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  • Re: More questions for Gil

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 07:37:34 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:31:04 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    Do you deny that there was a flap of skull on the right side of JFK's head that
    was blown open by the headshot?


    Yes.

    And no.

    While it's cerrtainly possible that it existed in Parkland, it's also
    quite reasonable to explain it as part of the pre-autopsy autopsy.
    That would *also* explain why it wasn't seen at Parkland.

    Note: Corbutt has offered *NO* reason why it wasn't seen at Parkland.


    Do you agree that the blowout, or defect as the autopsy report described it, >extended from the back of the head (occipital) along the upper right side
    of the head (parietal and temporal)?


    Yes. What part of the occipital is *NOT* in the back of the head? And
    why has EVERY SINGLE BELIEVER IN THIS FORUM refused repeatedly to
    answer this question?


    Do you have any explanation for why none of the Parkland ER team made any >mention of the blowout along the upper right side of the head?

    Sure. Already given above. You, on the other hand, have refused to
    offer an explanation.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 10:00:09 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:28:15 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:12:28?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 10:37:41?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    While it's cerrtainly possible that it existed in Parkland, it's also
    quite reasonable to explain it as part of the pre-autopsy autopsy.
    That would *also* explain why it wasn't seen at Parkland.
    In 1995, Janie Taylor relayed an allegation told to her by the brother of an African-American orderly who was allegedly present in the autopsy room. Taylor said that, "when the body arrived, many people were forced out of the room and the doctor
    performed some type of mutilation of the THREE bullet punctures to the head area. The doctor was working at a very "hurried" pace and was done within a few minutes, at which point he left the autopsy room." ( ARRB MD 45 )

    Jerrold Custer told the ARRB that he saw the "flap" pictured in the BOH autopsy photo and said that it "looked as if they had sawed it." ( Custer testimony to ARRB, 10-28-97, pg. 96 )
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/BE4_HI.jpg

    Of course, they would never do something like that.

    Except that FBI agent Frank O'Neill told the ARRB that as soon as
    the body was brought into the morgue, he and his partner James Sibert,
    long with Secret Service agents Kellerman and Greer, were asked to
    leave the autopsy room by Humes and Boswell. ( O'Neill testimony to
    the ARRB, 9-12-97, pg. 62 )


    This is supporting evidence for the pre-autopsy autopsy - that
    believers have no answer for. Denial is their only tactic.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 11:13:08 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:51:57 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:28:17?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:12:28?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 10:37:41?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

    While it's cerrtainly possible that it existed in Parkland, it's also
    quite reasonable to explain it as part of the pre-autopsy autopsy.
    That would *also* explain why it wasn't seen at Parkland.
    In 1995, Janie Taylor relayed an allegation told to her by the brother of an African-American orderly who was allegedly present in the autopsy room. Taylor said that, "when the body arrived, many people were forced out of the room and the doctor
    performed some type of mutilation of the THREE bullet punctures to the head area. The doctor was working at a very "hurried" pace and was done within a few minutes, at which point he left the autopsy room." ( ARRB MD 45 )

    Jerrold Custer told the ARRB that he saw the "flap" pictured in the BOH autopsy photo and said that it "looked as if they had sawed it." ( Custer testimony to ARRB, 10-28-97, pg. 96 )
    https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/BE4_HI.jpg

    Of course, they would never do something like that.
    Except that FBI agent Frank O'Neill told the ARRB that as soon as the body was brought into the morgue, he and his partner James Sibert, long with Secret Service agents Kellerman and Greer, were asked to leave the autopsy room by Humes and Boswell. (
    O'Neill testimony to the ARRB, 9-12-97, pg. 62 )

    OK. Let's grade Giltardo using his grading system.

    Number of questions answered: 0
    Number of correct answers: 0
    Percent of questions answered correctly: 0%
    Grade: F

    Of course, Gil recognized that all questions had already been
    answered.

    I deleted the rest of your logical fallacy rant.

