• Re: Two things

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 14 15:20:46 2023
    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 14:46:35 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 07:44:26 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 06:53:07 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 6:33:38?AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:37?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:

    Sports Illustrated understands that Oswald is historically guilty.
    Just think about how much of the taxpayers' money they wasted investigating this crime.
    First the Warren Commission, then the House Select Committee.
    All they had to do was to ask Sports Illustrated who did it.

    All you need to do is visit JFK's own library and museum to see who did it.


    How silly!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 07:44:00 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 06:33:43 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 7:33:38?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:37?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:

    Sports Illustrated understands that Oswald is historically guilty.
    Just think about how much of the taxpayers' money they wasted investigating this crime.
    First the Warren Commission, then the House Select Committee.
    All they had to do was to ask Sports Illustrated who did it.

    All they had to do was ask any intelligent person who is familiar with the evidence who did it.


    In which case, you lose.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 07:45:06 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:00:44 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    But the conspiracy hobbyists will continue to cling to that finding because they have no real evidence anyone other than Oswald was involved.

    Can you define what 'real evidence' is?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to chuckschuyler123@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 07:46:23 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:16:41 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler <chuckschuyler123@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 9:00:46?AM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 9:53:08?AM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 6:33:38?AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:37?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:

    Sports Illustrated understands that Oswald is historically guilty.
    Just think about how much of the taxpayers' money they wasted investigating this crime.
    First the Warren Commission, then the House Select Committee.
    All they had to do was to ask Sports Illustrated who did it.

    Logical fallacies deleted.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 07:47:18 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 06:57:44 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 7:33:38?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:37?PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:

    Sports Illustrated understands that Oswald is historically guilty.
    Just think about how much of the taxpayers' money they wasted investigating this crime.
    First the Warren Commission, then the House Select Committee.
    All they had to do was to ask Sports Illustrated who did it.

    Logical fallacy deleted. Where's Huckster when it's raining logical
    fallacies?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 07:42:47 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:45:41 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    Most people do despite Giltardo's valiant efforts to exonerate his client.


    A statement that will not, and cannot be supported.


    I deleted your sports trivia...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 15 09:17:30 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:57:57 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have to believe that at some point, a truly intelligent person is going to realize how ludicrous the idea that Oswald could be
    innocent truly is. How many ridiculous things does one have to convince themselves of in order to believe Oswald was framed?


    You can't name even *one* "ridiculous" thing and support it.

    This shows how weak your argument is.


    When Gil gets faced with the difficult questions and has to stretch so far to find an answer, at some point he ought to realize
    what he believes is nonsense.


    A meaningless logical fallacy. And one that you can't support.


    The most recent example is his attempt to explain JBC's sudden and rapid arm flip which
    began at the same frame JFK raised his arms and just two frames after the jacket bulge.


    Notice once again, the "lapel flip" has disappeared, nowhere to be
    seen, and Corbutt has no explanation.

    If he was wrong on the "lapel flip" - why should anyone believe him on
    the "jacket bulge?"

    He also presumes a "sudden and rapid" movement, which is merely his speculation.


    He suggested that it was because
    Connally was adjusting his position in his seat.


    That quite credibly explains movement.

    You lose!


    He provided a film clip showing Connally saying he did that but he cut >Connally off in mid sentence, I'm sure because Connally was about to
    tell the interviewer when he made that adjustment.


    Here we see Corbutt speculating, and thinking that it's evidence.

    But, just for the sake of laughing at Corbutt - let's assume that
    Connally *DID* say he was adjusting his position before the shots.

    Can **YOU** explain the movement you made a year ago? And tie it to a
    specific time & place?

    If you can't... you lose.


    Without even seeing the rest of that, I'd gladly bet he said he did it before hearing the first shot which was about 4 seconds
    before the arm flip.


    So your hypothesis is that any "sudden" movements, which are, of
    course, merely "movements" - must have been in response to the SBT,
    thus proving the SBT.

    You clearly can't reason.


    When you have to stretch that far for an explanation,


    ROTFLMAO!!! People move - that's what people do! **ALL THE TIME**

    Your silly efforts to claim that explanations FROM THE PERSON HIMSELF
    is "stretching" ... and "nonsense.' - shows just what a kook you are.


    you ought to consider the real possibility that your beliefs just
    aren't compatible with the evidence.


    Why should Gil "consider" your wild & wacky speculation? Why can't
    **YOU** support it?

    Why can't **YOU** cite the evidece, then explain why it supports your
    faith?

    WHY ARE YOU A COWARD??


    But Gil has invested so much into his argument that Oswald was
    innocent he could never bring himself to admitting he has been
    wrong all these years so he continues to cling to his fantasy.


    It's not "his" argument. This is simply what the evidence shows.

    Gil has met his burden - why can't you? Where's the evidence for all
    these speculative logical fallacies of yours?

    Why can't you make your case?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 12:40:10 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:04:21 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 12:39:24 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:33:15 -0800 (PST), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:


    Notice that Von Penis simply deleted EVERYTHING ... so he's not
    actually in this thread, he's creating a new one.


    Let's take a quick JBC/SBT inventory....

    Here are all the things that are going on with John B. Connally in the Z-Film between frames 224 and 225....

    Flinching of the shoulders.
    Scrunching of the head downward.
    Mouth opening.


    You dare not give a Z-frame for this.


    Eyes closing.
    Lapel flipping.

    So Corbutt simply lied when he claimed a coat "bulge" rather than a
    "lapel flip."

    Good to know.

    Why can't you specifically state this to Corbutt?

    All in just Z224 and Z225 alone.


    Then you're lying.


    And yet, even with all of the above...


    What???

    You've listed *YOUR SPECULATIONS"... then used them as a foundation
    for your beliefs.


    That's a lot of stuff for me to be fooled by, don't you think?

    Who's trying to fool who?


    Watch folks, as Von Penis fails to correct Corbutt on the lapel flip.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 13:39:51 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:40:07 -0800 (PST), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    Reposting what has already been refuted is meaningless.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 13:40:39 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:47:38 -0800 (PST), David Von Pein
    <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote:

    Continuing to repost what has already been refuted is the
    demonstration of your senility.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 15:36:48 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:42:20 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    I use google at the moment. I also tried other news readers and
    didn`t like them. It is quite possible I may stop coming here
    altogether when the change occurs, the place is pretty boring any more anyway.

    Seems like you'll NEVER answer this:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 16:38:12 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:14:21 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 18 07:26:08 2023
    On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 03:59:43 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    My sentiments exactly. Between the spam, the annoying robot checks, and the lack of CTs who are capable of presenting
    lucid arguments for a conspiracy, this place is losing its charm. I think I went about a year hardly posting at all so it's not
    going to be difficult walking away again. Let the crazies post their drivel.

    They already do.

    But you're too cheap to be able to continue doing it when free options disappear.

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