• Corbutt's Word Vomit Answered, Statement By Statement.

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to As Huckster Sienzant on Thu Dec 7 09:07:23 2023
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 04:46:00 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:


    I thought it would be amusing to refute Corbutt's word vomit,
    statement by statement. He will ABSOLUTELY refuse to defend it, thus
    showing the world that he doesn't believe his own nonsense.


    This is where once again, your piss poor reasoning skills betray you.


    As Huckster Sienzant says: When you start with ad hominem we know it
    won't go well for you.


    You look at the assassination bassackwards. Instead of
    looking at the evidence and following it to a logical conclusion, you reverse engineer the process.


    This is a simple logical fallacy. You assert what you need to prove.
    It's also simply a lie on your part.


    You start with the conclusion that there was a conspiracy, a
    coverup, and a framing of Oswald and work backwards from them.


    No critic I know of, including of course, Gil - does that. We all
    started with the WCR. Then dug into the actual evidence that
    contradicts what the WCR claimed for it. Some have started with some
    book, such as Mark Lane or SSID, but *all* have ended up going through
    the WCR, then the actual evidence.


    Anything that is necessary for those things to be true must have
    happened, even if there is no evidence those things happened.


    This is simply a lie. We don't start with a theory... we start with
    the evidence. This explains why most critics are far more
    knowledgeable than most believers on the actual evidence.

    Chuckles: I've said this before, but I'll repeat it: I take NONE of
    this seriously. None of it.

    Billy Clarke: I haven't read the WC and don't intend to. What little I
    have read of it I found one glaring mistake. I assume there are
    others.


    This is just the latest example of your methodology.


    The methodology of critics is to go where the evidence leads.

    Always has been.

    You're simply lying when you suggest otherwise.


    You have accepted as a matter of faith that the bullet wound in JFK's throat was an
    entrance wound.


    No. It's *NOT* a matter of faith. IT'S A MATTER OF THE MEDICAL
    EVIDENCE & TESTIMONY.

    Indeed, the earliest statements were so devastating that Huckster
    Sienzant actually suggested that the press conference transcript had
    been "altered." Then lied about it, and claimed he'd never said this.

    The ones who hold a belief on faith is believers. You don't have any
    medical evidence that the throat wound was an exit - INDEED, THAT IDEA
    CAME *AFTER* THE AUTOPSY WAS OVER!

    Huckster was so upset with the idea that the Parkland doctors had
    within hours stated that the throat wound was an entry, that he simply
    asserted that the transcripts had been altered. This is an example of
    "faith" - and it's on the part of believers, not critics.


    In order to explain why there are two entrance wounds and no exit
    wounds and no bullets in the body, you assume somebody must have
    removed the bullets, even thought there is no evidence of that ever happening.


    The evidence is so strong and overwhelming that the time JFK's body
    arrived at Bethesda frightens you to death.

    Not a *SINGLE* believer has ever answered that question honestly &
    completely.

    You've PERSONALLY run every time the question was asked.

    So you demonstrate an awareness that you are simply telling a lie. You
    *KNOW* there's evidence, and you run from it.

    Both Gil and I have CITED evidence from Dr. Humes, as quoted in the
    Sibert ONeill report, and you've flat REFUSED to accept it.

    You just continue lying in spite of the actual evidence.


    I must have happened or there would still be bullets in the body.


    An incoherent assertion. Presumably, you're agreeing with us that
    bullets were removed from JFK's body during the pre-autopsy autopsy.


    You refuse to take into account how unlikely it would be for a low
    velocity bullet fired from any distance to strike the intended target
    and the fact you need not one but two such bullets.


    You refuse to take into account that making meaningless statements
    doesn't require a response.

    No critic has ever made the assertion that "low velocity" weapons were
    used. That's not a thing. EVERY PROJECTILE WEAPON IN THE WORLD IS
    "LOW VELOCITY" AT SOME DISTANCE.

    Likewise, to rephrase it, every single projectile IN THE WORLD is "low velocity" at some point.

    The idea that bullets must always exit the body is simply a wacky
    unsupported idea of yours that people are going to laugh at.


    You refuse to even entertain the possibility that maybe one of the
    bullet wounds was and entrance and one was an exit.


    I *have* entertained it. I rejected it based on the medical evidence.

    Indeed, many critics have wondered if the back wound, BASED ON IT'S
    SIZE, was not an exit wound. I reject that based on a feature that
    all entry wounds have that exit wounds do not have.

    Can you name this feature that medically differentiates entry from
    exit?


    Since the back wound was provably and entrance, process of
    elimination would dictate the throat wound was an exit.


    Despite your poor grammar, I understood that. Both back wound and
    throat wounds were provably - BASED ON THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE, entry
    wounds. Your "process of elimination" contains a logical fallacy, can
    you figure it out, or shall I tell you?

    Nah, you'll run, as you always do, so I might as well slap you
    again... you're presuming that both wounds were caused by one bullet.
    This logical fallacy is known as "begging the question" - as you're
    asserting what you need to prove.


