• Bugliosi's SBT Refuted - Watch Von Penis Run Away!

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 20 09:38:55 2023
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy
    would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John
    Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458

    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem *first*
    begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little evidence that
    a bullet transited JFK's body. But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis
    true that some CT authors have misrepresented Connally's position
    relative to JFK, but this is hardly the nail in the coffin that
    Bugliosi believes it to be. Particularly since the proponents of the
    SBT need Connally to be turned to his right *MORE THAN HE WAS*.

    "2. A second powerful reason to believe in the validity of the
    single-bullet theory without any reference to the Zapruder film is the
    lack of any physical evidence supporting a second gunman. As has
    already been established, *three* shell casings ejected from Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle were found on the sixth floor of the Book
    Depository Building beneath the southeasternmost window. If, indeed, a
    fourth shot had been fired that day (and hence, there was a second
    assassin), how is it possible that not one person, out of an estimated
    crowd of four to five hundred spectators in Dealey Plaza, saw a second gunman? (e.g., a shell casing, a fourth bullet, a second rifle, etc.)?
    Are we to believe, then, that the second gunman simply vanished into
    thin air? Or is that nonsense? Again the lack of any physical evidence
    of a second gunman, all by itself, is extremely powerful evidence
    supporting the single-bullet theory." Pg 462-463

    Bugliosi doesn't address the known problems with CE543, (the lack of a 'chamber-mark'), nor the fact that the *earliest* evidence shows only
    *two* shells, not three.

    Bugliosi argues that if a second gunman was not seen by anyone, then
    he doesn't exist. A rather silly argument, as he himself must
    certainly know.

    I'm not surprised that he doesn't want to deal with the Z-film, since
    it shows the strongest evidence that the SBT never happened.

    "3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive
    evidence proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound
    in Governor Connally's back was not circular, but oval. ..." Pg 463

    Bugliosi has just proven that JFK had someone *BEHIND* him! Amazing!
    Since the bullet that entered JFK's back left an oval wound, we
    clearly have a "magic bullet" twice... not once.

    "Situated on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper
    border of the scapula there is a 7 x 4 millimeter oval wound."

    That makes JFK's at *least* as 'oval' as the entry wound that Connally sustained: (1.5 x .8mm)

    (Note: Chickenshit is running from this fact right now - and has been
    doing so for weeks...)

    But that (a -triple- body transit), is, of course, simply silly. But
    Bugliosi must believe it. Let's play a simple game... Let's change
    *two* words in Bugliosi's assertion:

    *****************************************************
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    President Kennedy's back was not circular, but oval. *****************************************************

    Hmmm... the underlying evidence is correct, isn't it? So based on the
    assertion that Bugliosi made, he *MUST* accept that JFK had someone
    *BEHIND* him that took a bullet too...

    But serious people will recognize that the hit on Connally was
    tangential, and because of this - WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE AN OVAL ENTRY
    WOUND. For as Dr. Shaw himself noted to the HSCA: "The shape of the
    entrance wound was consistent with a missile striking striking in a
    slightly downward trajectory." But Bugliosi isn't interested in the
    opinion & testimony of the doctor who actually treated this wound.

    (And to think, this is a famous prosecutor - and he can't make
    arguments any better than this???)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then
    there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second
    assassin. Bugliosi's final statement demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    "5. Finally, there's another reason, almost too embarrassingly simple
    to mention, why, independent of all the conclusive reasons set forth
    above, we can almost be certain that the shot that hit Kennedy also
    hit Connally: *no separate bullet was available to hit Connally* ..."

    Considering that one bullet that was fired that day (as even Bugliosi
    will admit) WAS NEVER RECOVERED AT ALL, Bugliosi seems rather silly at
    this point. We know, from the record, that at least one bullet was
    never found, yet, on *that* basis, Bugliosi should be arguing that
    there were only two shots fired... Yet he won't make such a silly
    statement.