    You're clearly and provably a coward who can't handle my answers to
    your questions.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 11:15:49 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:02:28 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:51:59?PM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    < another post full of comments and insults but no evidence >

    The guy who NEVER answers my questions is mad because I won't answer his. >ROFLMAO

    Corbutt's a coward, what do you expect?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 11:20:57 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:19:21 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 2:02:30?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:51:59?PM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    < another post full of comments and insults but no evidence >

    The guy who NEVER answers my questions is mad because I won't answer his.
    ROFLMAO

    It's not that you won't. It's that you can't.

    Proven false by my answers already posted.

    You're a proven liar, aren't you?

    I've deleted the rest of your logical fallacy ranting, since it's
    based on a lie.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 12:46:09 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:41:56 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 2:34:51?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 2:19:23?PM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    It's not that you won't. It's that you can't. You know the answers destroy your narrative so as always, you dodge them.
    No I don't answer your questions because Ben already has.
    Idiot.

    You and your lapdog are both full of shit.

    Prove it.

    But you can't, can you? It's always quite impossible to "prove" lies.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to jecorbett4@gmail.com on Tue Dec 5 08:17:36 2023
    On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 05:34:25 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
    <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

    Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

    Said the head asshole.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 5 08:16:25 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:13:42 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to hsienzant@aol.com on Thu Dec 7 14:56:44 2023
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:28:42 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
    <hsienzant@aol.com> wrote:

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    But Huckster is ALWAYS a coward:

    You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
    description of the *location* of the large head wound.

    Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
    paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

    You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

    Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

    Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

    Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
    and exited the back of his head.

    More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

    Are you proud of yourself?

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to gjjmail1202@gmail.com on Thu Dec 7 16:08:21 2023
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 15:26:16 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
    <gjjmail1202@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:44?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 7:44:47?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 7:25:48?AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:13:44?PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote: >>>>> Name of this orderly person? Name of the brother? She wasn't at liberty to reveal any of this? Who is Janie Taylor and why should anyone believe her?
    She didn't come forward stupid. The ARRB sought HER out.
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=626

    And she never told anyone because she thought that the information was under a secrecy order.
    She had to be advised by the ARRB that the secrecy order had been lifted in 1977 before she talked to them.
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=626
    This story first surfaces 32 years after the assassination, is hearsay twice removed from the supposed source, and you feel it’s worthy of mention?
    Yes I do because it's partially corroborated by someone who was at the autopsy.

    You must not have anything better if you lead with that. And you think this story is credible enough to repeat here?

    Yes I do because it's partially corroborated.
    This is the problem inherent throughout the critical literature.

    Critics ignore the hard evidence, discard the first hand eyewitness accounts, accept second- or third-hand hearsay, and ignore the actual experts and accept non-expert accounts from decades later.
    Janie Taylor gave her testimony to the ARRB on 11/24/95. part of that testimony included the fact that people were asked to leave the autopsy room.
    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=626

    FBI agent Frank O'Neill revealed to the ARRB in Sept. 1997 that he, his partner Sibert, SS agents Kellerman and Greer and non-medical personnel were asked to leave the autopsy room by Drs. Humes and Boswell.
    ( O'Neill testimony to the ARRB 9/12/97, pg. 62; also see ARRB Medical Document 189, pg. 5 )

    Since you're attempting to impeach the credibility of Janie Taylor and/or her sources and since you're the "more knowledgeable" one, maybe you can answer this question for me:

    How did Janie Taylor and/or her sources know that people were asked to leave the autopsy room almost TWO YEARS before Frank O'Neill revealed it to the ARRB ?
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    How is that even applicable here ? How could she have known people were asked to leave the autopsy room if someone who was there didn't tell her ?


    Notice that Huckster simply refused to answer the question you asked.

    He can't. And he can't refute it...

    Huckster's simply a coward, and proves it in almost every post.


    What evidence have you uncovered of her brother’s name?

    It wasn't HER brother, it as the orderly's brother who told her.

    Of the supposed orderly/janitor’s name?
    It's in the document at the link I posted above Hank. If you have to keep asking the same question over and over again, it's because you're not clicking on the link, ala Bud.

    You have this story all fucked up. Did you even read the document ?
    Or are you another gradutae of the John Corbett School of Reading Comprehension ?

    Or more likely - in the "deny everything" camp of believers...

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