    You also ignore the fact that after the internal organs were removed at autopsy,


    This is a lie on your part. While some internal organs were removed,
    not all were. And CERTAINLY not the ones you imply below:


    a trail of tissue damage was observed from the entrance wound to
    the contusion on the pleura, to the perforation of the strap muscles,
    to the nick on the trachea, all leading to the incision that was made
    over the bullet wound in the throat.


    And here is your lie. You tied the fact that *SOME* internal organs
    were removed to this supposed trail. Despite the fact that this wound
    was NOT dissected, and they did *NOT* remove the trachea.

    You've merely presumed the direction of damage, and completely failed
    to note that an entering bullet in JFK's throat could nick the
    trachea, and bruise the pleura.

    These are *LIES* on your part.


    You ignore all that because you have already decided that JFK was
    killed by multiple gunman firing from both in front and behind him and
    since a bullet striking JFK in the back and exiting from his throat is incompatible with your preconceived conclusion, you decide that
    couldn't have been what happened.


    You ignore all that because you have already decided that JFK was
    killed by a lone gunman firing from behind him and since a bullet
    striking JFK in the throat and not exiting is incompatible with your preconceived conclusion, you decide that couldn't have been what
    happened.


    It doesn't matter to you that a bullet striking JFK in the back and
    exiting from his throat is the simplest and most straight forward
    explanation for what the medical evidence indicates,


    But it's not. The medical evidence did *NOT* show transit, and the
    MEDICAL evidence is clear that the throat wound was an entry.

    Lies can't convince people, you need to do better!


    you already know JFK was shot from the back AND the front,


    That is indeed what the medical evidence shows.


    so the medical evidence be damned, he was hit in the back and the
    throat and somebody must have removed the two bullets prior
    to the x-rays being taken which showed no bullets in the body.


    And somebody did. Drs. Humes & Boswell. This was done BEFORE any
    X-rays were taken. The proof is simple, Dr. Humes acknowledged the
    surgery that was perfomed, probably as a CYA. You've flat lied
    several times on this issue - and STILL refuse to state when JFK
    arrived at Bethesda.


    Great methodology you have there, Giltardo. That's why 60 years
    later, you still can't figure out a simple case of murder.


    And you end with a logical fallacy. Two of them, actually. Can you
    name them?

    Or will you run away again?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com on Fri Dec 8 07:50:29 2023
    On Thu, 07 Dec 2023 09:07:23 -0800, Ben Holmes
    <Admin@ConspiracyJFKForum.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 04:46:00 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:


    I thought it would be amusing to refute Corbutt's word vomit,
    statement by statement. He will ABSOLUTELY refuse to defend it, thus
    showing the world that he doesn't believe his own nonsense.


    This is where once again, your piss poor reasoning skills betray you.


    As Huckster Sienzant says: When you start with ad hominem we know it
    won't go well for you.


    You look at the assassination bassackwards. Instead of
    looking at the evidence and following it to a logical conclusion, you reverse engineer the process.


    This is a simple logical fallacy. You assert what you need to prove.
    It's also simply a lie on your part.


    You start with the conclusion that there was a conspiracy, a
    coverup, and a framing of Oswald and work backwards from them.


    No critic I know of, including of course, Gil - does that. We all
    started with the WCR. Then dug into the actual evidence that
    contradicts what the WCR claimed for it. Some have started with some
    book, such as Mark Lane or SSID, but *all* have ended up going through
    the WCR, then the actual evidence.


    Anything that is necessary for those things to be true must have
    happened, even if there is no evidence those things happened.


    This is simply a lie. We don't start with a theory... we start with
    the evidence. This explains why most critics are far more
    knowledgeable than most believers on the actual evidence.

    Chuckles: I've said this before, but I'll repeat it: I take NONE of
    this seriously. None of it.

    Billy Clarke: I haven't read the WC and don't intend to. What little I
    have read of it I found one glaring mistake. I assume there are
    others.


    This is just the latest example of your methodology.


    The methodology of critics is to go where the evidence leads.

    Always has been.

    You're simply lying when you suggest otherwise.


    You have accepted as a matter of faith that the bullet wound in JFK's throat was an
    entrance wound.


    No. It's *NOT* a matter of faith. IT'S A MATTER OF THE MEDICAL
    EVIDENCE & TESTIMONY.

    Indeed, the earliest statements were so devastating that Huckster
    Sienzant actually suggested that the press conference transcript had
    been "altered." Then lied about it, and claimed he'd never said this.

    The ones who hold a belief on faith is believers. You don't have any
    medical evidence that the throat wound was an exit - INDEED, THAT IDEA
    CAME *AFTER* THE AUTOPSY WAS OVER!

    Huckster was so upset with the idea that the Parkland doctors had
    within hours stated that the throat wound was an entry, that he simply >asserted that the transcripts had been altered. This is an example of >"faith" - and it's on the part of believers, not critics.