    Yet he expects people to follow his fifth "reason", despite the facts.

    Again, we see omission, since you'll search in vain to find anything
    of substance that Chaney related concerning the assassination. We
    *know* that James Chaney was the closest non-limo eyewitness to the
    shooting, and we *know* that he even had a better viewpoint than
    Jackie - who was sitting on the *OTHER* side. What did James Chaney
    say? Unfortunately, the Warren Commission didn't bother to interview
    the closest police eyewitness to the crime, but we do have secondary
    evidence to what Chaney saw:

    Mr. BELIN - What other officers did you talk to and what did they say
    that you remember? Mr. BAKER - I talked to Jim Chaney, and he made the statement that the two shots hit Kennedy first and then the other one
    hit the Governor.

    But you won't find this in Bugliosi's book - it contradicts the theory
    he's attempting to defend. Were Bugliosi attempting to actually be
    honest and thorough, he certainly should have dealt with this problem.

    But remember (especially Toddy and Mark - who chastised me for this
    prediction) that I predicted that Bugliosi tome would omit evidence
    and misrepresent evidence.

    On what basis can Bugliosi defend not telling his readers about James
    Chaney?

    Now, however, we get to the interesting part... Here's what Bugliosi
    has to say on page 464:

    "Each of the above five reasons, alone and by themselves, proves the single-bullet theory *independent* of the Zapruder film. (I would defy
    any conspiracy theorist to come up with even one - much less five -
    logical arguments that are independent of the Zapruder film and
    support the proposition that Kennedy and Connally were hit by separate bullets.)"

    My oh my!! I almost can't *believe* that Bugliosi actually made such a challenge. Perhaps, not being on the Internet, he doesn't understand
    the level of knowledge that some have of the evidence. Now,
    understanding that the SBT was never a particular specialty of mine (I
    much prefer the medical evidence), I'll see what I can come up with.

    (By the way, I'm amused that Bugliosi wants to restrict the use of the
    Z-film ... which is perhaps the strongest evidence of all that the SBT
    is wrong.)

    Here it goes:

    1. The closest police *eyewitness* asserted that separate bullets
    struck JFK and Connally - and despite Bugliosi's wishes, the Zapruder
    film *corroborates* this. (Actually, there's *NO* eyewitness to my
    knowledge that testifies in a manner that would corroborate the SBT)

    2. The SBT *requires* that there was a transit of the bullet through
    JFK - although this was *never* demonstrated. Indeed, efforts were
    made at the autopsy to *PREVENT* this determination. I can only
    presume that there was a reason - and the logical one is to leave
    facts uncovered.

    3. Governor Connally was there, and *HE* asserts that it didn't happen
    this way.

    4. The downward angles through the President and Connally don't match
    up. In fact, once you discard the mythical forward lean of JFK, *if*
    you presumed transit, the bullet trajectory was either flat, or moving *UPWARD*. Connally's angle was *measured* at, as I recall, 25 degrees.
    The SBT *requires* JFK to be leaning quite a bit forward, something
    that the Zapruder film (yes, despite Bugliosi's desire, evidence is
    evidence) does not show.

    5. The doctors involved, particularly after seeing the alleged bullet,
    CE399 - testified that they didn't believe this scenario. Dr. Shaw,
    Dr. Gregory, Dr. Finck, Dr. Humes... all stated that CE399 either
    couldn't have done what it was alleged to have done, or it was highly improbable. So too did one of the ballistics experts, who was simply
    excised from history by the WCR.

