• Re: John Connally's Wrist Wound Bullet Direction Changed In Medical Dia

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:43:39 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 06:23:52 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:02:37?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    That's because the prosectors saw the trail of tissue damage the led from the entry wound on the back directly to the incision in the throat

    Source ?

    You cannot cite for a lie.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:43:10 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 06:02:35 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:31:34?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:26:30?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    < more stupid comments and insults from an idiot >

    Says the guy who doesn't believe the Dallas doctors who SAW the hole in the throat and described it as a wound of entry,
    but believes the autopsists who never saw the hole.

    That's because the prosectors saw the trail of tissue damage the led from the entry wound on the back directly to the
    incision in the throat and weren't as dumb as you.

    Can you name this logical fallacy? How did you distinguish damage
    done by a bullet ENTERING the throat from one that supposedy exited
    the throat?

    What experiments have you conducted? Chuckles would be so ashamed of
    you.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:40:59 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 03:26:28 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 5:44:17?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:07:02?AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    https://postimg.cc/QBWy6xKs

    Just another coincidence? Don't be silly. Connally was also shot from the front.
    True dat.

    The Warren Commission changed Dr. Gregory's descriptions of the wrist wounds to hide the fact that CE 399 was not the bullet that caused them.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/body-diagrams-comparison.png

    Dr. Charles Gregory, who operated on the wrist, testified that the bullet entered on the dorsal side ( back side ) of the wrist and exited the volar side ( palm side ).
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/WC_Vol4_118_119-dr-gregory-wrist-wound.gif

    For this to have been a shot from behind, the back of Connally's hand would have had to have been facing him when he was struck.
    The Zapruder film shows no such position of the wrist.
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/z230.png

    Even the Warren Report had to admit that Dr. Gregory, "observed a linear perforating wound" that was located on " the back of his ( Connally's ) arm" that was, "the point of entry because thread and cloth had been carried into the wound to the region
    of the bone. ( pg. 93 )

    There's no evidence that the bullet entered on the palm side of the wrist and exited the dorsal side as required by the Single Bullshit Theory.

    By changing Dr. Gregory's descriptions, they changed the direction of the bullet that struck the wrist from front-to-rear to rear-to-front.

    Oh, Goody. The assclowns are playing doctor again. How about a cite where the WC states the bullet entered on the palm
    side of the wrist.


    Why are you asking for a WC cite? If you were honest, wouldn't you be
    asking for Dr. Gregory's testimony?


    It is not possible for the bullet that struck Connally's wrist to have come from in front.

    This is, of course, what the medical evidence shows.

    His wrist was struck
    while he was holding his hat in his lap, well below the top of side of the car.


    Your speculation isn't evidence.


    The shot had to come from an elevated
    position and there was no position in front of the limo that would have provided a line of fire into Connally's wrist.

    Other than the Grassy Knoll.


    Do you guys ever think things out before you bother posting them?

    Right back at ya, moron!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:48:07 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 06:03:57 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:11:13?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:59:14?AM UTC-5, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    Don't you understand? The part where Connally turned around and waved, exposing the dorsal side of his wrist to the knoll shooter, was edited out of the Z-film. The intended target was actually Jackie, but the gunman underestimated the hand speed of
    the seasoned politician. The spent bullet came to rest on the back seat, later to be picked up by a guilt-ridden and somewhat intoxicated SS agent.
    Source ?

    The sarcasm seems to have gone right over Giltardo's head.

    Nah - I'm quite sure that Gil knows trolls. He's simply proving your
    cowardice.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:49:03 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 07:04:32 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:31:03?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:03:59?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    The sarcasm seems to have gone right over Giltardo's head.
    Not really.

    Then why did you ask for a source?

    Why are you defending a troll?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:46:55 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 05:11:11 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:59:14?AM UTC-5, Mark Ulrik wrote:
    Don't you understand? The part where Connally turned around and waved, exposing the dorsal side of his wrist to the knoll shooter, was edited out of the Z-film. The intended target was actually Jackie, but the gunman underestimated the hand speed of
    the seasoned politician. The spent bullet came to rest on the back seat, later to be picked up by a guilt-ridden and somewhat intoxicated SS agent.

    Source ?

    Trolls will troll. You can't expect logical and honest debate with
    trolls.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 07:45:32 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 07:02:58 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:23:54?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:02:37?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    That's because the prosectors saw the trail of tissue damage the led from the entry wound on the back directly to the incision in the throat
    Source ?

    I gave you the source in another thread, Giltardo. Did you bother to read it. Here it is again:

    https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/kennedy,%20john_report.pdf

    Can you read or do you need an audio book of it? The description of the trail of tissue damage begins at the last sentence
    on page 4 and continues through to page 6. It's a quick read and very informative.