    In order to explain why there are two entrance wounds and no exit
    wounds and no bullets in the body, you assume somebody must have
    removed the bullets, even thought there is no evidence of that ever
    happening.


    The evidence is so strong and overwhelming that the time JFK's body
    arrived at Bethesda frightens you to death.

    Not a *SINGLE* believer has ever answered that question honestly & >completely.

    You've PERSONALLY run every time the question was asked.

    So you demonstrate an awareness that you are simply telling a lie. You
    *KNOW* there's evidence, and you run from it.

    Both Gil and I have CITED evidence from Dr. Humes, as quoted in the
    Sibert ONeill report, and you've flat REFUSED to accept it.

    You just continue lying in spite of the actual evidence.


    I must have happened or there would still be bullets in the body.


    An incoherent assertion. Presumably, you're agreeing with us that
    bullets were removed from JFK's body during the pre-autopsy autopsy.


    You refuse to take into account how unlikely it would be for a low
    velocity bullet fired from any distance to strike the intended target
    and the fact you need not one but two such bullets.


    You refuse to take into account that making meaningless statements
    doesn't require a response.

    No critic has ever made the assertion that "low velocity" weapons were
    used. That's not a thing. EVERY PROJECTILE WEAPON IN THE WORLD IS
    "LOW VELOCITY" AT SOME DISTANCE.

    Likewise, to rephrase it, every single projectile IN THE WORLD is "low >velocity" at some point.

    The idea that bullets must always exit the body is simply a wacky
    unsupported idea of yours that people are going to laugh at.


    You refuse to even entertain the possibility that maybe one of the
    bullet wounds was and entrance and one was an exit.


    I *have* entertained it. I rejected it based on the medical evidence.

    Indeed, many critics have wondered if the back wound, BASED ON IT'S
    SIZE, was not an exit wound. I reject that based on a feature that
    all entry wounds have that exit wounds do not have.

    Can you name this feature that medically differentiates entry from
    exit?


    Since the back wound was provably and entrance, process of
    elimination would dictate the throat wound was an exit.


    Despite your poor grammar, I understood that. Both back wound and
    throat wounds were provably - BASED ON THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE, entry
    wounds. Your "process of elimination" contains a logical fallacy, can
    you figure it out, or shall I tell you?

    Nah, you'll run, as you always do, so I might as well slap you
    again... you're presuming that both wounds were caused by one bullet.
    This logical fallacy is known as "begging the question" - as you're
    asserting what you need to prove.


    You also ignore the fact that after the internal organs were removed at autopsy,


    This is a lie on your part. While some internal organs were removed,
    not all were. And CERTAINLY not the ones you imply below:


    a trail of tissue damage was observed from the entrance wound to
    the contusion on the pleura, to the perforation of the strap muscles,
    to the nick on the trachea, all leading to the incision that was made
    over the bullet wound in the throat.


    And here is your lie. You tied the fact that *SOME* internal organs
    were removed to this supposed trail. Despite the fact that this wound
    was NOT dissected, and they did *NOT* remove the trachea.

    You've merely presumed the direction of damage, and completely failed
    to note that an entering bullet in JFK's throat could nick the
    trachea, and bruise the pleura.

    These are *LIES* on your part.


    You ignore all that because you have already decided that JFK was
    killed by multiple gunman firing from both in front and behind him and
    since a bullet striking JFK in the back and exiting from his throat is
    incompatible with your preconceived conclusion, you decide that
    couldn't have been what happened.


    You ignore all that because you have already decided that JFK was
    killed by a lone gunman firing from behind him and since a bullet
    striking JFK in the throat and not exiting is incompatible with your >preconceived conclusion, you decide that couldn't have been what
    happened.


    It doesn't matter to you that a bullet striking JFK in the back and
    exiting from his throat is the simplest and most straight forward
    explanation for what the medical evidence indicates,


    But it's not. The medical evidence did *NOT* show transit, and the
    MEDICAL evidence is clear that the throat wound was an entry.

    Lies can't convince people, you need to do better!


    you already know JFK was shot from the back AND the front,


    That is indeed what the medical evidence shows.


    so the medical evidence be damned, he was hit in the back and the
    throat and somebody must have removed the two bullets prior
    to the x-rays being taken which showed no bullets in the body.


    And somebody did. Drs. Humes & Boswell. This was done BEFORE any
    X-rays were taken. The proof is simple, Dr. Humes acknowledged the
    surgery that was perfomed, probably as a CYA. You've flat lied
    several times on this issue - and STILL refuse to state when JFK
    arrived at Bethesda.


    Great methodology you have there, Giltardo. That's why 60 years
    later, you still can't figure out a simple case of murder.


    And you end with a logical fallacy. Two of them, actually. Can you
    name them?

    Or will you run away again?

    Corbutt read this, then went to his safe place and started crying. I
    get this information from his mother.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 11 07:18:23 2023
    On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 15:10:27 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirslick@fast.net>
    wrote:

    So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
    "virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

    Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
    that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
    get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

    It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
    where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

    So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

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