    6. Both the FBI and Secret Service believed that all three shots hit
    targets... that is, JFK was hit by two bullets, and Connally was hit
    by a different bullet. Interestingly, this information was hidden by
    the WCR - and you won't find it in the 26 volumes either. (Nor, I
    believe, does Bugliosi reveal this little tidbit. I could be mistaken,
    however, as I've not made it all the way through his book... but at
    the *logical* place to deal with it, when Bugliosi was discussing the
    SBT, it never appears)

    Example:

    "Preliminary Special Dallas Report No. 1, Assassination of the
    President

    At the foot of Elm Street, at a point approximately 200 feet east of
    the Houston Street Triple Underpass, on the approach to the Stemmons
    Freeway, President Kennedy, who was seated on the right rear seat, was
    shot. Immediately thereafter Governor Connally, seated in the right
    jump seat, was shot once. The President was then shot the second
    time." (Archives, CD 87, Dated Nov. 28)

    7. Many other eyewitnesses believed that Connally was hit by a
    separate bullet. As SSID points out on page 63, "The witnesses'
    unanimity on this point was expressed both in newspaper accounts and
    official reports. On November 24 The New York Times reported that
    after President Kennedy was hit by the first bullet, 'the Governor
    turned to see what had happened when he was struck in the back by
    another bullet.' This remained the orthodox account in the press right
    up to the time the Warren Report with it's controversial
    'single-bullet theory' made its debut."

    8. There would have been no need for Ford to verbally "move" the
    location of the back wound, if the facts were all correct and the SBT
    wasn't the desperate theory that it is.

    9. The SBT was so persuasive that almost half of the Commissioners
    didn't believe it. (Russell, Cooper, Boggs) Nor has it proven
    persuasive to those experts who would normally be expected to believe
    it. For example, Dr. Milton Helpern, who was at one time the Chief
    Medical Examiner of New York City... and who has conducted more than
    10,000 autopsies on people killed by bullets. Even Bugliosi would find
    it difficult to label Dr. Helpern a "kook".

    10. The argument must be made (and indeed, is) that Connally, although
    bones were broken, had a delayed reaction, while JFK was reacting
    quite promptly. This argument is also made by Bugliosi, citing
    examples of where people were injured, but didn't realize it until
    later. Such an argument is silly in the face of the damage to
    Connally's body.

    11. Audrey Bell, a nurse that helped in Connally's treatment,
    describes bullet fragments that could not have come from CE399.

    12. The HSCA's trajectory analysis, NOVA's computer simulation, and
    Posner's SBT diagram all assume Connally was rotated to the right by
    some 20-25 degrees in order to get the SBT's horizontal trajectory to
    work, a notion that is plainly refuted by the Zapruder film. Again,
    the current version of the SBT espoused by most lone-gunman theorists
    says the alleged magic-bullet hit occurred at ZZ223-224. In the
    Zapruder film we see Connally's shoulders are facing nearly parallel
    to the roll bar in Z224.

    The roll bar is a fixed horizontal point inside the limousine, and
    thus provides us with an excellent measuring rod. One can look at Z224
    and plainly see that Connally's shoulders are nearly parallel to the
    roll bar, which would not be the case if his torso were rotated 20-25
    degrees to the right. FBI photographic expert Lyndal Shaneyfelt noted
    to the WC that in Z222 Connally is turned only slightly to the right
    and that in the few frames thereafter he is "almost square, straight
    on with the car momentarily":

    Mr. SHANEYFELT. I might say that as--in the motion picture as the car
    comes out from behind the signboard, the Governor is turned slightly
    to his right in this manner. This would be in the first frame, in
    frame 222, he is turned just slightly to his right, and from there on
    he turns almost square, straight on with the car momentarily, and
    there is a jerking motion there at one point in the film about there,
    at which time he starts to turn this way and continues to turn. (5 H
    155)

    Like its supposed bullet, the SBT itself seems to be magical. Even
    when its defenders must admit that a previous key assumption of the
    theory is invalid, the theory is still, somehow, someway, supposed to
    be true. The degree of rotation of Connally's shoulders is a good
    example of the theory's magical ability to adapt. As mentioned,
    previous trajectory analyses assumed Connally was rotated markedly to
    the right, by about 20-25 degrees, when the alleged magic bullet hit
    him. Now, lone-gunman theorists like Todd Vaughan and Dale Myers
    acknowledge that Connally is rotated no more than 15 degrees to the
    right in Z224 (Vaughan says 10 degrees, while Myers says 15 degrees).
    But, somehow, someway, the SBT still supposedly works, according to
    its defenders, even though previous "expert" trajectory studies found
    it essential to assume Connally was rotated markedly to the right when
    the missile struck.