    Sorry moron, this doesn't supoort what you claim for it. You'll have
    to do better than to cite an Autopsy Report you don't believe.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Fri Dec 8 08:45:47 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 08:31:38 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:22:00?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:02:59?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:

    The description of the trail of tissue damage begins at the last sentence >>> on page 4 and continues through to page 6. It's a quick read and very informative.
    You mean where it says that the missile path, "cannot be easily probed" ?

    I suppose it never entered that pinhead of yours that there are
    other ways of determining a bullet path other than a probe.


    You suppose wrong. Moron, aren't you?


    In this case, they removed the organs from the chest cavity


    It's clear that you read my refutation of your previous lie, but now
    you whine about something that has *NOTHING* to do with a track that
    was ABOVE the organs removed.


    and observed the tissue damage and saw the trail of damage
    that led from the back entrance to the throat exit.


    There you go again, pretending information that you don't have. HOW
    DID *YOU* DETERMINE DIRECTION OF THIS ALLEGED TRACK?

    You can't answer.

    You're a coward.


    You mean where it says that the wound described by Dr. Perry was "presumably of exit " ?

    Yes, when you see an entrance wound, a line of tissue damage leading from that wound, to a wound in the throat, it's safe
    to presume that is where the bullet exited since it was no longer in the body. This isn't rocket science. This is adding 2 + 2
    and presuming the answer is 4.


    Sadly for what limited intelligence you may have, the throat wound was
    an entrance wound. And your alleged "track" must have been going
    UPWARD, since the back wound is lower than the throat wound.


    THAT autopsy report ?

    Where in that autopsy report does it say that they missed the bullet hole in the throat and didn't find out about it until the next day ?

    Christ, do you need everything spelled out for you.


    Nah, we're merely forcing *YOU* to publicly acknowledge facts that we
    already know and understand.

    But you couldn't do it, could you?

    Such a coward!!!

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Sat Dec 9 10:39:48 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 12:18:06 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:54:32?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:31:41?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    I suppose it never entered that pinhead of yours that there are other ways of determining a bullet path other than a probe.
    Source ?

    How about the autopsy report which I have already posted for you twice which explains how the pathologists were able to
    find the bullet track without using a probe.


    No, speculation is not a legitmate medical means of proving anything.
    Never has been, never will be.


    You might want to check Finck's Clay Shaw trial testimony which explains why using a probe can create a false channel in
    soft tissue.


    How did he know this?

    Could it be that using a probe is a standard medical practice?


    The probe could only go in a fraction of an inch. Are we supposed to believe that indicates the bullet only went in a fraction
    of an inch or does it make more sense to believe the bullet traveled much deeper than the probe could go?


    Speculation is not science... nor evidence.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 11 06:47:26 2023
    On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 17:18:31 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 11 07:03:35 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:59:41 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 11 07:04:10 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:15:49 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 11 07:09:32 2023
    On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 14:21:32 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 2:54:03?PM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:
    On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 11:12:58?AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 2:29:59?AM UTC-6, NoTrueFlags Here wrote: >>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:07:02?AM UTC-5, NoTrueFlags Here wrote: >>>>> https://postimg.cc/QBWy6xKs

    Just another coincidence? Don't be silly. Connally was also shot from the front.
    So, when the Secret Service realized that there was a problem with the bullet entering the under side of the wrist, they had a chat with the doctors and changed the entry to the top side of the wrist. And Dr, Gregory went along with that.

    In his 11/22/63 operative report, Gregory put the entry on the dorsal side of the wrist. The only mind that got changed was Shaw's
    Yes. I think that is correct. The Dr. Shaw testimony clarifies that for me. It seems the Secret Service is not guilty on this point. But, Connally's wrist still was shot from the front, as Zapruder frame 322 demonstrates.

    Impossible

    There's another word you don't know the meaning of...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 11 07:10:18 2023
    On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 05:02:32 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    NTF continues to rave.

    Corbutt continues to cry...

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 11 07:21:38 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 12:09:57 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:50:58?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:31:41?AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    In this case, they removed the organs from the chest cavity and observed the tissue damage and saw the trail of damage that led from the back entrance to the throat exit.
    So in other words, I could gut you like a fish, stick a probe up your ass and make it come out your mouth.

    If the probe was long enough, probably so.


    Good to see you agree with facts...


    What would that prove ?

    Nothing, which is why there are better ways of determine a bullet
    track than using a probe.


    Tell that to the medical practice, which routinely uses probes.

    This is a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.


    That your mouth was a wound of exit ?

    I find it creepy you would want to stick a probe up my ass.


    I find it creepy that you'd enjoy such an act.


    And amusingly, you missed the point.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 11 07:21:38 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:08:58 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Dec 11 07:21:38 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 12:38:28 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 3:18:08?PM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    How about the autopsy report which I have already posted for you twice which explains how the pathologists were able to find the bullet track without using a probe.

    How about this ? How abaout that ?
    We're talking about Connally's wrist wound.
    Please try to keep up.

    He can't... you're citing facts.

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