who
    cannot point to an actual test of a Mannlicher Carcano through the
    equivalent of two bodies and a wrist...

    It's clear that the critics conspiracy scenario far better explains
    the facts discovered by Edgewood Arsenal - and by that fact alone
    shows the critics version as better than the Warren Commission's
    version.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Jan 12 10:31:06 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:00:58 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:42:30?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Yet the actual tests done by Edgewood refuted this "feeling."
    http://22nov/22november1963.org.uk/edgewood-arsenal-bullet-tests.html

    The truth, of course, is that CE-399's nearly pristine condition isn't
    possible after passing through two bodies and smashing a rib and a
    wrist. What we have are "just so" stories... told by believers who
    cannot point to an actual test of a Mannlicher Carcano through the
    equivalent of two bodies and a wrist...

    Correct.

    The wounds ballistics testing proved that Commission Exhibit 399 could not have hit both victims.

    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/wounds-ballistics-test.mp4

    Amusingly, the doctors in this case also said the same thing. But
    believers don't believe experts.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Jan 15 07:18:14 2024
    On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:00:51 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:29:49?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
    On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:01:00?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    The wounds ballistics testing proved that Commission Exhibit 399 could not have hit both victims.
    How so?

    It's in the video.
    You always ask questions that are answered in the links.
    But you refuse to click on the links to see the answers.
    So I assume that your questions are stupid questions and you really don't want to see the answer.

    Click the link or don't ask stupid questions. >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/wounds-ballistics-test.mp4

    Chickenshit is unteachable...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 15 07:17:36 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:29:48 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 15 07:18:35 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:28:10 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    You`re unteachable...

    Can't teach what you don't know... such as:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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