    (A similar feat of magical adaptation can be seen in the magic
    bullet's vertical trajectory. For years WC supporters, based on the
    chief autopsy doctor's Rydberg diagram and on Arlen Specter's
    reenactment of the SBT, assumed the bullet struck at a point that was
    visibly ABOVE the throat wound, AND that the bullet's path from the
    back wound to the throat wound was DOWNWARD. Then, the HSCA came along
    and determined that the back wound was nearly 2 inches lower than
    where it appears in the Rydberg diagram, that the bullet's path
    through the body actually would have been "SLIGHTLY UPWARD," and that
    the tissue beneath the back wound seen in the autopsy photos is
    tunneled UPWARD. But, the SBT's defenders reconsidered the new
    evidence and announced that somehow, someway, the theory's vertical
    trajectory still worked.)

    [#12 has been taken in whole from Mike Griffith's writings - Thanks,
    Mike!]

    13. Dr. Mantik has demonstrated by using CAT scans that a bullet
    striking JFK in the back, and exiting midline of the throat, *had* to
    have gone through the spine. Didn't happen, therefore transit didn't
    happen. And transit, of course, is the *FIRST* prerequisite for the
    SBT.

    14. CE399 had no blood, no fibers, nothing... it was clean of any
    human debris. I find that rather incredible for a bullet that is
    supposed to have done what Bugliosi & the WC/HSCA claims it to have
    done.

    15. FBI Agent James Sibert said he doubted the single-bullet theory
    (SBT) because the back wound was just too low on the back for it to be
    possible (Deposition of James W. Sibert to ARRB, September 11, 1997,
    pp. 161-162).

    Well... I think I got carried away... Bugliosi only challenged someone
    to produce a *single* logical argument, sadly... I've managed only 15.
    (With a little help from my library and Mike Griffith)

    But I'm sure that others could add to this list. Seems that Bugliosi
    is lucky not to be on the Internet - it would be mighty embarrassing
    for him to know that his "challenge" was met so easily.

    And by a non-lawyer...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 07:47:41 2023
    Remember folks - I predicted it!

    Although - to be honest - it's a lot of unanswerable evidence to dump
    on Von Penis at one time.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Fri Dec 22 07:22:17 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:09:37 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:39:01?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
    Bugliosi provides his arguments for the Single Bullet Theory: (With my
    responses...)

    "1. Perhaps the biggest argument the anti-single-bullet-theory
    advocates make is that the alignment of Kennedy's and Connally's
    bodies to each other was such that any bullet passing through Kennedy
    would have had to make a right turn in midair to go on and hit John
    Connally - thus, the 'magic bullet' of conspiracy lore. ..." Pg 458

    This might be Bugliosi's opinion... but I think the problem *first*
    begins with demonstrating transit - there's very little evidence that
    a bullet transited JFK's body. But to deal with Bugliosi's point - tis
    true that some CT authors have misrepresented Connally's position
    relative to JFK, but this is hardly the nail in the coffin that
    Bugliosi believes it to be. Particularly since the proponents of the
    SBT need Connally to be turned to his right *MORE THAN HE WAS*.

    "2. A second powerful reason to believe in the validity of the
    single-bullet theory without any reference to the Zapruder film is the
    lack of any physical evidence supporting a second gunman. As has
    already been established, *three* shell casings ejected from Oswald's
    Mannlicher-Carcano rifle were found on the sixth floor of the Book
    Depository Building beneath the southeasternmost window. If, indeed, a
    fourth shot had been fired that day (and hence, there was a second
    assassin), how is it possible that not one person, out of an estimated
    crowd of four to five hundred spectators in Dealey Plaza, saw a second
    gunman? (e.g., a shell casing, a fourth bullet, a second rifle, etc.)?
    Are we to believe, then, that the second gunman simply vanished into
    thin air? Or is that nonsense? Again the lack of any physical evidence
    of a second gunman, all by itself, is extremely powerful evidence
    supporting the single-bullet theory." Pg 462-463

    Bugliosi doesn't address the known problems with CE543, (the lack of a
    'chamber-mark'), nor the fact that the *earliest* evidence shows only
    *two* shells, not three.

    Bugliosi argues that if a second gunman was not seen by anyone, then
    he doesn't exist. A rather silly argument, as he himself must
    certainly know.

    I'm not surprised that he doesn't want to deal with the Z-film, since
    it shows the strongest evidence that the SBT never happened.

    "3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive
    evidence proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound
    in Governor Connally's back was not circular, but oval. ..." Pg 463

    Bugliosi has just proven that JFK had someone *BEHIND* him! Amazing!
    Since the bullet that entered JFK's back left an oval wound, we
    clearly have a "magic bullet" twice... not once.

    "Situated on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper
    border of the scapula there is a 7 x 4 millimeter oval wound."

    That makes JFK's at *least* as 'oval' as the entry wound that Connally
    sustained: (1.5 x .8mm)

    (Note: Chickenshit is running from this fact right now - and has been
    doing so for weeks...)

    But that (a -triple- body transit), is, of course, simply silly. But
    Bugliosi must believe it. Let's play a simple game... Let's change
    *two* words in Bugliosi's assertion:

    *****************************************************
    3. Another fact that, all by itself, is virtually conclusive evidence
    proving the single-bullet theory is that the entrance wound in
    President Kennedy's back was not circular, but oval.
    *****************************************************

    Hmmm... the underlying evidence is correct, isn't it? So based on the
    assertion that Bugliosi made, he *MUST* accept that JFK had someone
    *BEHIND* him that took a bullet too...

    But serious people will recognize that the hit on Connally was
    tangential, and because of this - WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE AN OVAL ENTRY
    WOUND. For as Dr. Shaw himself noted to the HSCA: "The shape of the
    entrance wound was consistent with a missile striking striking in a
    slightly downward trajectory." But Bugliosi isn't interested in the
    opinion & testimony of the doctor who actually treated this wound.

    (And to think, this is a famous prosecutor - and he can't make
    arguments any better than this???)

    "4. Another reason why we know Connally was hit by the same bullet
    that had struck Kennedy is that the argument that there wasn't enough
    time to fire a second shot from the bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano
    rifle, and hence Connally must have been hit by a second assassin,
    *doesn't go anywhere*. It would only go somewhere if Commission
    Exhibit No. 399, *the bullet that struck Connally* (and which the
    Warren Commission and HSCA concluded had first struck Kennedy), hadn't
    been fired from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.
    Therefore, even if we assume that Commission Exhibit No. 399 did not
    first pass through Kennedy's body, *we still know that it was fired
    from Oswald's rifle, not a different rifle*, and we don't have any
    evidence of a second assassin, only Oswald. Or did Oswald, after
    shooting Kennedy in the back, hand his rifle to a second gunman
    standing beside him and say, 'I just shot Kennedy, now you shoot
    Connally?' " Pg. 463-464

    Bugliosi correctly notes that if a *separate* shot hit Connally, then
    there was a second assassin. He makes the presumption that CE399
    struck JFK ... then Connally - although the evidence that such
    happened just isn't there. Most of the medical and some of the
    ballistic testimony was in disagreement with this scenario.

    Bugliosi also makes the presumption that we "don't have any evidence
    of a second shooter" - which, of course, is a misrepresentation of the
    testimony that we have. There is *indeed* "evidence" of a second
    assassin. Bugliosi's final statement demonstrates (in my opinion, of
    course) the desperation that Bugliosi is feeling...

    "5. Finally, there's another reason, almost too embarrassingly simple
    to mention, why, independent of all the conclusive reasons set forth
    above, we can almost be certain that the shot that hit Kennedy also
    hit Connally: *no separate bullet was available to hit Connally* ..."

    Considering that one bullet that was fired that day (as even Bugliosi
    will admit) WAS NEVER RECOVERED AT ALL, Bugliosi seems rather silly at
    this point. We know, from the record, that at least one bullet was
    never found, yet, on *that* basis, Bugliosi should be arguing that
    there were only two shots fired... Yet he won't make such a silly
    statement.

    Yet he expects people to follow his fifth "reason", despite the facts.

    Again, we see omission, since you'll search in vain to find anything
    of substance that Chaney related concerning the assassination. We
    *know* that James Chaney was the closest non-limo eyewitness to the
    shooting, and we *know* that he even had a better viewpoint than
    Jackie - who was sitting on the *OTHER* side. What did James Chaney
    say? Unfortunately, the Warren Commission didn't bother to interview
    the closest police eyewitness to the crime, but we do have secondary
    evidence to what Chaney saw:

    Mr. BELIN - What other officers did you talk to and what did they say
    that you remember? Mr. BAKER - I talked to Jim Chaney, and he made the
    statement that the two shots hit Kennedy first and then the other one
    hit the Governor.

    But you won't find this in Bugliosi's book - it contradicts the theory
    he's attempting to defend. Were Bugliosi attempting to actually be
    honest and thorough, he certainly should have dealt with this problem.

    But remember (especially Toddy and Mark - who chastised me for this
    prediction) that I predicted that Bugliosi tome would omit evidence
    and misrepresent evidence.

    On what basis can Bugliosi defend not telling his readers about James
    Chaney?

    Now, however, we get to the interesting part... Here's what Bugliosi
    has to say on page 464:

    "Each of the above five reasons, alone and by themselves, proves the
    single-bullet theory *independent* of the Zapruder film. (I would defy
    any conspiracy theorist to come up with even one - much less five -
    logical arguments that are independent of the Zapruder film and
    support the proposition that Kennedy and Connally were hit by separate
    bullets.)"

    My oh my!! I almost can't *believe* that Bugliosi actually made such a
    challenge. Perhaps, not being on the Internet, he doesn't understand
    the level of knowledge that some have of the evidence. Now,
    understanding that the SBT was never a particular specialty of mine (I
    much prefer the medical evidence), I'll see what I can come up with.

    (By the way, I'm amused that Bugliosi wants to restrict the use of the
    Z-film ... which is perhaps the strongest evidence of all that the SBT
    is wrong.)

    Here it goes:

    1. The closest police *eyewitness* asserted that separate bullets
    struck JFK and Connally - and despite Bugliosi's wishes, the Zapruder
    film *corroborates* this. (Actually, there's *NO* eyewitness to my
    knowledge that testifies in a manner that would corroborate the SBT)

    2. The SBT *requires* that there was a transit of the bullet through
    JFK - although this was *never* demonstrated. Indeed, efforts were
    made at the autopsy to *PREVENT* this determination. I can only
    presume that there was a reason - and the logical one is to leave
    facts uncovered.

    3. Governor Connally was there, and *HE* asserts that it didn't happen
    this way.

    4. The downward angles through the President and Connally don't match
    up. In fact, once you discard the mythical forward lean of JFK, *if*
    you presumed transit, the bullet trajectory was either flat, or moving
    *UPWARD*. Connally's angle was *measured* at, as I recall, 25 degrees.
    The SBT *requires* JFK to be leaning quite a bit forward, something
    that the Zapruder film (yes, despite Bugliosi's desire, evidence is
    evidence) does not show.

    5. The doctors involved, particularly after seeing the alleged bullet,
    CE399 - testified that they didn't believe this scenario. Dr. Shaw,
    Dr. Gregory, Dr. Finck, Dr. Humes... all stated that CE399 either
    couldn't have done what it was alleged to have done, or it was highly
    improbable. So too did one of the ballistics experts, who was simply
    excised from history by the WCR.

    6. Both the FBI and Secret Service believed that all three shots hit
    targets... that is, JFK was hit by two bullets, and Connally was hit
    by a different bullet. Interestingly, this information was hidden by
    the WCR - and you won't find it in the 26 volumes either. (Nor, I
    believe, does Bugliosi reveal this little tidbit. I could be mistaken,
    however, as I've not made it all the way through his book... but at
    the *logical* place to deal with it, when Bugliosi was discussing the
    SBT, it never appears)

    Example:

    "Preliminary Special Dallas Report No. 1, Assassination of the
    President

    At the foot of Elm Street, at a point approximately 200 feet east of
    the Houston Street Triple Underpass, on the approach to the Stemmons
    Freeway, President Kennedy, who was seated on the right rear seat, was
    shot. Immediately thereafter Governor Connally, seated in the right
    jump seat, was shot once. The President was then shot the second
    time." (Archives, CD 87, Dated Nov. 28)

    7. Many other eyewitnesses believed that Connally was hit by a
    separate bullet. As SSID points out on page 63, "The witnesses'
    unanimity on this point was expressed both in newspaper accounts and
    official reports. On November 24 The New York Times reported that
    after President Kennedy was hit by the first bullet, 'the Governor
    turned to see what had happened when he was struck in the back by
    another bullet.' This remained the orthodox account in the press right
    up to the time the Warren Report with it's controversial
    'single-bullet theory' made its debut."

    8. There would have been no need for Ford to verbally "move" the
    location of the back wound, if the facts were all correct and the SBT
    wasn't the desperate theory that it is.

    9. The SBT was so persuasive that almost half of the Commissioners
    didn't believe it. (Russell, Cooper, Boggs) Nor has it proven
    persuasive to those experts who would normally be expected to believe
    it. For example, Dr. Milton Helpern, who was at one time the Chief
    Medical Examiner of New York City... and who has conducted more than
    10,000 autopsies on people killed by bullets. Even Bugliosi would find
    it difficult to label Dr. Helpern a "kook".

    10. The argument must be made (and indeed, is) that Connally, although
    bones were broken, had a delayed reaction, while JFK was reacting
    quite promptly. This argument is also made by Bugliosi, citing
    examples of where people were injured, but didn't realize it until
    later. Such an argument is silly in the face of the damage to
    Connally's body.

    11. Audrey Bell, a nurse that helped in Connally's treatment,
    describes bullet fragments that could not have come from CE399.

    12. The HSCA's trajectory analysis, NOVA's computer simulation, and
    Posner's SBT diagram all assume Connally was rotated to the right by
    some 20-25 degrees in order to get the SBT's horizontal trajectory to
    work, a notion that is plainly refuted by the Zapruder film. Again,
    the current version of the SBT espoused by most lone-gunman theorists
    says the alleged magic-bullet hit occurred at ZZ223-224. In the
    Zapruder film we see Connally's shoulders are facing nearly parallel
    to the roll bar in Z224.

    The roll bar is a fixed horizontal point inside the limousine, and
    thus provides us with an excellent measuring rod. One can look at Z224
    and plainly see that Connally's shoulders are nearly parallel to the
    roll bar, which would not be the case if his torso were rotated 20-25
    degrees to the right. FBI photographic expert Lyndal Shaneyfelt noted
    to the WC that in Z222 Connally is turned only slightly to the right
    and that in the few frames thereafter he is "almost square, straight
    on with the car momentarily":

    Mr. SHANEYFELT. I might say that as--in the motion picture as the car
    comes out from behind the signboard, the Governor is turned slightly
    to his right in this manner. This would be in the first frame, in
    frame 222, he is turned just slightly to his right, and from there on
    he turns almost square, straight on with the car momentarily, and
    there is a jerking motion there at one point in the film about there,
    at which time he starts to turn this way and continues to turn. (5 H
    155)

    Like its supposed bullet, the SBT itself seems to be magical. Even
    when its defenders must admit that a previous key assumption of the
    theory is invalid, the theory is still, somehow, someway, supposed to
    be true. The degree of rotation of Connally's shoulders is a good
    example of the theory's magical ability to adapt. As mentioned,
    previous trajectory analyses assumed Connally was rotated markedly to
    the right, by about 20-25 degrees, when the alleged magic bullet hit
    him. Now, lone-gunman theorists like Todd Vaughan and Dale Myers
    acknowledge that Connally is rotated no more than 15 degrees to the
    right in Z224 (Vaughan says 10 degrees, while Myers says 15 degrees).
    But, somehow, someway, the SBT still supposedly works, according to
    its defenders, even though previous "expert" trajectory studies found
    it essential to assume Connally was rotated markedly to the right when
    the missile struck.

    (A similar feat of magical adaptation can be seen in the magic
    bullet's vertical trajectory. For years WC supporters, based on the
    chief autopsy doctor's Rydberg diagram and on Arlen Specter's
    reenactment of the SBT, assumed the bullet struck at a point that was
    visibly ABOVE the throat wound, AND that the bullet's path from the
    back wound to the throat wound was DOWNWARD. Then, the HSCA came along
    and determined that the back wound was nearly 2 inches lower than
    where it appears in the Rydberg diagram, that the bullet's path
    through the body actually would have been "SLIGHTLY UPWARD," and that
    the tissue beneath the back wound seen in the autopsy photos is
    tunneled UPWARD. But, the SBT's defenders reconsidered the new
    evidence and announced that somehow, someway, the theory's vertical
    trajectory still worked.)

    [#12 has been taken in whole from Mike Griffith's writings - Thanks,
    Mike!]

    13. Dr. Mantik has demonstrated by using CAT scans that a bullet
    striking JFK in the back, and exiting midline of the throat, *had* to
    have gone through the spine. Didn't happen, therefore transit didn't
    happen. And transit, of course, is the *FIRST* prerequisite for the
    SBT.

    14. CE399 had no blood, no fibers, nothing... it was clean of any
    human debris. I find that rather incredible for a bullet that is
    supposed to have done what Bugliosi & the WC/HSCA claims it to have
    done.

    15. FBI Agent James Sibert said he doubted the single-bullet theory
    (SBT) because the back wound was just too low on the back for it to be
    possible (Deposition of James W. Sibert to ARRB, September 11, 1997,
    pp. 161-162).

    Well... I think I got carried away... Bugliosi only challenged someone
    to produce a *single* logical argument, sadly... I've managed only 15.
    (With a little help from my library and Mike Griffith)

    But I'm sure that others could add to this list. Seems that Bugliosi
    is lucky not to be on the Internet - it would be mighty embarrassing
    for him to know that his "challenge" was met so easily.

    And by a non-lawyer...


    Fringe reset.

    A "fringe reset" would mean that someone has answered this, refuting
    what I posted with citations & evidence ... sometime in the past.

    Never happened.

    You can't cite any answers to this post.

    You lose!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Wed Dec 27 08:20:06 2023
    On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 07:22:17 -0800, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:09:37 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler ><chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Fringe reset.

    A "fringe reset" would mean that someone has answered this, refuting
    what I posted with citations & evidence ... sometime in the past.

    Never happened.

    You can't cite any answers to this post.

    You lose!


    Chuckles ran...

    As Chuckles does...

    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME!

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